Fomori and Magic Usage, Confused |
Fomori and Magic Usage, Confused |
Sep 16 2011, 01:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 734 Joined: 4-November 09 Member No.: 17,844 |
Ok so it says in the fluff that fomori can use magic as well as being resistant to magic. However they are listed as having arcane arrester in RC which by RAW automatically disallows magic usage.... which is it or has this been errattad?
pg 56 RC Another peculiarity of the fomori metavariant is exposed by British Administrative Bureau statistics which indicate a higher than average incidence of magical talent among the fomorian population (as much as 4% higher). A controlled study undertaken by the Oxford Royal College of Thaumaturgy in 2048, however, indicates that fomori seem to be demonstrably more resistant to spell effects and magical powers than the average metahuman (with the possible exception of gnomes). The mechanisms and reasons (both genetic and evolutionary) for these apparently contradictory traits are still unknown. pg 111 RC Arcane Arrester Cost: 25 BP When affected by a spell (including a critter’s Innate Spells), the character—and she alone—treats Force-based effects (damage, paralysis, etc.) at half (round down) actual strength. Note that the actual Force of the spell is not actually reduced. For instance, a character with Arcane Arrester targeted by a Force 5 spell would resist it as if it were a Force 2 spell, though the spellcaster could still add hits to improve the effect. Arcane Arrester cannot be combined with Magic Resistance (p. 79, SR4). This quality can be taken by characters with a Magic attribute. |
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Sep 16 2011, 01:45 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 10-November 10 From: Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia Member No.: 19,166 |
You have the actual quote there, and claim it says something it doesn't. The last line clearly states characters with a magic attribute CAN take the quality.
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Sep 16 2011, 02:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 734 Joined: 4-November 09 Member No.: 17,844 |
i feel retarded >< wooops
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Sep 16 2011, 04:35 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
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Sep 16 2011, 05:42 PM
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i believe he was thinking of Magic Resistance quality which, if i remember correctly, says it cannot be possessed by an awakened character.
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Sep 16 2011, 05:45 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
But the Adept can get the equivalent as a Power. And the mage don't care since Counterspelling is cheaper and better.
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Sep 16 2011, 05:58 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yup. It is a messy little set of overlapping and duplicate abilities.
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Sep 16 2011, 07:14 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Yup. It is a messy little set of overlapping and duplicate abilities. Which allows a mundane to better resist Magic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Sep 16 2011, 07:29 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
A *set*, TJ. I'm talking about all the abilities together (and Hazing, etc.). I thought that was pretty clear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Magic Resistance is a pretty cruddy one, though. It's the only thing a mundane can get, only at chargen, and it'll probably hurt them as much as it helps. |
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Sep 16 2011, 07:47 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
A *set*, TJ. I'm talking about all the abilities together (and Hazing, etc.). I thought that was pretty clear. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Magic Resistance is a pretty cruddy one, though. It's the only thing a mundane can get, only at chargen, and it'll probably hurt them as much as it helps. Was not all THAT clear. Heh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Besides, Magic Resistance can be acquired in play as well. So it is not all THAT bad of a Quality. Equal to a Counterspelling of 4 (when maxed out), which is pretty good, all things considered. So, you can't voluntarily lower it. So what. |
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Sep 16 2011, 07:53 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Only if the GM waves his magic hands and gives it to you. And yes, it's fine… if you never want a beneficial spell cast on you.
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Sep 16 2011, 08:00 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Only if the GM waves his magic hands and gives it to you. And yes, it's fine… if you never want a beneficial spell cast on you. No Magic Wand Required. You can always work towards it in play. No reason to deny the character advancement in that direction if he so chooses (it is not optimal, to be sure). As for Never having beneficial spells, that is not always the case, you just always resist them. Of course, those that require voluntary subjects, well, yeah, none for them. But lets face it. In the grand scheme of the world, most Non-Awakened would gladly accept the ability to resist spells more easily, as they are not likely to go looking for their benefits in the first place. |
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Sep 16 2011, 08:06 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
You can't just acquire random magical Qualities out of nowhere. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
I agree that mundanes might want it because it's their only option; that's the *problem* I was originally referring to. |
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Sep 16 2011, 08:54 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
You can't just acquire random magical Qualities out of nowhere. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) I agree that mundanes might want it because it's their only option; that's the *problem* I was originally referring to. But you can work towards that goal. It is pretty easy to rationalize after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) True, it is the only option for mundanes, but is that really a problem? I don't think so. |
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Sep 16 2011, 11:01 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 10-November 10 From: Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia Member No.: 19,166 |
But you can work towards that goal. It is pretty easy to rationalize after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) True, it is the only option for mundanes, but is that really a problem? I don't think so. Well, a high willpower and tricking a spirit into servitude with calling can also work (although poorly, and at the cost of other benefits, or great risk) |
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Sep 16 2011, 11:09 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Well, a high willpower and tricking a spirit into servitude with calling can also work (although poorly, and at the cost of other benefits, or great risk) This is an option, complete with its own risks, to be sure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Sep 17 2011, 02:10 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
Or there might be a scientific means to duplicate the ability, of course that would violate the principles of magicrun.
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Sep 17 2011, 02:50 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Or there might be a scientific means to duplicate the ability, of course that would violate the principles of magicrun. I don't know; I always considered Cybering up a valid excuse to purchase Magic Resistance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Sep 17 2011, 04:15 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 10-November 10 From: Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia Member No.: 19,166 |
I don't know; I always considered Cybering up a valid excuse to purchase Magic Resistance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Sounds like a good reason to me. |
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Sep 17 2011, 04:39 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
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