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post Nov 16 2011, 06:22 AM
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Camouflage suits offer a bonus to infiltration & other stealth like stuff in the appropriate areas, if the camo matches the environment. Chameleon suits have the Ruthenium coating with allows them to blend with everything.

So why bother getting camo suits when chameleon is so much better & goes with everything? Does the chameleon suit have any drawbacks? Since it's a tech based item, seems like it would show up on heat sensors or other sensors that pick up energy, as the suit must use power to operate it's light-bending capabilities, while camo doesn't.

However, if it's only heat, adding Thermal Dampening would fix that no worries. Any thoughts or ideas, or is camo outdated & useless if you can grab chameleon.
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- Saint Hallow   Camoflouge vs chameleon suit   Nov 16 2011, 06:22 AM
- - Loch   Don't camo suits also have better armor?   Nov 16 2011, 06:37 AM
- - Saint Hallow   Only by 2 points. So far, camo is cheaper (by a l...   Nov 16 2011, 06:58 AM
- - Irion   Yes, chameleon is better...   Nov 16 2011, 07:02 AM
- - TheOOB   Better armor, much less expensive, much lower avai...   Nov 16 2011, 08:28 AM
- - KarmaInferno   As pointed out elsewhere, Ruthenium Polymer coatin...   Nov 16 2011, 12:56 PM
- - Brazilian_Shinobi   The idea is to get a full-body suit armor (which t...   Nov 16 2011, 01:17 PM
- - Redjack   Remember: Chameleon suits change pattern to match ...   Nov 16 2011, 01:46 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm glad someone already pointed out the obvio...   Nov 16 2011, 02:04 PM
- - Ed_209a   One other neat thing you can do with Camo armor pl...   Nov 16 2011, 02:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   … That doesn't sound like Camo Suit at a...   Nov 16 2011, 03:09 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 16 2011, 08:09 AM...   Nov 16 2011, 05:00 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No one said you couldn't, TJ. He said you coul...   Nov 16 2011, 05:04 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 16 2011, 10:04 AM...   Nov 16 2011, 07:00 PM
|- - Ed_209a   This is the train of logic I presented to my GM: ...   Nov 16 2011, 09:05 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Nov 16 2011, 03:05 PM) T...   Nov 16 2011, 10:58 PM
|- - Bodak   QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Nov 17 2011, 07:05 AM) T...   Nov 17 2011, 04:57 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Bodak @ Nov 16 2011, 10:57 PM) Wha...   Nov 17 2011, 05:05 AM
|- - Bodak   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 17 2011, 03...   Nov 17 2011, 05:42 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Bodak @ Nov 16 2011, 11:42 PM) Tha...   Nov 17 2011, 07:16 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 17 2011, 12...   Nov 17 2011, 03:51 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 17 2011, 09...   Nov 17 2011, 05:21 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 17 2011, 10...   Nov 17 2011, 06:17 PM
- - Larsine   The chameleon suit is a tech based item, so it mig...   Nov 16 2011, 05:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Essentially the only thing vulnerable to EMP is Si...   Nov 16 2011, 06:15 PM
- - Yerameyahu   And my point is that it *is* cheating to claim the...   Nov 16 2011, 07:08 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 16 2011, 12:08 PM...   Nov 16 2011, 07:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes. The dangers of finagling powers out of fluff...   Nov 16 2011, 07:41 PM
- - Saint Hallow   Ruthenium aside, while camo maybe cheaper, it...   Nov 16 2011, 07:47 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Saint Hallow @ Nov 16 2011, 12:47 ...   Nov 16 2011, 07:59 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's not 'full ruthenium', but it...   Nov 16 2011, 09:09 PM
|- - Ed_209a   Yeah, I'm done here, you two have fun.   Nov 16 2011, 09:16 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ed_209a @ Nov 16 2011, 02:16 PM) Y...   Nov 16 2011, 10:31 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   Again, Ol' Scratch, what you are referring to ...   Nov 16 2011, 11:26 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Nov 16 2011, 05...   Nov 17 2011, 01:09 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   It is not really wort arguing with you Doc... So, ...   Nov 17 2011, 01:54 AM
- - Stahlgewitter   Fluff or not is up to his GM. I would give it a bo...   Nov 16 2011, 11:46 PM
- - Jazz   Flying heads are head shots both ways   Nov 16 2011, 11:58 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Stahlgewitter, only if you've added some kind ...   Nov 17 2011, 12:37 AM
|- - Juno   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 17 2011, 12:37 AM...   Nov 17 2011, 01:51 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Sorry, I should have said 'any clothing can ge...   Nov 17 2011, 01:53 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Those are some pretty fine hairs.   Nov 17 2011, 05:20 AM
- - Irion   Sometime I really wonder, why you need to make eve...   Nov 17 2011, 07:24 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Irion @ Nov 17 2011, 09:24 AM) Som...   Nov 17 2011, 12:19 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Hooray for twisting the logic to suit whichever si...   Nov 17 2011, 12:41 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 17 2011, 02:41 PM...   Nov 17 2011, 01:30 PM
