The Annual 'Will the Horrors Win?' New Years topic., Well, will they? Options

[Lindt]

I am still a firm believer that they would. Mankind would put up one HELL of a fight, but eventually...

Regardless, discuss.

[CanRay]

Humanity would huddle nicely on the outer planets as the AIs use Orbital Weapons to surprise the hell out of the Horrors.

[ravensmuse]

Why? Why would you do this?

[Paul]

In the spirit of the thread-based on what I know I'd say that Humanity could not, alone, repel any serious breach of our world by the Horror's. (The type that precedes the opening of the Earthdawn Setting.) However survival seems possible.

[Grinder]

Why do we need a new thread for this?

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

There's nothing to see here, people. Move along.

[Snow_Fox]

I'm with you on this one. unless you want to mention that Dunkelzhan will rise from the dead with the pure heart to burn them down.

[3278]

I seem to recall that at one point - call it 2000? - the completely unofficial canon answer was that there were an infinitude of Horrors, and that we effectively couldn't ever defeat them, because there would always be an infinite number of them and a finite number of us. Ultimately the choice would come down to a sort of inverted version of the Theran conundrum: our only path to victory-of-a-sort would be to seal the barrier between worlds, forever denying ourselves the Awakened world.

For my part I've always chosen a metaverse in which there are a finite but unthinkably vast number of Horrors, and in which some Tech Level >12 Awakened culture, made up of elves and dwarves and pixies and lizard people and whatever, wages a final war across the metaplanes to rid all existence of the Scourge forever.* I like my Shadowrun down-to-Earth, but I like my background bigger-than-life.

*Maybe while being hamstrung by the treachery of the nanotech hegemonic swarm possessed by the ghost of Alamais who makes the final move in his millennia-long campaign to really say, "Fuck you!" to the elves for daring to stop being his slaves back in 14,000BCE.

[toturi]

Go Metahumans!

[Christian Lafay]

Ultimately the choice would come down to a sort of inverted version of the Theran conundrum: our only path to victory-of-a-sort would be to seal the barrier between worlds, forever denying ourselves the Awakened world.

If there can be a seal then then someone would try to make a gateway to allow a finite amount of magic in. I think there was even an RPG at one point that dealt with the fact that there was only so much magic in the world and it was rationed. But if that were possible then I think it might be the first step to ridding meta-humanity of the down part of the mana cycle.

[3278]

And that's when you're left with that Theran temptation: do you leave the door open just a little bit? Inevitably, someone's going to want to, and someone's going to find a way to. On a long enough timeline, the temptation to power will always outweigh the will to safety for someone.

[Christian Lafay]

So we need a Theran filtering process!

Another thing, what comes with The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend? What side are the insects and the toxics on?

[CanRay]

What side are the insects and the toxics on?

Their own.

[Saint Hallow]

High tech humanity vs some pseudo-magical threat with fantasy? Doesn't WH40K already cover this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) Until CGL or whoever higher up decides that SR5th edition gets this included in the canon or RAW, there's no need to ask or play with this, is there?

[Christian Lafay]

High tech humanity vs some pseudo-magical threat with fantasy? Doesn't WH40K already cover this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif) Until CGL or whoever higher up decides that SR5th edition gets this included in the canon or RAW, there's no need to ask or play with this, is there?

It's just fun to think about. And I'm thinking more SR6. I see SR5 being where meta-humanity gets more choice by leaving the meat behind. Either become a Free Spirit or an E-Ghost.

[KarmaInferno]

Can we beatt he Horrors?





-k

[NotPotato]

For my part I've always chosen a metaverse in which there are a finite but unthinkably vast number of Horrors, and in which some Tech Level >12 Awakened culture, made up of elves and dwarves and pixies and lizard people and whatever, wages a final war across the metaplanes to rid all existence of the Scourge forever.* I like my Shadowrun down-to-Earth, but I like my background bigger-than-life.

Does said Awakened culture utilize huge rings of orichalcum that open wormholes into the metaplanes?

[ggodo]

Does said Awakened culture utilize huge rings of orichalcum that open wormholes into the metaplanes?

Shadowgate-run.

I'd play it. I still want Equinox, though.

[Ryu]

I seem to recall that at one point - call it 2000? - the completely unofficial canon answer was that there were an infinitude of Horrors, and that we effectively couldn't ever defeat them, because there would always be an infinite number of them and a finite number of us. Ultimately the choice would come down to a sort of inverted version of the Theran conundrum: our only path to victory-of-a-sort would be to seal the barrier between worlds, forever denying ourselves the Awakened world.

Then there is the chance that only a limited amount of horrors can cross over at any one time, and metahumanity gets strong enough to teach them that they don´t want to, at all.

[3278]

There's a chance that if we just let them eat enough of us, all the Horrors will turn into rainbow-colored ponies, too; it's fiction, and anything could happen. Some things are more likely than others.

[Ryu]

...rainbow-colored ponies...

The horror.

[Stormdrake]

The Theran answer of cutting the world off from magic would eventually fail as the device doing the cutting off would be a magical device. It could possibly run for a long time but would eventually fail and leave the world in an even worse situation depending on when the device failed. If it failed during a down cycle we would not know till magic started seeping back in. If it failed during a magic cycle the world would get slammed with the magic at whatever level it was at rather than being allowed to adjust as it slowly increased.

The later option is what I always presented as happening in the old Rift Game. One day everything is normal, the next its raining blood and demons are running through the streets.

[LordHaHa]

As long as we have min-maxed Troll Wallhackers who are also Grade 10 Initiates, we will be just fine.

LordHaHa

[Jareth Valar]

Shadowgate-run.

I'd play it. I still want Equinox, though.

LOL, I'm running it....sort of. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)