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Machiavelli
post Sep 16 2011, 11:06 AM
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I thought about playing a pixie as my next char, but the GM declines the use of "shapechange" into a human form. Do you know equivalent solutions or do you have some proper arguments that i could use to convince him anyway?
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post Sep 16 2011, 11:14 AM
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If your GM is not an idiot, you can't convince him, because shapechanging into a human is so cheesy I can smell it through the internet. (I guess to bribe him is still an option)

Physical Mask is one option for social encounters.
You just can't hold anything...

Anyway, I do not see much of a problems beening a pixie. (Sure you are small, but you can fly. Magical fingers or leviate might come in handy.)
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post Sep 16 2011, 11:22 AM
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If using Shapechange to become human (sized, presumably) is too 'cheesey', why not design a spell that does only that? The limitation would counterbalance the utility.
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post Sep 16 2011, 11:29 AM
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@Aerospider
This spell would still be a "increase any physica attribute by 1 per net hit without the force=attribute limitation".
If you would use a shapchange human spell which just turns you into a human form, attributes are kept from your original form, it would be good, but I guess ok.
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post Sep 16 2011, 12:00 PM
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I don't understand why your pixie would need to shapechange into a human, and frankly I agree with your GM if that's what you want - it smells like you just want the attribute bonuses
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post Sep 16 2011, 12:15 PM
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Planning in case your Black mage gets whacked again? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Anyway, here's my suggestion: Get a roughly human-shaped drone. Otomo would be perfect, but a manservant will do on a budget. Ride the drone inside a special compartment made for you. Put a physical mask over it. Voila, you appear human and can touch/operate things.

As for Shapechange, there's a way that might work with your DM: Get rid of the attribute bonuses.
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post Sep 16 2011, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Minchandre @ Sep 16 2011, 12:00 PM) *
I don't understand why your pixie would need to shapechange into a human, and frankly I agree with your GM if that's what you want - it smells like you just want the attribute bonuses

1) Pixies are quite seldom. Therefore you would cause a lot of attention ("ah, the runner team with the pixie? yeah, they ran that way")
2) Pixies have low body and strenght
3) you need to buy adjusted gear and clothing
4) possible racial bias

I could argue, that you lose all metatype-specific abilities (that should also include the concealment-power).
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post Sep 16 2011, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Sep 16 2011, 01:24 PM) *
1) Pixies are quite seldom. Therefore you would cause a lot of attention ("ah, the runner team with the pixie? yeah, they ran that way")


Physical Mask should do. Also, you've got concealment. Remember that you don't get a cumulative -2 for that, unlike with spells.

QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Sep 16 2011, 01:24 PM) *
2) Pixies have low body and strenght


Doesn't matter much if you're a permanently concealed mage, right? Consider getting a drone for some personal armor.

QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Sep 16 2011, 01:24 PM) *
3) you need to buy adjusted gear and clothing


Go mage. Foci need not be adjusted. Lack of armor sucks, but you've got a potential Reaction 12 and Edge 7 (8 with Lucky), so just avoid getting hit or use the armor spell.

QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Sep 16 2011, 01:24 PM) *
4) possible racial bias


With great racial power comes great racial bias (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Sep 16 2011, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE (Irion @ Sep 16 2011, 05:29 AM) *
@Aerospider
This spell would still be a "increase any physica attribute by 1 per net hit without the force=attribute limitation".


Why? Design it so it is not like that. Done.
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post Sep 16 2011, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Sep 16 2011, 09:22 AM) *
Why? Design it so it is not like that. Done.


Or, you can try to convince the GM to enforce maximums,, augmented at least (if not restrict it to natural max)
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post Sep 16 2011, 01:30 PM
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If I were your GM these are some, but not all of the questions I'd ask:

  • Why? Why is a Pixie in the sprawl?
  • Why would it associate with a group of runners in the first place?
  • What is it's status it's own community? Do they accept his or her role as is?
  • Would the layers realistically accept you? if not, how then do you plan on hiding your true nature? What about contacts etc...?


