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post Apr 7 2004, 03:31 PM
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post Apr 7 2004, 03:39 PM
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That is a disturbing image. Something about the size difference. I mean, does a troll 'pack more meat' than a normal human?


my group's take on this

check my post, about halfway down.

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post Apr 7 2004, 04:03 PM
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The Japanese, biased against gays? Come on, who do they think they're fooling? I mean, what's with all the silk robes, and tea parties, and poetry, and flower arranging?
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post Apr 7 2004, 04:10 PM
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post Apr 7 2004, 05:12 PM
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Odd, we've never had anyone play a gay character of any denomination, stereotypical or otherwise. I regularly use homosexual NPCs though, of both sexes. Usually when one of the characters tries to chat up a brand new contact, because its funnier... but often just 'because'. Lady Jane of smuggler fame I've played gay when the characters bumped into her, but only because I know what the Chr6 group's Face is like and I didn't want the team to end up with her as either a close contact or an angry spurned lover! Its not usually overtly referred to. The contact might simply slip refer to his partner by gender as if its perfectly normal, which of course it is.

The few gay people I know IRL aren't especially butch, nymphomaniac (well, apart from one guy, but he's very insecure about everything still), scatty or much different from everyone else, unless you surround them with people of the same orientation and then things usually get... extremely risque... but that applies to both homosexual men and women. They're all bloody odd, mind, but all my friends are odd - I'm a geek, for heaven's sake! I'm odd!

Don't know why everyone's so obsessed about it, to be honest. If you wanna play it, play it, just don't make it the main focus of the personality unless its actually relevant (e.g. like the "short guy with chip on shoulder" stereotype, the "gay man affecting incredibly camp" is a perfectly reasonable character concept. The 'nympho lesbian ball breaker' is also reasonable - but only as long as not ALL the lesbians or gay men in the game are portrayed the same way, because that's just not realistic. SOME lesbians undoubtedly are nympho ball breakers, but then so are some straight women, see?

Most characters tend toward one stereotype or other anyway. There's a reason for that - its because stereotypes are realistic. That's why they become stereotypes fer crying out loud! Its not a popular view, but it doesn't make it any less true - some of the time. There always exceptions and most of the time there are frequent exceptions. Bear that in mind and you'll be ok, whatever you play.
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post Apr 7 2004, 05:59 PM
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Well the main reason is that I want to wite official Shadowrun fiction, and my main character is a Lesbian Elf. But what I understand is it's not as big deal officially in the Shadowrun world, she is a senseual lover due to being an Elf. Her lovers usually fleating one night stands, of course I could make her a Bisexual.


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post Apr 7 2004, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (The Vanguard @ Apr 7 2004, 05:59 PM)
Well the main reason is that I want to wite official Shadowrun fiction, and my main character is a Lesbian Elf. But what I understand is it's not as big deal officially in the Shadowrun world, she is a senseual lover due to being an Elf. Her lovers usually fleating one night stands, of course I could make her a Bisexual.

... with pictures. You need lots and lots of pictures. In fact ditch the words intirely, just pictures. 8)

EDIT: Hmmm, that was out loud? Must...work...on...using...quiet...voice. ;)
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post Apr 7 2004, 07:43 PM
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I want to wite official Shadowrun fiction, and my main character is a Lesbian Elf.... Her lovers usually fleating one night stands, of course I could make her a Bisexual.


Screw Shadowrun. Write Erotica. It'll work better for ya.

Elven Lesbians are also always right on the verge of being sexual. With whoever's around. And they have a soundtrack..

Bow chick a wow wow, chick a wow wow.. bom chick a wow wow..

/end sound track

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post Apr 7 2004, 07:47 PM
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post Apr 7 2004, 07:55 PM
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Hi I was wondering what the official policy dealing with Gay and Lesbians in the Shadowrun setting, I mean I've got a Lesbian Elf runner character that I'm working on.

Official Policies:

-Wear lipstick
-Let men watch
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post Apr 7 2004, 10:45 PM
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Let men watch

...and assist! :D
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post Apr 7 2004, 10:45 PM
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I did play a lesbian for one session once, but she was a butch ork mercenary who actually passed quite successfully for a man in most situations.

Does that mean I've almost played Shadowrun? :D

Sorry, Dal... the formula requires that the player be male.

