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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 13-December 10 Member No.: 19,226 ![]() |
It has recently come up in a game where a character has both the Quality Linguistics and the Adept Ability of Linguistics.
Do they stack so that the character learns the language at rank 3 or is it a skill of 1 augmented to 3. Does the reduction in time from the Quality affect the time it takes for the Adept ability to work. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 ![]() |
Sure, why not?
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 ![]() |
first rule of skill augmentation: maximum augmented value = natural value x 1.5
so you learn a new skill at 1, but the augmented max is still 1. The Linguist quality description does not say this rule is not valid. What you need to do is, learn loads of languages for free and very fast at lvl 1. Then get some Learning Stimulus Nanintes R3 to improve the lvl to 2 and 3 for no cost and to lvl 4 for 1 karma each. Now the augmented max is 6 and the quality works fully. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 ![]() |
Does the linguistic-quality raise the skill or does it „just” increase the dice-pool for the language? I have them both for my char. but I cannot remember.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 ![]() |
it "modifies the skill rating". So my post stands.
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
first rule of skill augmentation: maximum augmented value = natural value x 1.5 1*1.5=1.5. With normal rounding, and the book says nothing about rounding down, that is 2.so you learn a new skill at 1, but the augmented max is still 1. The Linguist quality description does not say this rule is not valid. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 ![]() |
1*1.5=1.5. With normal rounding, and the book says nothing about rounding down, that is 2. yes it does. SR4A p68 SKILL RATINGS: "The maximum natural rating available for a skill is 6, or 7 with the Aptitude quality (p. 90).[...] The maximum modified rating allowed is 1.5 times the natural rating (making 9 the maximum achievable, or 10 with the Aptitude quality)." 7*1.5=10.5=!10 |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 ![]() |
Ahaaaaa....nitpicking...but successfull.^^
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
To continue picking nits, this only says that the maximum is capped at 10 not that for values below 10 you use the rounding down mechanism.
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Do whatever, because language skills have no effect on the game.
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
Except for the Pornomancer abroad.
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 ![]() |
Except for the Pornomancer abroad. Pornomancer doesn't much care if he loses some 5-8 dice from her 50+ dicepool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
Pornomancer doesn't much care if he loses some 5-8 dice from her 50+ dicepool (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Which is why we cap the number of effective hits equal to the rating of the language you are speaking... Native languages are Not Capped, of course. But as Yerameyahu stated, languages do not really mean all that much in game. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,700 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 ![]() |
I was indeed wrong; my apologies. The people saying it is capped are correct; the Learning Stimulus nanites suggestion is a good one.
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,409 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 ![]() |
Do whatever, because language skills have no effect on the game. I feel sorry for you. Your game suffers. I have had PCs stay alive because of language skills, avoid combat, get laid, get information from those who were about to throw one out of a bar, use Commanding Voice in Denver, spend a morning learning Ibo and use Commanding Voice/buy gear/get around in Lagos.... |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
The problems my Players had in San Diego due to Spanish-Only Police... *Shakes Head, Laughing*
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
I feel sorry for you. Your game suffers. I have had PCs stay alive because of language skills, avoid combat, get laid, get information from those who were about to throw one out of a bar, use Commanding Voice in Denver, spend a morning learning Ibo and use Commanding Voice/buy gear/get around in Lagos.... The game really does not suffer, though... It is very easy to get past the limitations on Language, though it costs some money, of course... It is exceptionally easy to be a polyglot in Shadowrun. Just costs you 2500 Nuyen a Language after all. Got a character with over a dozen languages on Chip. Rating 4-5. Really, that is all you need. As for the Linguist Quality/Adept powers. They are a great combination. Quite fun, in fact. Especially with the Learning Stimuluis nanites. In the end, they are cheaper than the Chips. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
Whatever, pbangarth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The number of times your character is faced with unknown languages that they couldn't prepare for in advance (by taking them at chargen, or getting a probably free linguasoft instantly off the matrix) is tiny. It's a rare, nifty trick for the hyperlinguist, if the GM goes out of his way to let him do it.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
The game really does not suffer, though... It is very easy to get past the limitations on Language, though it costs some money, of course... "That's a nice French Linguisoft chip you bought. Too bad it's Parisian French and you're in Quebec. You're stripped naked in front of the whole crowd in the airport and taken into the freezing cold back room for questioning. And they take your chip away, too. Too bad they only speak Quebecois."
It is exceptionally easy to be a polyglot in Shadowrun. Just costs you 2500 Nuyen a Language after all. Got a character with over a dozen languages on Chip. Rating 4-5. Really, that is all you need. |
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Advocatus Diaboli ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 ![]() |
So buy the Quebec one, facrissake. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Literally everything should be at your fingertips, in some form or quality.
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
"That's a nice French Linguisoft chip you bought. Too bad it's Parisian French and you're in Quebec. You're stripped naked in front of the whole crowd in the airport and taken into the freezing cold back room for questioning. And they take your chip away, too. Too bad they only speak Quebecois." Quebecois is not all that hard of a Linguasoft to purchase Canray... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) As Yerameyahu indicated, it is not all that hard to prepare for your expeditions and make sure that you have the appropriate Languages, whether they be chipped or natural. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
So buy the Quebec one, facrissake. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Literally everything should be at your fingertips, in some form or quality. Quebecois is not all that hard of a Linguasoft to purchase Canray... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Just pointing out that you need to KNOW what you're buying. Buy the wrong thing, and you're in trouble.As Yerameyahu indicated, it is not all that hard to prepare for your expeditions and make sure that you have the appropriate Languages, whether they be chipped or natural. Technology is a tool and a crutch at times, do your footwork. |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
Just pointing out that you need to KNOW what you're buying. Buy the wrong thing, and you're in trouble. Technology is a tool and a crutch at times, do your footwork. No Doubt... But it should be trivially easy to ensure you have the correct Linguasoft. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
True enough, but we all know how little research people actually do.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,147 Joined: 2-May 10 Member No.: 18,539 ![]() |
Do whatever, because language skills have no effect on the game. That's like saying that negative qualities have largely no effect on the game. It's supposed to be the GM's job to make sure language skills have an effect in-game, just as it is supposed to be the GM's job not to let negative qualities be free BPs. |
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