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Stahlgewitter
post Dec 5 2011, 09:32 AM
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Hail from Austria (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I found myself a little bored with my Rigger Trash, on whom a lot of you helped me.
So heres my new (fun)Char, dunno what i will playing in the long run.
But it seems possession is a little op, but makes fun from what i see ^^

Advice, Critic, Fluff, etc all is welcome (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

My last mage was an Nordic Hermetik (ended with i think around 150karma in SR3) and at first i startet out with this again
added an ally Spirit and ended with possession.
Well i like Manowar and was hearing Gods of War, Odin. So i thought why not truly go after him.
I Plan on staying possessed max time, hoping my skills are good engough to survive Astral/without possession

Created with Karmagen, race double cost, Attributs 5, Easy Racial Attributes, Free Knowledge, Raw



Streetname: Wulfen
Name: Aigolf Thorenson
Race: Human
Gender: Male
Initiate lvl 2
Resources 20k left 1nuyen
Karma 750 / 750 spent


Tradition Norse, Possession
atm
Combat Guardian
Detection Water
Health Fire
Illusion Air
Manipulation Earth
Drain Will & Intution
(i have free hand on spirits and drain)

Normal // Possessed
Body 4 // 10
Agility 3 // 9
Reaction 4 // 10
Strength 2 // 8
Charisma 4 // 6
Intuition 5 // 6
Logic 3 // 6
Willpower 5 //6
Edge 4
Magic 6

Init 9 / Pass 1


Skills
Counterspelling 4
Spellcasting 6 spec Combat
Binding 4 spec
Summoning 4 spec
Dodge 2 spec Ranged
Assensing 2
Arcana 1
Perception 3 spec optical
Enchanting 3 spec Vessels
Etiquette 2

Language
German m
English 3
Japanese 3
Celtic 4
Gealic 4

Street / Interests
Hangouts criminal 2
Hangouts shadowrunner 2
Criminal Mafia 2
Regional seattle 2
Religion Celtic 3
Security Systems 2
Runes 4
Fine Met 2

Academic/Prof
Law 2
Magic theory 3
Parazoology 3


Connection
Mafia Consiglieri 2/3 (wanted to make it easier for my GM my other char is also known by this Consiglieri)

Egde/Flaw
Magician
Vindictive (lovin it, made it always fun)
Combat Monster (think it suits Odin)
Enemy 3 (this is the reasen why i live in Seattle now)

Initiate
Grade /////////// Ordeal ///////// Metamagic /////// Complete
1 / Oath / Ally Conjuration / x
2 / Familiar / Channeling / x
3 / Ascetism / Shielding /
4 / Suffering (9 days hung upside down on a tree with a spear wound ^^) / Centering
5 / Ascetism / Cleansing
6 / Sacrifice Left Eye Charisma / Filtering
7 / Ascetism / Flexible Signature
8 / Deed / Masking
9 / Ascetism / Ext Masking
10 / Metaplanar Quest / Dragonspeech

Planning on initiat grade 5, rest just for fun if i should play him long enough, with group all

Group
Resources Luxury (thats where i live atm)
Material Link, Oath, Fraternity, Belief, Exclusive, Deed


Spells 12,
Stunbolt
Stunball
Manabolt (form of a Spear, called Gungnir (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Ball Lightning

Combat Sense
Analyze truth

Heal
Inc Reflexes

Imp Invisibility
Mask Physical
Orgasm

Levitate (form of an 8 legged horse called Sleipnir (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Ally Spirit, Karma 61

IDOL Odin
Foce 6
Powers:
Concealment
Guard
Magical Guard
Movement
Energy Aura
Fear
Skills
Spellcasting
Counterspelling
Spells
Manabolt


Equipp

Comlink resp 2 / signal 3 / firewall 2 / system 2....... 1300

Pets 2 Crow (Huginn/Muninn) enhanced, Logic, Body, Agili, Reaction, Chimeric Armor (hard feathers) Celerity
Training Against instincts ..... 1694

Armor:
Formfitting full, Mortimer greatcoat, Secure Tech Vitals / Legs&Arm
with Biomonitor, Skinlink, Injector, Chem 4, Nonconductiv 5, Fire 3
Ball 14 / Imp 9

2 Combat Fetishes
1 Comlink Skinlink
1 Contact Lenses, Flarec comp, Image Link, Low Light
1 Ear buds, Audia Enh 3
10 Leas Cigarrets
2 Slap Stimulant rating 6
1 Survival Kit
1 Chem Long Haul
1 Backpack

1 Magic Reagent Ivory Radical
1 Conjuring Mats 6

1 Fake sin rating 2 fake License Magic rating 2

1 Hardliner

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16955


Stats 335 Karma
Edge 25
Magic 234
Active Skills 178
Edge 30 Flaw -70
Resources 8
Contacts 10

Language/Knowledge 96/96 free


greetz
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Dakka Dakka
post Dec 5 2011, 04:20 PM
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I would get Masking and extended masking a lot earlier, especially if you want to run around possessed. Ally conjuration is nice but a huge point sink. Leave that for when you do no longer know where else to put your karma.

