Resource Rush Starts In Canada..., Bye-Bye CWB... Options

[Daylen]

Yeah, but sometimes the minority is a bunch of assholes. You know, I wouldn't mind if congress went to blows like it sometimes used to.

So? Sometimes the majority is a bunch of assholes. In government the % of assholes is higher than normal, none of them have to work for a living.

[Daylen]

In theory. In practice, it prevents anyone from doing anything.

That is good when it comes to government. The only time freedom and money is safe is when congress isn't passing any laws.

[Faraday]

Careful with the politics folks.

[Tanegar]

That is good when it comes to government. The only time freedom and money is safe is when congress isn't passing any laws.

Really? Then what happened to all the money that went down the tubes in 2008? This is clearly some strange new usage of the word "safe" of which I was not previously aware.

[hobgoblin]

In theory. In practice, it prevents anyone from doing anything.

There are those that call that a feature, not a bug...

[Daylen]

Really? Then what happened to all the money that went down the tubes in 2008? This is clearly some strange new usage of the word "safe" of which I was not previously aware.

sorry, I should have been more general, when congress is in session nothing is safe, although it should probably be as long as government exists nothing is safe...

[Daylen]

There are those that call that a feature, not a bug...

Or part of the inherent design... Otherwise we'd have stuck with just having a King.

[CanRay]

I could have sworn that the kicking "Anglos" out thing was mostly UCAS typical propagandist bullshit in all but one of the NAN members ... and that NAN member later became a failed state that got annexed by a neighbouring NAN member who was far more affluent.

The degree of what each NAN Individual Nation believed a "First Nations Person" was varied between the members, and even the tribes (The Cascade Orks let nearly everyone in.). But, yeah, no Hispanic or First Nation blood that you could prove in some way, out ya went. Of course, there was always "Missing Documentation" that could be discovered "Miraculously", as was the case of a lot of Italian/Navajo mixes that moved to Las Vegas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) "Just youse be careful with dem ancient documents. Da ink ain't quite dry yet, knowwhutImean?"

Find myself thinking about a story about Wal-mart, supposedly their standard MO for a new area is to basically price stuff below cost to drive out the local stores. Then once that is done they have a effective monopoly for anywhere within a reasonable travel distance of the store.

Supposedly my hoop. That was their strategy for a long time, probably still is.

Yeah, but sometimes the minority is a bunch of assholes. You know, I wouldn't mind if congress went to blows like it sometimes used to.

Parliament is specifically designed to be two sword-lengths-plus-one-foot from the front of the primary parties' chairs. With a line one short step from the foot of the chair.

See, they used to carry swords into Parliament.

I was really expecting to see Jack Layton get called to "Toe The Line" (A holdover from when tempers got high and swordfights might ensue), and start swinging his cane about when major issues started. *Sighs* Another one lost to cancer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) That's another reason we're having issues, the Loyal Opposition (NDP) is currently without a leader... (And apparently doesn't understand that a Ruger Mini-14 is designed as a hunting rifle. But that's a different issue.).

[Faraday]

sorry, I should have been more general, when congress is in session nothing is safe, although it should probably be as long as government exists nothing is safe...

If there's 2 or more people who interact, there's a government.
Anarchy cannot exist for long in a social species.

[CanRay]

Yeah, too much fighting for dominance.

Oh well, at least we don't hump each others faces over it like monkey's do. Well, we do, but for different reasons. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Daylen]

Yeah, too much fighting for dominance.

Oh well, at least we don't hump each others faces over it like monkey's do. Well, we do, but for different reasons. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

When monkeys are upset they throw excrement. Marxist Anarchists are doing this now, just imagine if they were trolls, might be considered lethal force...

[hobgoblin]

If there's 2 or more people who interact, there's a government.
Anarchy cannot exist for long in a social species.

I usually go with 3 or more being the minimum level for politics to take form, but other then that i agree.

[Malbur]

Yeah, but sometimes the minority is a bunch of assholes. You know, I wouldn't mind if congress went to blows like it sometimes used to.

I would like it if Congress would actually filibuster when it says that it does. And I was mistaken earlier... only 51% is needed, and I mistakenly stated that 60% was (because I was counting the filibuster threat). Eitherway, the filibuster is far too overused these days. It seems that both parties filibuster EVERY SINGLE THING that the other party tries to do.

[Tanegar]

I would like it if Congress would actually filibuster when it says that it does. And I was mistaken earlier... only 51% is needed, and I mistakenly stated that 60% was (because I was counting the filibuster threat). Eitherway, the filibuster is far too overused these days. It seems that both parties filibuster EVERY SINGLE THING that the other party tries to do.

Oh yeah, that's another thing that drives me nuts. Almost nobody actually filibusters anymore; they just say they're going to, and the other side never even brings the bill to the floor because they know they won't even get a proper debate. I'd love to see limits on debating time introduced: each side gets an hour to make their case, then it goes to a straight up-or-down vote. Tyranny of the majority? Guess what: THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRACY IS. Whichever side can gather the most votes, gets to govern. If you don't like it, mobilize your own side next time.

[Warlordtheft]

Really? Then what happened to all the money that went down the tubes in 2008? This is clearly some strange new usage of the word "safe" of which I was not previously aware.

All that money lost was not $20 bills going poof, but rather assets (like houses) losing market value, causing other assets like derrivatives (complex financial instruments that require a PHD to understand), mortgages, stocks to lose value.

[CanadianWolverin...]

