 PC Free Spirits, A few questions |
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 Dec 28 2011, 12:17 PM
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Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566  |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Dec 28 2011, 03:14 AM)  While materialized spirits may or may not have eyes, the clearly must have some organ/device to process visual auditory etc. stimuli. Contrary to astrally perceiving metahumans, dual-natured being actually perceive both planes at the same time as of SR4A. Still by RAW spirits selectively block out photons that have been emitted by a tv spreen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) . I agree with Yerameyahu, that something like this should be houseruled. One thing I would like to point out before I go to work: That ruling is a Free Spirit Player CCharacter thing ONLY. Things were kosher with regular spirits before one of the devs started freaking out about OH GOD ASTRAL HACKERS. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:40 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I don't understand why, either. Spirits and Free Spirits in general don't seem like they'd be any good at it. They'd have to be AR-only, and they can't use most of the standard boosts (cyber- and/or simsense-based), and they're not even Adepts. And, given what spirits/Free Spirits are good at, it'd be a total waste of IPs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Dec 28 2011, 05:20 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
How does various fiction address this? Like Burning Bright? Doesn't the main character have an Ally Spirit? I can't recall it ever mentioning how the spirit perceives. Can you?
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Dec 28 2011, 07:10 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
@Paul
Sometimes only their astral perception is described. But sometimes to accomplish task for which they would need normal vision. Pick up the diamonds out of the coal, would already be impossible. @Udoshi QUOTE Things were kosher with regular spirits before one of the devs started freaking out about OH GOD ASTRAL HACKERS. I do not even think it was about that. I think they wanted to make spirits special cakes without thinking about what they write will actually mean. Magic can handwave a lot, true. but still what is left should be consistant. (What happens if I take a mirror and look at the image of the screen in the mirror? Can a spirit see the reflection?) |
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Dec 28 2011, 07:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 9-May 08 Member No.: 15,965 |
Perhaps the idea is just to separate Spirits and AIs as much as possible.
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Dec 28 2011, 11:15 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
Slightly off topic, but this is the internets, deal with it: Did anypony ever crunch up any custom house rules for PC free sprites?
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Dec 28 2011, 11:27 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Dec 28 2011, 07:15 PM) Slightly off topic, but this is the internets, deal with it: Did anypony ever crunch up any custom house rules for PC free sprites? Oh dear $Deity, the Bronies are here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)
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Dec 28 2011, 11:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
Whoops, Freudian slip. You know what I mean. Besides, didn't we bring you into the herd a while back Canny?
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Dec 28 2011, 11:47 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Dec 28 2011, 07:32 PM) Whoops, Freudian slip. You know what I mean. Besides, didn't we bring you into the herd a while back Canny? Still haven't watched the show.
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Dec 28 2011, 11:55 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Dec 28 2011, 11:47 PM) Still haven't watched the show. Check your messages, omae. |
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Dec 29 2011, 05:11 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
three out of four of my SR players are MLP watchers. It's kinda scary, to be honest. (and one of them characterizes her PC as, quote, "like Fluttershy, if Fluttershy was a death machine." Have no idea what that means, but it's been entertaining to watch)
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Dec 30 2011, 01:24 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 5-April 08 From: Ottawa, Canada Member No.: 15,847 |
Off Topic: 4 of my 5 players watch MLP, so there you go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
On Topic: Yeah, the entire 'can't see a TV screen' annoys me to all hell. My response is to ignore it. Same with AR. Yes, this means a free spirit could, in theory, learn to hack. Whoop-de-friggin-do. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Though, on another topic. A PC free spirit has to buy up skills, and I believe... cap at 6? I presume a Force 7 normal non-PC spirit doesn't have this problem, and has a bunch of skills at 7? |
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Dec 30 2011, 01:45 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
Correct.
NPC Free spirits are basically better in every way. Whether its getting a guaranteed set of skills at Force, or not having to deal with Power Points. Hell, basic spirits are too in some/most ways. If there is a clause somewhere that says PC free spirits do get the usual spirit skills at Force, that would go a long way to explaining why they are so expensive. |
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Dec 30 2011, 03:10 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (bibliophile20 @ Dec 29 2011, 06:11 PM) three out of four of my SR players are MLP watchers. It's kinda scary, to be honest. (and one of them characterizes her PC as, quote, "like Fluttershy, if Fluttershy was a death machine." Have no idea what that means, but it's been entertaining to watch) Fluttershy is basically like a little butterfly and terribly shy. Untill she gets so annoyed that she straight up flies into the face of a dragon that makes lofwyr look small and tells him to shut up and take a hike. And the dragon fears her enough to comply. @Xahn: Pony up and create some of those rules and show them to dumpshock. We will love and tolerate the shit out of those rules. Id' probably start with the PC free spirit rules and bend them around untill they fit the Sprites. But with PC AI Rules, why would you want a Sprite? O.o |
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Dec 30 2011, 04:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 30 2011, 03:10 PM) But with PC AI Rules, why would you want a Sprite? O.o Resonance Realm shortcuts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Dec 30 2011, 04:53 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Ah.
I am not that proficient in the SR4 Ruleset. |
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Dec 30 2011, 05:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
I am proficient in nothing but.
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Dec 30 2011, 05:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 13-November 11 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 43,494 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Dec 30 2011, 04:10 PM) But with PC AI Rules, why would you want a Sprite? O.o Because PC AIs cannot learn Echos and have no way of aquiring more IPs, whereas a starting hacker can have 5 IPs (with restricted gear). |
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Dec 30 2011, 05:57 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Hmm, no using sprites as a basis for an AI in the rules? O.o
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