If you are playing by RAW rating 2 Fake SINs/Licenses are useless. don't bother. Take at least rating 4.

At least by RAW you do not get free knowledge skills in KarmaGen.
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post Dec 5 2011, 07:19 PM
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hmm always had Masking and never needed/used it.
So whats the big deal with it?
Anything special on Masking as an possession mage?


rating 2 is enough for buying bus tickets and such things, later ill buy a higher


..........., RAW
was meant to show we have xyz rulz and everything else is made by raw rulings
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post Dec 5 2011, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 5 2011, 08:19 PM) *
hmm always had Masking and never needed/used it.
Are you sure the GM did not secretly roll for it?

QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 5 2011, 08:19 PM) *
So whats the big deal with it?
Anything special on Masking as an possession mage?
If you are running around as a composite entity of vessel and spirit you will show up as such, I doubt you would want that.

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rating 2 is enough for buying bus tickets and such things, later ill buy a higher
Only if you use the popular houserule of making the SIN rating a threshold for the verifier. 2 dice vs. 1-6 dice of a cheap machine are very bad odds.
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post Dec 5 2011, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE
Are you sure the GM did not secretly roll for it?


Yeah 99.99 percent sure
we had i think 3 or 4 times in 2 years of gaming, that doesnt make it high prio for me

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If you are running around as a composite entity of vessel and spirit you will show up as such, I doubt you would want that.


sure i wouldnt want to ride an airplane while i am possessed, but where else will such high security be?
also if theres such a high security i dont plan on going possessed there or think ill even need the bonus from possession there

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Only if you use the popular houserule of making the SIN rating a threshold for the verifier. 2 dice vs. 1-6 dice of a cheap machine are very bad odds.


well house rule you could say, we dont care that much for ID rating game mechanic, if youre not controlled by the police while under suspect of a crime or going in a
high security area or buying plane tickets youll be fine with rating 3 or 4
5 will get you almost everywhere and 6 will buy you a ticket to the moon base without prob, well if youve got the money ^^
but they change a lot in our game and playing its harder to get higher ratings


all in all, thanks ill consider it getting masking earlier
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post Dec 6 2011, 01:48 AM
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Little nitpick. There is no such language as Celtic. Celtic is a general culture, much as is American. Gaelic works, though you may wish to specify which you're referring to. There are Irish, Welsh and Scottish versions.

Also, as Norse being your concept, wouldn't be a bad idea to take a "language" in runes as a flavor for your magic, and perhaps Old Norse or Scandinavian to cover the languages of the Vikings of old.
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post Dec 6 2011, 02:54 AM
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It's also weird that this guy would speak Gaelic or any other Celtic languages, they aren't associated with the Norse tradition and "Aigolf Thorenson" doesn't exactly sound like an Irish or Welsh name. Did you want Nordic languages?
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post Dec 6 2011, 05:25 AM
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Agreed on that, UmaroVI. But neither does it fit to have Japanese or have German as his native language. That said, I figure he was a product of his generation and he later on chose to go the norse route. Maybe he studied nearly-dead languages and liked Gaelic. Still, he should have Old Norse or Scandinavian or somesuch.
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Scandinavian isn't a language either. Icelandic, Danish, or Swedish would make sense though.
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post Dec 6 2011, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 5 2011, 06:20 PM) *
Yeah 99.99 percent sure
we had i think 3 or 4 times in 2 years of gaming, that doesnt make it high prio for me
sure i wouldnt want to ride an airplane while i am possessed, but where else will such high security be?
also if theres such a high security i dont plan on going possessed there or think ill even need the bonus from possession there


Well, corporations actively hunt for powerful mana-casters, even in the 2070s. They are a relatively rare and valuable commodity. By the fluff most mages in the world are Magic 1 to 3, anyone 4 or over is significant. Magic 6 folks are rare as hell. Shadowrunning mages tend to hide their true natures much of the time because of this.

On a more shadowrun-specific level, you stick out like a sore thumb in both real and astral space. The job will often involve breaking into security areas, often by stealth. Your possessed nature will make this difficult if not impossible. And if you're NOT going in possessed, given how often you SHOULD be running into security levels high enough to make it an issue, well, you just wasted a ton of BP for something you're not using a lot.

Really it's like walking around openly carrying a machinegun. Even if you're not actively firing it most folks will at least assume you're up to no good and track you. About the only place you can get away with that is z-zones where there's no cops, and even then the local gangs will take notice.

You will also tend to attract bullets in a firefight. The one guy in the room glowing with arcane power will tend to do that.



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post Dec 6 2011, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Dec 6 2011, 04:40 AM) *
Scandinavian isn't a language either. Icelandic, Danish, or Swedish would make sense though.

Noted. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Dec 7 2011, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Dec 6 2011, 03:54 AM) *
It's also weird that this guy would speak Gaelic or any other Celtic languages, they aren't associated with the Norse tradition and "Aigolf Thorenson" doesn't exactly sound like an Irish or Welsh name. Did you want Nordic languages?