The degree of what each NAN Individual Nation believed a "First Nations Person" was varied between the members, and even the tribes (The Cascade Orks let nearly everyone in.). But, yeah, no Hispanic or First Nation blood that you could prove in some way, out ya went. Of course, there was always "Missing Documentation" that could be discovered "Miraculously", as was the case of a lot of Italian/Navajo mixes that moved to Las Vegas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) "Just youse be careful with dem ancient documents. Da ink ain't quite dry yet, knowwhutImean?"

Heh, that's funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (no sarcasm)

I don't know if you remember this, but I asked once upon a time which Shadowrun novels and splash books had stuff on the NAN so I could read more. Didn't find the splash books but I found the novels in the inter-library exchange, it was even a Canadian author, nice lady who emailed me back when I thanked her and asked her a few questions about writing SR stories then.

Anyways, which stuff do I take as being not just faked by the corps? Because the events in stories like Tails You Lose wouldn't have been possible if only those recently descended from claimed NAN or Atzlan heritage remained. I'll accept that some places like the Ute IIRC did that and ended up in a tail spin because of it, but the assertion that everywhere went that way just doesn't seem to hold up under closer scrutiny (heh, closer scrutiny of fiction) IMHO. Pretty sure the ink was still drying on documents for just about anyone who was willing to work under the new management, youknowwhutImean, eh!

To get this more back on the intersection of IRL and Shadowrun, pretty sure the NAN would have told the corps (if not their own) to take a hike and would have the equivalent of the Wheat Board ... which would then export for record profits to other places not doing so hot on the higher end (not soy) food products but at a lower capacity than agri-corps would prefer. Anyone care for Cu ... I mean, NAN cigar? Freshly hand rolled by the shaman's apprentices and much more potent than what the Caribbean League sells, might even let you see the other side of life, man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Tanegar]

All that money lost was not $20 bills going poof, but rather assets (like houses) losing market value, causing other assets like derrivatives (complex financial instruments that require a PHD to understand), mortgages, stocks to lose value.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. The point I was making is that twenty years of deregulation allowed a bunch of arrogant, greedy bankers to build ever more fragile houses of cards; then, when those houses inevitably came crashing down, the economy went with them. Regulation is not automatically bad. What happens when you take the governor off an engine? It destroys itself. I want to put the governors back on Wall Street. I want the SEC and the CFPB to have teeth, and be unafraid to use them. I want there to be a clear, bright line between safe, rational financial activity and the kind of shenanigans that put us into a recession; and I want anyone who strays to the wrong side of that line to go to prison.

[CanRay]

Back to the CWB and how it relates to the Resource Rush, SVP.

[hobgoblin]

All that money lost was not $20 bills going poof, but rather assets (like houses) losing market value, causing other assets like derrivatives (complex financial instruments that require a PHD to understand), mortgages, stocks to lose value.

Yep, what has happened is not so much that money have gone MIA. But rather that people have not been able to flip that money sink of a asset they where holding so that they could get rid of a loan they had no hope of paying down any other way. This makes banks skittish about issuing new loans, resulting in a flow reduction, meaning that other people are sitting on their money rather then spending it and the whole economy grinds to a standstill...

[hobgoblin]

Thank you, Captain Obvious. The point I was making is that twenty years of deregulation allowed a bunch of arrogant, greedy bankers to build ever more fragile houses of cards; then, when those houses inevitably came crashing down, the economy went with them. Regulation is not automatically bad. What happens when you take the governor off an engine? It destroys itself. I want to put the governors back on Wall Street. I want the SEC and the CFPB to have teeth, and be unafraid to use them. I want there to be a clear, bright line between safe, rational financial activity and the kind of shenanigans that put us into a recession; and I want anyone who strays to the wrong side of that line to go to prison.

The problem is not lack of teeth, but a revolving door of economists that one year work for the regulators, the next for the banksters.

Never mind that the leading school of economic thought have more in common with a cult then a science...

[Mantis]

Heh, that's funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (no sarcasm)

I don't know if you remember this, but I asked once upon a time which Shadowrun novels and splash books had stuff on the NAN so I could read more. Didn't find the splash books but I found the novels in the inter-library exchange, it was even a Canadian author, nice lady who emailed me back when I thanked her and asked her a few questions about writing SR stories then.

Native American Nations Volume 1 & 2 have a bunch of (now outdated) stuff on the NAN nations. I've got both books and if you ever get over to Vancouver, let me know and let you have a browse through them.

Anyone care for Cu ... I mean, NAN cigar? Freshly hand rolled by the shaman's apprentices and much more potent than what the Caribbean League sells, might even let you see the other side of life, man (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I like this. A little deepweed in your cigar. Have to work it into a game some time. Maybe even have a PC pick up the habit.

CanRay, don't get started on the registry. That was a stupid idea from the start. It didn't control criminal access to rifles and hasn't prevented anyone from using them in crimes at all. I agree with you on the assault rifle end. Not much reason to pack one for hunting, but any rifle that you can fit a scope to and has a descent range can be used as a sniping weapon. I wish politicians would learn a little more about a subject before trying to arrange laws on it.

So if Aztechnology is in the NAN wheat producing nations to provide gene tweaked crops I suppose a wheat board could exist there still. Some additional force to keep the corp in check. Maybe Aztechnology wants to increase their hold and needs key members of the board gone. You could even work in misguided environmentalists thinking the board is one of the things stopping the nation from going completely back to nature and getting in on the game. Aztech could work with or against. Seems there is quite a bit of meat on this one to work in runs from a somewhat unexpected angle. Farming.