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post Aug 31 2011, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (Adarael @ Aug 31 2011, 02:20 PM) *
(Labelmate, for the record, is a trademark like Xerox, and therefore is a proper name and *must* be considered a real word consequently.)

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/labelmate

It's in the dictionary. Clearly you've never heard of the word under the meaning in the dictionary. Willing to bet the majority of the public also doesn't know the word.

What you believe is not necessarily knowledge.
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post Aug 31 2011, 07:46 PM
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post Aug 31 2011, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE (suoq @ Aug 31 2011, 11:46 AM) *
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/labelmate

It's in the dictionary. Clearly you've never heard of the word under the meaning in the dictionary. Willing to bet the majority of the public also doesn't know the word.

What you believe is not necessarily knowledge.


I admit, I am not familiar with this meaning. I don't think I've heard it outside the context of the trademark.

But what I believe is that Labelmate would be a real word regardless of appearing in the dictionary, since it's a proper name. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Which is also true.

Anyway. Back to discussing armor.
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post Aug 31 2011, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 31 2011, 05:41 PM) *
After working tech support, I'm surprised people remember how to breathe and work the "Funny Picture Box That Makes The World Come To Me, And Where I'm Always Right".

How often did distressed people confess to you they deleted the internet?

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No language has ever been pure (not even magic Latin). 'Boni' (however silly and annoying) is equally *valid*; logical etymology is not an argument. Vast numbers of our current words are based on errors, misunderstanding, typos, and so on, including errors in the application of logical etymology! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Not to mention English has strong dialects and no centrally instituted orthography (unlike other multinationally spoken languages like German or French), and hardly any dependable grammatical rules (including plurals). Keeping English pure is a futile effort anyway, even more than in German, or French.

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Edit: if we wanna get correct and say we're speaking latin, bonus has to be bona, as bonus is gendered. Then the plural becomes bonum.

Boni clearly is the most commonly spoken version of Latin, bad Latin. Also, it follows one of the several German plural rules (which hardly any native speaker manages these days, yet we expect poor foreigners to know so they can be naturalised).
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post Aug 31 2011, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Aug 31 2011, 04:29 PM) *
How often did distressed people confess to you they deleted the internet?


Watch this bit and then skip to this bit.
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post Aug 31 2011, 09:36 PM
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Priceless.
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post Aug 31 2011, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Aug 31 2011, 05:36 PM) *
Priceless.


It's my favorite TV show of all time.
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post Aug 31 2011, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 31 2011, 04:26 PM) *
Watch this bit and then skip to this bit.
"Why is no one laughing?"

Because they all have MBAs!
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post Sep 1 2011, 01:18 AM
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To all those that were speaking of words: you guys should listen and call in to this show.
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post Sep 1 2011, 02:48 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 31 2011, 07:24 PM) *
"Why is no one laughing?"

Because they all have MBAs!


You have NO idea. One professor (who teaches MBA students) didn't even know what room he taught in. Once tried to tell me that he was in a room on a floor that didn't exist of a building he wasn't in.
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post Sep 1 2011, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 31 2011, 09:48 PM) *
You have NO idea. One professor (who teaches MBA students) didn't even know what room he taught in. Once tried to tell me that he was in a room on a floor that didn't exist of a building he wasn't in.
I did tech support for over two years, taught most of my teachers how to use computers in High School, and was stuck in one business course in College which taught me all I ever needed to know...

That I never, ever wanted to take another one ever again.
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post Sep 1 2011, 03:21 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 31 2011, 10:51 PM) *
That I never, ever wanted to take another one ever again.


At least you never got to the "Ethics of..." courses. Not that I took them, but a friend did. They're not about having good morals, they're how to go about pinning the blame on someone else so that your company takes as little PR flak as possible.

Oh, and there's one course that they take twice (it's got different numbers, but is essentially the same thing): design a company and simulate its growth for the semester. As a freshman, everyone manages to go bankrupt (just about, anyway, as no one knows what they're doing). As seniors they've learned what it takes to succeed.

My friend made a multi-million dollar company as a freshman. His strategy: "Be WalMart. Sell for less than cost, drive the competition out of business, then once that's done, skyrocket the price."
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post Sep 1 2011, 03:23 AM
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And people wonder how we got into the situation we're currently in economically...
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post Sep 1 2011, 03:37 AM
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Indeed.
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post Sep 1 2011, 05:39 AM
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For the OP I'd go with steampunk line overcoat+pants or shirt for 4/4 armor then level 2 form fitting for another 4/1 armor but still only 6 armor worth of encumbrance. Add in secure tech forearm and shin guards for another 2 impact and you would be at 8/7 armor. Not bad and it would all be fairly subtle. If you have access to the fashion spell you can get by with just that, without it I feel the need for around 3 sets of armor to fit into different situations. High fashion armor doesn't blend to well in the barrens. For 2 backup outfits outside the steampunk, 2 different sets of Victory line heavy armor clothing provide 4/2 so you would lose 2 impact and be at 8/5 if the rest were the same. But you could have Heavy Armor clothing wage slave outfit, heavy armor clothing physical labor outfit. With the steampunk rounding out your fancy side, that would cover most situations.
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post Sep 1 2011, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Sep 1 2011, 12:29 AM) *
How often did distressed people confess to you they deleted the internet?
Pah, "I deleted the internet" is one of the least complex support requests I've encountered. At least the user knows what's wrong, what happened, and the desired result.
Now, when it comes to "I uh... I can't find that thingy, you know, the blue one up there in the upper left corner of my display, do something!", - it gets a little bit funnier. But most users just go "Everything's not working, immediately fix!"
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post Sep 1 2011, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Sep 1 2011, 04:53 PM) *
Pah, "I deleted the internet" is one of the least complex support requests I've encountered. At least the user knows what's wrong, what happened, and the desired result.
Now, when it comes to "I uh... I can't find that thingy, you know, the blue one up there in the upper left corner of my display, do something!", - it gets a little bit funnier. But most users just go "Everything's not working, immediately fix!"



