Pixie..., ...playable for my GM |
Pixie..., ...playable for my GM |
Sep 16 2011, 11:06 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 |
I thought about playing a pixie as my next char, but the GM declines the use of "shapechange" into a human form. Do you know equivalent solutions or do you have some proper arguments that i could use to convince him anyway?
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Sep 16 2011, 11:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
If your GM is not an idiot, you can't convince him, because shapechanging into a human is so cheesy I can smell it through the internet. (I guess to bribe him is still an option)
Physical Mask is one option for social encounters. You just can't hold anything... Anyway, I do not see much of a problems beening a pixie. (Sure you are small, but you can fly. Magical fingers or leviate might come in handy.) |
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Sep 16 2011, 11:22 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
If using Shapechange to become human (sized, presumably) is too 'cheesey', why not design a spell that does only that? The limitation would counterbalance the utility.
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Sep 16 2011, 11:29 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
@Aerospider
This spell would still be a "increase any physica attribute by 1 per net hit without the force=attribute limitation". If you would use a shapchange human spell which just turns you into a human form, attributes are kept from your original form, it would be good, but I guess ok. |
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Sep 16 2011, 12:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 368 Joined: 18-April 10 From: Boulder, PCC Sector, Denver Member No.: 18,468 |
I don't understand why your pixie would need to shapechange into a human, and frankly I agree with your GM if that's what you want - it smells like you just want the attribute bonuses
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Sep 16 2011, 12:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 8-January 10 Member No.: 18,018 |
Planning in case your Black mage gets whacked again? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
Anyway, here's my suggestion: Get a roughly human-shaped drone. Otomo would be perfect, but a manservant will do on a budget. Ride the drone inside a special compartment made for you. Put a physical mask over it. Voila, you appear human and can touch/operate things. As for Shapechange, there's a way that might work with your DM: Get rid of the attribute bonuses. |
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Sep 16 2011, 12:24 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 |
I don't understand why your pixie would need to shapechange into a human, and frankly I agree with your GM if that's what you want - it smells like you just want the attribute bonuses 1) Pixies are quite seldom. Therefore you would cause a lot of attention ("ah, the runner team with the pixie? yeah, they ran that way") 2) Pixies have low body and strenght 3) you need to buy adjusted gear and clothing 4) possible racial bias I could argue, that you lose all metatype-specific abilities (that should also include the concealment-power). |
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Sep 16 2011, 12:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 8-January 10 Member No.: 18,018 |
1) Pixies are quite seldom. Therefore you would cause a lot of attention ("ah, the runner team with the pixie? yeah, they ran that way") Physical Mask should do. Also, you've got concealment. Remember that you don't get a cumulative -2 for that, unlike with spells. 2) Pixies have low body and strenght Doesn't matter much if you're a permanently concealed mage, right? Consider getting a drone for some personal armor. 3) you need to buy adjusted gear and clothing Go mage. Foci need not be adjusted. Lack of armor sucks, but you've got a potential Reaction 12 and Edge 7 (8 with Lucky), so just avoid getting hit or use the armor spell. 4) possible racial bias With great racial power comes great racial bias (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Sep 16 2011, 01:22 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
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Sep 16 2011, 01:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 10-November 10 From: Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia Member No.: 19,166 |
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Sep 16 2011, 01:30 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
If I were your GM these are some, but not all of the questions I'd ask:
Basically I'd prep you for being a possible lab experiment or novelty item until you prove yourself, In Game. I'd definitely, as a GM, consider hanging some flaws on you-nothing absurd but just something to reflect your unique place in the Shadows. |
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Sep 16 2011, 01:36 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Or, you can try to convince the GM to enforce maximums,, augmented at least (if not restrict it to natural max) We use a customized Critter Spell (Metahuman). Net hits are distributable amongst the Physical Attributes. Get 3 net hits, you get to distribute 3 points of Attributes. Sort of in the Middle between no boosts and all nets hits to all attributes. Was a nice compromise. Obviously, if you want to assume the forms of all 5 (Elf, Dwarf, Human, Orc and Troll), you would need all five variations of the spells. We also enforce Attribute Maximums. You would also need a Minimum Body of 3 to assume the shapes of all 5 Metahumans (Trolls have an Attribute Minimum 5 for Body after all), as you must still be within 2 Body to assume the Form. |
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Sep 17 2011, 10:10 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 |
My GM doesn´t care about the additional attributes, he declines the use of the spell because a pixie is quite fragile and flashy, if he changes into a human he has no disadvantages left.
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Sep 17 2011, 10:44 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
About the low Strength and Body: suck it up. That's what you get for playing a pixie - that's why you get insane boosts to other Attributes.
About the social implications: if you propose a spell that gives you human form with human racial maximums, but no increases to your normal attributes, then I don't think your GM is going to object. But Physical Mask might be more useful. |
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Sep 17 2011, 12:05 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,911 Joined: 26-February 02 From: near Stuttgart Member No.: 1,749 |
About the low Strength and Body: suck it up. That's what you get for playing a pixie - that's why you get insane boosts to other Attributes. Doesn´t you need at least roughly the same size so that physical mask is working properly?About the social implications: if you propose a spell that gives you human form with human racial maximums, but no increases to your normal attributes, then I don't think your GM is going to object. But Physical Mask might be more useful. |
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Sep 17 2011, 12:09 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
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Sep 17 2011, 02:52 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Have the pixie pilot a "human suit" anthroform vehicle. Cast via Mage Sight Goggles.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) -k |
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Sep 17 2011, 03:35 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
Or have the troll carry you in a sport bag.
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Sep 17 2011, 03:38 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,654 Joined: 29-October 06 Member No.: 9,731 |
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Sep 17 2011, 03:40 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Especially if the troll hasn't taken the socks out from the last time he was at the gym.
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Sep 18 2011, 02:46 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
Planning in case your Black mage gets whacked again? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Anyway, here's my suggestion: Get a roughly human-shaped drone. Otomo would be perfect, but a manservant will do on a budget. Ride the drone inside a special compartment made for you. Put a physical mask over it. Voila, you appear human and can touch/operate things. As for Shapechange, there's a way that might work with your DM: Get rid of the attribute bonuses. +1 on the human-suit. Its much classier than a human-with-better-stats. (If I were doing this, thogh, I'd totally abuse the pixie-technomancer loophole and make a deadalus techno-pixie who just wants to see what its like to be human.) If you want at transforming critter with good stats, just play an Eagle shifter. |
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Sep 18 2011, 04:02 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
What pixie-TM loophole?
Pixies have a Magic attribute. Nothing that has a Magic attribute can ever access Resonance. Even if they later lose the Magic point. -k |
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Sep 18 2011, 05:09 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
I seem to recall there was a loophole involving burnt-out pixies that's been shown about a few times on dumpshock.
Something about having 0 magic opening you up to taking resonance qualities, because you don't have any magic, and the specific restriction clause refences qualities that you don't have. |
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Sep 18 2011, 05:11 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
IIRC, Pixies with no magic are called "Dead". Which means they disappear pretty soon.
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Sep 18 2011, 05:40 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
'Fraid not, Canray.
Dead pixies DO vanish, but no magic pixies don't. burnt out pixies lose vanishing anyway (RC 84: If a sapient critter’s Magic attribute goes to 0, it loses the use of all its powers except Sapience, Natural Weapons, and Armor, if any. Also same page: Pixie Powers: Concealment (Self Only), Enhanced Senses (Astral Perception), Sapience) Maybe it worked that way in a previous edition. |
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