Maybe you could play a gay male elf instead.
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post Apr 8 2004, 02:01 AM
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QUOTE (John Campbell)
QUOTE (Dalassa @ Apr 7 2004, 08:05 AM)
I did play a lesbian for one session once, but she was a butch ork mercenary who actually passed quite successfully for a man in most situations.

Does that mean I've almost played Shadowrun?  :D

Sorry, Dal... the formula requires that the player be male.

Maybe you could play a gay male elf instead.

Fabulouth! *limp wrists*
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post Apr 8 2004, 02:05 AM
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post Apr 8 2004, 02:26 AM
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I have had both male and female players play boh gay and lesbian characters. No ruels necessary, its the same as everything else.
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post Apr 8 2004, 03:05 AM
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Gay? Lesbian? Sexual?

I thought Shadowrun was like Startrek. No sex allowed at all, unless it is with Cyberzombies or Ally spirits. Are we allowed to have belly buttons?
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post Apr 8 2004, 03:14 AM
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L.D wrote:
Back on topic. Except what they wrote in SSG, there has been no mention about gay/lesbian stuff at all.

Has anybody mentioned this to Talon?

Seeing as how the main character in several SR novels is gay and nobody seems to make a big deal about it, the "policy" seems to be that it's no big deal.

yes i wrote talon and asked for the cannon rules for gay/lesbian runners. I am hoping for a response soon. Or maybe i could conjure the spirit or Jase? and just ask him.
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post Apr 8 2004, 03:16 AM
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I think the consensus is you can play a gay character but you just can't get married in the State of Massachusettes.......Although a civil union is okay.

A Gay Dwarf and a Gay Troll would make a really "Interesting" couple. I wonder if you could make a shadowrunner who by day is a fashion consultant and by night a leather slut / runner.......(Sorry too much Kid's in the Hall)

I'm still horrified by the prospects of Troll on Ork female porn.....I'm thinking lots of butch angry women with sharp pointy teeth.

I think when ever you combine straight or gay sex in a game, and that becomes a focal point of the then you need to just foot the bill and buy a hooker. Just do it really. Your putting way way too much into the sexual orientation of your character and they may be some dark freudian things going on. Roleplaying sexual or other situations always makes me creep out a bit regarless of the orientation. Sure you may seduce or try to seduce a NPC or a NPC may try that on you but there's a fine line between realistic roleplaying and just plain creepy. Unless your playing some sort of covert op or assassin really the orientation doesn't have a place on the run. I've noticed though not to many players are playing chicks with d***$. That would creep me out a bit.....Although a Troll in a dress with a big adams apple could be funny.
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post Apr 8 2004, 05:45 AM
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Good point i have never role played a female or gay character(except for that one jhonson that was a disturbing expirence) simply because their are no girls in my group. If another character plays a girl i just dont feel right hitting on them because no matter how good your imagination is the fact remains that in real life you hitting on a GUY!
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post Apr 8 2004, 05:57 AM
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WTF!? You have got to be kidding me with this crap. :please:

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post Apr 8 2004, 06:01 AM
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I may just be a poor roleplayer but seriously, to me it just seems wrong. Id much rather roleplay huge leatherclad streetpunk shadowrunners. :wobble:
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post Apr 8 2004, 07:42 AM
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Rather play with HUGE LEATHERCLAD MEN, huh?

Check ya-self, b-4 ya reck ya-self, aye.

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post Apr 8 2004, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE (Joker9125)
I may just be a poor roleplayer but seriously, to me it just seems wrong. Id much rather roleplay huge leatherclad streetpunk shadowrunners. :wobble:

Yeah, as well as construction workers, cops, indians, sailors, and cowboys. ;)
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post Apr 8 2004, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (winterhawk11)
L.D wrote:
Back on topic. Except what they wrote in SSG, there has been no mention about gay/lesbian stuff at all.

Has anybody mentioned this to Talon?

Seeing as how the main character in several SR novels is gay and nobody seems to make a big deal about it, the "policy" seems to be that it's no big deal.

Eh... Ooops. :oops:

Forgot about that one. Sorry.
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post Apr 8 2004, 09:20 AM
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what... what rules would you possibly need, for playing a runner of any orientation? random tables for breast size, penis length, and how long it takes to orgasm? what? what?
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