I am bad at names, so i usually take names from books i like.
Aigolf Thorenson is from an "The Black Eye" (das schwarze auge, german p&p) Novel i read a couple of years ago.
And at least for me it sounds pretty nordic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yes and no, i wanted nordic languages but at second thought i just picked old languages.
There is no must have language for an "religion".
Otherwise every Christian would have to learn old Aramaic.

Maybe ill change gaelic to an nordic lang, dunno atm still thinking about my centering method.
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post Dec 7 2011, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Dec 6 2011, 03:47 PM) *
Well, corporations actively hunt for powerful mana-casters, even in the 2070s. They are a relatively rare and valuable commodity. By the fluff most mages in the world are Magic 1 to 3, anyone 4 or over is significant. Magic 6 folks are rare as hell. Shadowrunning mages tend to hide their true natures much of the time because of this.

On a more shadowrun-specific level, you stick out like a sore thumb in both real and astral space. The job will often involve breaking into security areas, often by stealth. Your possessed nature will make this difficult if not impossible. And if you're NOT going in possessed, given how often you SHOULD be running into security levels high enough to make it an issue, well, you just wasted a ton of BP for something you're not using a lot.

Really it's like walking around openly carrying a machinegun. Even if you're not actively firing it most folks will at least assume you're up to no good and track you. About the only place you can get away with that is z-zones where there's no cops, and even then the local gangs will take notice.

You will also tend to attract bullets in a firefight. The one guy in the room glowing with arcane power will tend to do that.



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First off, Glowing with Arcane Power visibly to mundanes? o0
Never read such a thing, other then when actively using high magic.

Yeah i could see the problems with going in under disguise but by stealth?
its not like i am the emperor from wh40k shining into the astral room like an signal fire visibly millions of lightyears away ^^
Yes i am pretty sure it makes me a little easier to spot in astral when i am possessed and not using masking but going in stealth, would also mean i use the spirit power Concealment, which subtracts 6 dice from every attempt to spot me. Even in Astral if i am not heavily mistaken.

@cops, i dont think regular cops have magic assistance. most of the cops with arcane powers are in HTR teams or Crime Inspection.
Also a mundane cop cant really tell if i am just going after the newest trend from europe or an btl fashion victim. cause more then my maybe a little strange viking style isnt showing to him.


but you made me thinking i should reread Street Magic and maybe ill learn Masking earlier (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Dec 7 2011, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 7 2011, 10:06 AM) *
First off, Glowing with Arcane Power visibly to mundanes? o0
Yes possession is obvious on the physical plane. To use another analogy form WH40K a posessed character is about as obviously different from a normal human as a possessed Chaos Space Marine is different from a regular Chaos Marine. There may be less tentacles though, depending on tradition.
QUOTE ('Street Magic p. 95')
To notice a spirit possessing/inhabiting a vessel, an observer must make a Perception Test and beat a threshold of 6 – the spirit’s Force.
QUOTE ('Street Magic p.96')
If the spirit is possessed into a body, the answer is equally simple: the spirit looks just like the vessel, modified by its basic spiritual presence and whatever powers it has (most of which are invisible until used, but powers like natural weaponry and energy aura are quite dramatic).


QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 7 2011, 10:06 AM) *
Yes i am pretty sure it makes me a little easier to spot in astral when i am possessed and not using masking but going in stealth, would also mean i use the spirit power Concealment, which subtracts 6 dice from every attempt to spot me. Even in Astral if i am not heavily mistaken.
Actually it doesn't. An astral Form is an Astral Form. It does not matter whether that is a single spirit, an astrally projecting or perceiving mage or a the composite entity of a vessel and a possession spirit.
Yes, Concealment works on the Astral as well as of SR4A. Pretty silly for a physical power.

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post Dec 7 2011, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Dec 7 2011, 03:39 PM) *
Yes possession is obvious on the physical plane. To use another analogy form WH40K a posessed character is about as obviously different from a normal human as a possessed Chaos Space Marine is different from a regular Chaos Marine. There may be less tentacles though, depending on tradition.


Actually it doesn't. An astral Form is an Astral Form. It does not matter whether that is a single spirit, an astrally projecting or perceiving mage or a the composite entity of a vessel and a possession spirit.
Yes, Concealment works on the Astral as well as of SR4A. Pretty silly for a physical power.


umm.... argh.... didnt think it would show so easily ^_^
so masking is must have.

but what about my other vessels?
can i mask them with ext masking?

what can possession spirits do in astral/vessel?
aid sorc, sustaining, etc? doable in both forms?

youre a huge help thx (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Dec 7 2011, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 7 2011, 09:21 PM) *
but what about my other vessels?
can i mask them with ext masking?
Nope, only sustained spells and active foci can be masked with extended masking, or more precisely they can be incorporated into one's own aura/astral form.

QUOTE (Stahlgewitter @ Dec 7 2011, 09:21 PM) *
what can possession spirits do in astral/vessel?
aid sorc, sustaining, etc? doable in both forms?
QUOTE ('SR4A p. 187')
A bound spirit may provide any of these magical services to its summoner while remaining in astral form.

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youre a huge help thx (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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