Basically I'd prep you for being a possible lab experiment or novelty item until you prove yourself, In Game. I'd definitely, as a GM, consider hanging some flaws on you-nothing absurd but just something to reflect your unique place in the Shadows.
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post Sep 16 2011, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE (HunterHerne @ Sep 16 2011, 07:28 AM) *
Or, you can try to convince the GM to enforce maximums,, augmented at least (if not restrict it to natural max)


We use a customized Critter Spell (Metahuman). Net hits are distributable amongst the Physical Attributes. Get 3 net hits, you get to distribute 3 points of Attributes. Sort of in the Middle between no boosts and all nets hits to all attributes. Was a nice compromise. Obviously, if you want to assume the forms of all 5 (Elf, Dwarf, Human, Orc and Troll), you would need all five variations of the spells. We also enforce Attribute Maximums. You would also need a Minimum Body of 3 to assume the shapes of all 5 Metahumans (Trolls have an Attribute Minimum 5 for Body after all), as you must still be within 2 Body to assume the Form.
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post Sep 17 2011, 10:10 AM
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My GM doesn´t care about the additional attributes, he declines the use of the spell because a pixie is quite fragile and flashy, if he changes into a human he has no disadvantages left.
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post Sep 17 2011, 10:44 AM
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About the low Strength and Body: suck it up. That's what you get for playing a pixie - that's why you get insane boosts to other Attributes.

About the social implications: if you propose a spell that gives you human form with human racial maximums, but no increases to your normal attributes, then I don't think your GM is going to object. But Physical Mask might be more useful.
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post Sep 17 2011, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Sep 17 2011, 10:44 AM) *
About the low Strength and Body: suck it up. That's what you get for playing a pixie - that's why you get insane boosts to other Attributes.

About the social implications: if you propose a spell that gives you human form with human racial maximums, but no increases to your normal attributes, then I don't think your GM is going to object. But Physical Mask might be more useful.
Doesn´t you need at least roughly the same size so that physical mask is working properly?
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post Sep 17 2011, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Sep 17 2011, 01:05 PM) *
Doesn´t you need at least roughly the same size so that physical mask is working properly?


Feh, get a custom version then. That's really a triviality.
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post Sep 17 2011, 02:52 PM
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Have the pixie pilot a "human suit" anthroform vehicle. Cast via Mage Sight Goggles.

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post Sep 17 2011, 03:35 PM
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Or have the troll carry you in a sport bag.
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post Sep 17 2011, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (Traul @ Sep 17 2011, 10:35 AM) *
Or have the troll carry you in a sport bag.

That might get pretty uncomfortable, especially for a winged creature. I think the anthroform drone plus pixie-scale rigger cocoon works better.
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post Sep 17 2011, 03:40 PM
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Especially if the troll hasn't taken the socks out from the last time he was at the gym.
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post Sep 18 2011, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Sep 16 2011, 06:15 AM) *
Planning in case your Black mage gets whacked again? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Anyway, here's my suggestion: Get a roughly human-shaped drone. Otomo would be perfect, but a manservant will do on a budget. Ride the drone inside a special compartment made for you. Put a physical mask over it. Voila, you appear human and can touch/operate things.

As for Shapechange, there's a way that might work with your DM: Get rid of the attribute bonuses.


+1 on the human-suit. Its much classier than a human-with-better-stats. (If I were doing this, thogh, I'd totally abuse the pixie-technomancer loophole and make a deadalus techno-pixie who just wants to see what its like to be human.)

If you want at transforming critter with good stats, just play an Eagle shifter.
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post Sep 18 2011, 04:02 AM
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What pixie-TM loophole?

Pixies have a Magic attribute. Nothing that has a Magic attribute can ever access Resonance. Even if they later lose the Magic point.



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post Sep 18 2011, 05:09 AM
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I seem to recall there was a loophole involving burnt-out pixies that's been shown about a few times on dumpshock.

Something about having 0 magic opening you up to taking resonance qualities, because you don't have any magic, and the specific restriction clause refences qualities that you don't have.
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post Sep 18 2011, 05:11 AM
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IIRC, Pixies with no magic are called "Dead". Which means they disappear pretty soon.
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post Sep 18 2011, 05:40 AM
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'Fraid not, Canray.

Dead pixies DO vanish, but no magic pixies don't.

burnt out pixies lose vanishing anyway (RC 84: If a sapient critter’s Magic attribute goes to 0, it loses the use of all its powers except Sapience, Natural Weapons, and Armor, if any. Also same page: Pixie Powers: Concealment (Self Only), Enhanced Senses (Astral Perception), Sapience)

Maybe it worked that way in a previous edition.
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