Lost Technologies Options

[Blade]

I use lost tech (and SIVTA) to explain why in the 2070s the world isn't as advanced as we can expect it to be by then, but I don't use it more than that. I expect that in 40 years, corps will have either found major lost tech data or reinvented it.

But there are a lot of other lost data that are interesting to consider: personal data, minor administrative data that could matter (for a land to be granted extraterritorial rights, the corp has to own it, what happens if someone finds a paper showing that he's the owner of that parcel of land right under some corp's headquarter?) and cultural works. I've mentioned this in Style Over Substance (see signature) with "neo-archeologists" whose work is to find lost data and with copyrights laws (explaining how corps used lost cultural works to get even more profitable copyright laws, and how MCT now owns the rights to the circle-A).

[snowRaven]

I use lost tech (and SIVTA) to explain why in the 2070s the world isn't as advanced as we can expect it to be by then, but I don't use it more than that. I expect that in 40 years, corps will have either found major lost tech data or reinvented it.

But there are a lot of other lost data that are interesting to consider: personal data, minor administrative data that could matter (for a land to be granted extraterritorial rights, the corp has to own it, what happens if someone finds a paper showing that he's the owner of that parcel of land right under some corp's headquarter?) and cultural works. I've mentioned this in Style Over Substance (see signature) with "neo-archeologists" whose work is to find lost data and with copyrights laws (explaining how corps used lost cultural works to get even more profitable copyright laws, and how MCT now owns the rights to the circle-A).

Those are all interesting, but the land ownership issue can get complicated in places, with existing laws for squatting rights and what-not. In a fair amount of places, the owner of land etc has only a certain amount of time to object to squatters, or he forfeits his ownership of the land (apartment; whatever).

[Stahlseele]

Well, in Shadowrun 4, the one really important lost tech that was in the universe(ability to wiretap fibre wire communications and CHANGE the communication) would not be that important anymore, now that most things are wireless and not using fibre wire cabled communication channels anymore . .

[Paul]

Especially since wireless communication is pretty much insecure in every way possible.

[Stahlseele]

Don't have to tell me that.
I do tech-support.

Want it easy, fast, cheap, reliable, stable, secure?
You use a goddamn cable or stop complaining <.<

[CanRay]

"But I'm paying more for this wireless service, it's got to be better!" *Headdesk* "You talked to the Sales guy, didn't you?"

[Paul]

Want it easy, fast, cheap, reliable, stable, secure?
You use a goddamn cable or stop complaining.

Heh, luckily both in my games and real life I didn't jump on board with the wireless revolution. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Xahn Borealis]

Well, in Shadowrun 4, the one really important lost tech that was in the universe(ability to wiretap fibre wire communications and CHANGE the communication) would not be that important anymore, now that most things are wireless and not using fibre wire cabled communication channels anymore . .

Intercept Traffic. Alter Traffic. p. 230, SR4a.

[Wakshaani]

Well the one piece of technology described in Shadowplay was the ability to compromise Fiber Optic communications. So yeah some of this stuff would be some serious stuff. I should point out that I'm not suggesting this should play a common role in every day life of a Shadowrunner-rather that it's an interesting angle to explore.

Heck, we've been able to comrpromise those for years now. Pre-2000 even. There's some crazy tech out there thats lips under the radar, like how we can sift through the ashes of a fireplace, gather up the page sthat were burned, and reconstitute the pages. That's *insane* to me, lik etrue magic, but, we've had it for years.

For me, I'm also interested in the lost population. With teh resource rush, several wars, VITAS 1, 2, and 3, race riots, starvation, etc etc etc, the population of the 6th world has taken a *hit*, but, we also have metroplexes that have more people in them in 2073 than they do today.I need to sit down with the 6WA and figure out what the 'modern' population is.

[CanRay]

Too high. Time for VITAS 4.

[Christian Lafay]

Too high. Time for VITAS 4.

CanRay, a promoter for decimation.

[CanRay]

CanRay, a promoter for decimation.

Oh, far more than 1-in-10... Far, far more...

[Christian Lafay]

Oh, far more than 1-in-10... Far, far more...

You would have liked a game I was in where our goal was to make Texas a free state. There weren't many citizens left but they were hardy and dedicated.

[snowRaven]

Oh, far more than 1-in-10... Far, far more...

A man to my liking!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Paul]

For me, I'm also interested in the lost population. With teh resource rush, several wars, VITAS 1, 2, and 3, race riots, starvation, etc etc etc, the population of the 6th world has taken a *hit*, but, we also have metroplexes that have more people in them in 2073 than they do today.I need to sit down with the 6WA and figure out what the 'modern' population is.

Funnily enough 3278 and I were just having this discussion the other day.

[3278]

[derailment]Forgive me for asking, but who IS this Harlequin? All I know is what knasser wrote in his Questions file: [/derailment]

Emotions run deep about this character, both because he's an Immoral Elf [Child of the Dragons], and because he's featured prominently in a couple of controversial adventures, but I think this wikia page tells the tale as well as any.

For me, I'm also interested in the lost population. With teh resource rush, several wars, VITAS 1, 2, and 3, race riots, starvation, etc etc etc, the population of the 6th world has taken a *hit*, but, we also have metroplexes that have more people in them in 2073 than they do today.I need to sit down with the 6WA and figure out what the 'modern' population is.

Paul and I recently did some calculations, involving the figures for VITAS, current and projected population growth rates, and so on, and it's interesting how closely they match today's population figures...almost as if someone invented the figures for VITAS with the express mathematical purpose of making 2050s population figures easy to calculate.

[Xahn Borealis]

Emotions run deep about this character, both because he's an Immoral Elf.

I see what you did there.

[CanRay]

Harley is the Slamm-0! of the Immortals (Dragons and Elves from the Fourth World.).

[Xahn Borealis]

So who's the Netcat? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[CanRay]

So who's the Netcat? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You'd have to read EarthDawn to know that... And it's a sad, sad story...

He isn't known as "The Last Knight Of The Crying Spire" for nothing...

EDIT: Either that, or it's Frosy, which, um, is pretty much cradle robbing for Harley. 'Course, he's debauched himself in every other way already... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Would Aina Sluage not have been the Immoral Elf Netcat?

[CanRay]

Would Aina Sluage not have been the Immoral Elf Netcat?

Don't know, did she become a Technomancer? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Stahlseele]

[ Spoiler ]

No, but she was his girl for several centuries and got killed off.

[Grinder]

[ Spoiler ]

Off-screen by James Meiers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[Xahn Borealis]

That awkward moment when spoilers.