"I...I...it's not working! *click*"

Same guy as the guy who told me he was in a room that couldn't possibly exist (fortunately we knew who it was and what the problem was, as by this point he was having the same issue every week for over a month).
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post Sep 1 2011, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Sep 2 2011, 06:53 AM) *
Pah, "I deleted the internet" is one of the least complex support requests I've encountered. At least the user knows what's wrong, what happened, and the desired result.
... even if what they have said makes no sense and has nothing whatsoever to do with what actually went wrong, what happened, and the desired result.
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post Sep 1 2011, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE (Bodak @ Sep 1 2011, 07:31 PM) *
... even if what they have said makes no sense and has nothing whatsoever to do with what actually went wrong, what happened, and the desired result.


Actually it is pretty clear what the guy did. He deleted his Internet Explorer icon.
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post Sep 1 2011, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Sep 2 2011, 12:41 AM) *
Actually it is pretty clear what the guy did. He deleted his Internet Explorer icon.


That's a pretty big assumption. He COULD be a master hacker who literally deleted the entirety of the internet, then thought a random tech support guy could undo it. You never know!




Hrm.... this sounds like a fun character concept. I want to play a hacker who believes the Matrix is evil, and his goal is to crash the Matrix entirely and free humanity from... wait this sounds familiar...
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post Sep 1 2011, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Sep 2 2011, 09:41 AM) *
Actually it is pretty clear what the guy did. He deleted his Internet Explorer icon.
It sounded to me like he had moved the shortcut to his web-browser to the bin. If that's the case, it isn't deleted; the program it links to isn't deleted either; neither the shortcut nor the program it links to are a global network infrastructure itself, even if they graphically lay out resources stored on such an infrastructure, such as text and image files transferred via http and ftp.

It's like if someone phones you up saying they have destroyed all the roads in the world when all they have actually done is lost the keys to their car that allows them to drive on those roads. They've totally misdiagnosed what's wrong, what happened, and the desired result.
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post Sep 2 2011, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE (Bodak @ Sep 1 2011, 07:59 PM) *
It sounded to me like he had moved the shortcut to his web-browser to the bin.


I did say "icon." 99% of the time the one on the desktop (which is a shortcut).
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post Sep 2 2011, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (Seerow @ Sep 1 2011, 06:43 PM) *
That's a pretty big assumption. He COULD be a master hacker who literally deleted the entirety of the internet, then thought a random tech support guy could undo it. You never know!

Hrm.... this sounds like a fun character concept. I want to play a hacker who believes the Matrix is evil, and his goal is to crash the Matrix entirely and free humanity from... wait this sounds familiar...
No, they wanted to undo the Matrix as it was the shackles that held Loki and start Ragnarok. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Sep 2 2011, 06:17 AM
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QUOTE (Bodak @ Sep 2 2011, 03:59 AM) *
It sounded to me like he had moved the shortcut to his web-browser to the bin. If that's the case, it isn't deleted; the program it links to isn't deleted either; neither the shortcut nor the program it links to are a global network infrastructure itself, even if they graphically lay out resources stored on such an infrastructure, such as text and image files transferred via http and ftp.

It's like if someone phones you up saying they have destroyed all the roads in the world when all they have actually done is lost the keys to their car that allows them to drive on those roads. They've totally misdiagnosed what's wrong, what happened, and the desired result.
Look, users are bad at explaining their problems. They call their Internet Explorer shortcut "the Internet" and their PC "a processor", 90% of them don't know about Ctrl+F, and such.
But diagnosing what is actually happening is not a user's job, at least not for the majority of users. That's what tech support is there for. That's what they (hey, not "we" now!) are paid for. The users care naught for the network infrastructure, what they care about is clicking the familiar-looking shortcut and receiving their pictures of cats with funneh captions (or work-related information, supposedly).
In the given example, the user is at least capable of describing the problem he's experiencing understandably - he is unable to access the internet because he can't find the shortcut he usually clicks for that, and he supposes that it's gone because of his previous actions, - and once you understand what's wrong, actually solving the problem is the easiest part of the job, especially if you can walk over or connect remotely.
The problems are very rarely so clearly described with typical users. "That... uh... thingy you installed... is not working... I can't do my job, the whole company depends on it, fix it fix it fixitfixitfixitfixit!" is a more typical description.
If you don't have a lot of patience, tech support is not a job for you.
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