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 Apr 3 2004, 03:23 PM
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Beetle Eater  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826  |
Hatchlings look like small Wyverns, though they are considered intelligent. However, no Hatchling would be outside the care of their Great unless someone managed to steal one. Adolescents look "a lot" like Wyverns and behave like them too, as in irrationally and dangerously.
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Apr 8 2004, 01:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 283 Joined: 30-September 03 From: Kenmore, NY, USA Member No.: 5,663 |
I have thought after reading Dot6W that Adult Dragons needed to do an astral quest and initiation to change into a great dragon. Which was why it was what I thought the difficult part of the metamorphasis was.
I remember having read that dragons wait and make sure that they are able to make it through this very hard and difficult task. Also Eliohann, from Dragon Hunt, when was he hatched. It has been a while since I've gone over that. But wasn't he supposed to be born just newly hatched when the doctors installed the datajack, and isn't he considered an adult in Dot6W? |
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Apr 8 2004, 01:25 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
are you sure he hatched, in dragon hunt? i thought, when i read the plot synopsis, that he'd been captured.
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Apr 8 2004, 07:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
Are you absolutely sure it's just Great Dragons that can reproduce? Normally, an animal is considered "adult" when it can reproduce.
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Apr 8 2004, 11:58 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Adult dragons DO reproduce. Greats normally do not. However, Greats watch over the eggs and are considered the hatchlings "sire." Actual blood relations are ignored.
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Apr 8 2004, 03:55 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 296 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Usually under a cat Member No.: 864 |
This is true--and it's also true that the hatchling takes on the type of the Great that watches over it, not the dragon who laid the egg. So if a pair of Western dragons were to give their egg clutch to a Great Eastern dragon to watch over, the resulting hatchlings would be of Eastern dragon type. Nobody's said for sure yet whether Greats still CAN reproduce or not (Dragon Viagra, anyone? :) ), but IIRC none of them have done so, at least so far. Oh, and Eliohann didn't hatch in Dragon Hunt. He was captured in a remote area (I can't remember where, but I don't think it was too far from Seattle. Don't have the book handy right now). |
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Apr 8 2004, 04:20 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
<shrug> All-WIngs raised her own hatchlings, though they may have been laid right before she attained Great Dragon status <there was another case of that>.
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Apr 8 2004, 06:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
I think theres a bit SoF were Lofwyr suggests a mating with Hestaby |
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Apr 8 2004, 06:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 296 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Usually under a cat Member No.: 864 |
Yes, that's true--but there's no indication that they went through with it. :)
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Apr 8 2004, 06:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Well i see it as a statement say Greats CAN in fact reproduce,
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Apr 8 2004, 11:41 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
Why? Don't think they night just want to ****? Wasn't Rhonabwy a Great at the time he mated with the Sea Dragon? |
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Apr 9 2004, 12:44 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Indeterminate, as I recall. If the eggs are ready to hatch soon, then it may well be.
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Apr 14 2004, 04:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,118 |
Mating age with dragons is more of a societal custom(and really, who has the time for love when you're tending other peoples' kids, running global conspiracies, and researching beyond the cutting edge of unfathomable magics) than anything else.
I mean, it's not like they age like humans and grow less fertile and physically powerful as the years pass. Dragons age like a human approaching adulthood, but keep maturing in that fashion infinitely, rather than losing muscle mass, capacity to reproduce, etc... beyond a certain critical point in the lifecycle. That much is apparent from Dragons(the Earthdawn PDF sourcebook). |
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May 8 2004, 12:26 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 7-May 04 Member No.: 6,308 |
I was under the impression that only Greats could reproduce. In (I think) Shadows of the Underworld, Masaru was very concerned with keeping his egg safe not just because it was his child, but also because by reproducing he proved his status as a Great.
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May 8 2004, 12:43 AM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Not quite. Adult dragons can mate but by draconic custom they then have to entrust their eggs to be looked after and then raised once they've hatched to a great dragon. The choice of whom you ask to mind your offspring, and whether they accept or not, is fraught with social standing. Some greats are more prestigious than others.
So some dragon had entrusted Masaru with their eggs to raise and someone had waltzed in and stolen them out from under them. Majorly embarassing him and a great insult to dragons in general. |
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Oct 15 2004, 03:26 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
Also, who says the greats don't get an "itch" now and then?
Just because Lowfyr and Hestaby want to rut doesn't mean she'll produce a clutch from the event. |
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Oct 26 2006, 03:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 18-September 06 From: Chicago (CZ) Member No.: 9,422 |
Assuming that dragons do get an "itch" Hestaby is one of the only mentioned females out there besides white Lotus so that means if she gets an itch she could get around. Why would reproduction get in the way of being a great besides the fact there aren't a lot of female greats to begin with?
Would Loffy want anything to do with a younger woman err dragon, even younger than Hestaby? Also it would be cool to figure out the blood lines of dragons regardless of them having a great to "sire" them. I think it made Dukie and ghosty major movers and shakers having to learn from their real mother as well as learn to look out for one another instead of themselves like Loffy. If Loffy or Sirug are "siring" or even reproducing would that be something scary? Would the dragon hunters out there target specific clutches they see as primary or #1 targets? I wonder if the greats are feeling pressured to reproduce. Look at the great Leviathan and her desperations to get some of the eggs back from Hestaby, are the leviathans in short supply? And is the Sea dragon Nessy from the Lockhness in the ireland tir? |
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Oct 26 2006, 08:29 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Loch ness is in Scotland, and the leviathans are in short supply according to DoSW.
That would depend on the hunters I suppose, but there is one instance of a 'hunter', Glasgian Oakforest, going after some eggs. [ Spoiler ] Other female greats: Arleesh Sea Dragon possibly Aden, never made clear The way Sirrug/Usun is described in the ED dragon's book, I'd say his brood would be pretty scary, mostly because of the way he raises them. There will of course be a big deal about Lowfyr or any other great making new eggs, but generally, the great dragon's role is guarding egg clutches until they hatch. I would suggest reading Dragons of the Sixth World, and the ED Book of Dragons, which you can get online. |
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Dec 29 2006, 03:46 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 27-May 05 From: Toulouse, France Member No.: 7,416 |
Well, in fact mating is the actual proof an adult dragon as reached Great Dragon status as it's been said about Masaru. |
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Dec 29 2006, 03:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 27-May 05 From: Toulouse, France Member No.: 7,416 |
You're forgetting Mujaji there. ;) |
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Dec 30 2006, 12:27 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,863 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Thanks, knew I was missing one. Reference BTW for
haven't seen that anywhere, but there are still plenty of books I don't have. most things with great dragons suggest that mating is rare for them. |
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Dec 30 2006, 06:43 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Yeah, I just don't see that as being the case.
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Jan 23 2007, 03:48 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Wellington, KS Member No.: 10,734 |
Who says a great can't do all that and reproduce at the same time? |
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Apr 23 2007, 06:37 AM
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Um, do you own either "The Book of Dragons revised and expanded" or "Dragons of the sixth world"? Both say that upon adulthood dragons are able to mate and lay eggs. It suggests that while Great Dragons can mate they generally don't... Do you have any idea how difficult it would be to keep that many dragon hatchlings/future psychotic wyverns in line? Let alone teach them? You'd have to have a very good personal reason to add your own batch lol. :D |
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Sep 20 2007, 06:13 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 13-September 07 Member No.: 13,241 |
BTW, for those who don´t know the story of "Damon", Kestrel and Ocelot is told on Winterhawk´s site
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