- - Irion   And thats the reason you always have to read the r...   Nov 17 2011, 01:37 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Brainpiercing: Perhaps, but two bad rules don...   Nov 17 2011, 01:42 PM
- - Fabe   Has any one given any thought to the possibility t...   Nov 17 2011, 02:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   … Nope. But that's a possible subset, s...   Nov 17 2011, 03:44 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Except the Camo Suit indicates that it can't d...   Nov 17 2011, 05:53 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   "Clothing in 2072 comes with some incredible ...   Nov 17 2011, 06:39 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 17 2011, 11...   Nov 17 2011, 07:02 PM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 17 2011, 06...   Nov 19 2011, 05:38 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Midas @ Nov 18 2011, 10:38 PM) I t...   Nov 19 2011, 07:19 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It also says nothing about camouflage effects of a...   Nov 17 2011, 07:03 PM
- - KarmaInferno   All clothing can color shift. None of it nets you...   Nov 17 2011, 07:56 PM
|- - Mayhem_2006   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Nov 17 2011, 07:56 ...   Nov 17 2011, 08:10 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Mayhem_2006 @ Nov 17 2011, 02:10 P...   Nov 17 2011, 09:12 PM
- - Yerameyahu   But, Karma, there's no rules connection betwee...   Nov 17 2011, 08:54 PM
- - Yerameyahu   You shouldn't have to defend anything with ...   Nov 17 2011, 09:26 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 17 2011, 02:26 PM...   Nov 17 2011, 09:28 PM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 17 2011, 11:26 PM...   Nov 18 2011, 12:45 PM
- - Saint Hallow   Why do I feel like I threw gasoline & a lit fl...   Nov 17 2011, 09:58 PM
- - CanadianWolverine   I really don't understand the confusion here, ...   Nov 17 2011, 11:04 PM
- - Mercer   It seems like there would be some effect on the cl...   Nov 17 2011, 11:46 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Funny, I always read the "All have reversible...   Nov 18 2011, 04:31 AM
- - Fabe   I agree with Tymeaus when he says that all the fan...   Nov 18 2011, 04:34 AM
- - Yerameyahu   You're agreeing with TJ, then: his point (AFAI...   Nov 18 2011, 04:41 AM
- - 3278   It seems unreasonable to put this much effort into...   Nov 18 2011, 01:25 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's what I was saying, Brainpiercing: if yo...   Nov 18 2011, 02:54 PM
- - Mercer   There's also the down side to color-changing c...   Nov 19 2011, 02:58 AM
- - Falconer   I'm with TJ as well. I've done this in th...   Nov 19 2011, 03:27 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   House rules are fine. But that's exactly what...   Nov 19 2011, 03:50 AM
|- - 3278   QUOTE House rules are fine. But that's exactl...   Nov 19 2011, 04:12 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 18 2011, 10:12 PM) That...   Nov 19 2011, 04:16 AM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 19 2011, 05...   Nov 19 2011, 04:45 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 18 2011, 10:45 PM) Yep....   Nov 19 2011, 05:36 AM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 19 2011, 01...   Nov 19 2011, 05:03 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 19 2011, 06...   Nov 19 2011, 11:57 PM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 19 2011, 06:57 PM) The ...   Nov 20 2011, 12:29 AM
||- - 3278   QUOTE (Fabe @ Nov 20 2011, 01:29 AM) Nope...   Nov 20 2011, 12:38 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 19 2011, 05:57 PM) Sorr...   Nov 20 2011, 01:46 AM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Nov 20 2011, 01...   Nov 20 2011, 02:00 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   Case in point. QUOTE (Midas @ Nov 18 2011, 1...   Nov 19 2011, 05:55 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Oh, god. There is no way they stack. I don't c...   Nov 19 2011, 02:05 PM
- - KarmaInferno   If I was houseruling, I'd just eliminate the s...   Nov 19 2011, 06:14 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Ruthenium is much weaker than it used to be (SR3),...   Nov 20 2011, 12:15 AM
- - 3278   I agree with that, and with the +2 KarmaInferno me...   Nov 20 2011, 12:29 AM
- - Yerameyahu   *shrug* We'd have to do actual tests of visual...   Nov 20 2011, 12:47 AM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 19 2011, 08:47 PM...   Nov 20 2011, 12:51 AM
- - 3278   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Nov 20 2011, 01:47 AM...   Nov 20 2011, 01:23 AM
|- - Fabe   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 19 2011, 09:23 PM) I th...   Nov 20 2011, 02:44 AM
|- - Brainpiercing7.62mm   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 20 2011, 03:23 AM) I th...   Nov 20 2011, 02:17 PM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Brainpiercing7.62mm @ Nov 20 2011, 02...   Nov 20 2011, 02:52 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I still think it'd be partially effective, jus...   Nov 20 2011, 01:42 AM
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|- - Grinder   QUOTE (3278 @ Nov 20 2011, 03:14 AM) If y...   Nov 20 2011, 07:06 AM
|- - 3278   QUOTE (Grinder @ Nov 20 2011, 08:06 AM) Y...   Nov 20 2011, 01:26 PM
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