Jan 27 2012, 04:35 AM
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 67 Joined: 17-June 09 From: Maine Member No.: 17,288 |
I've always had a thing for characters with extra arms. Don't know why but I do. My question is are there any good way's to build a character around the Shiva Arms meta-quality in 4E.
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Jan 27 2012, 11:46 AM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,532 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
One of the interesting things about the six-armed shooter is that you end up not actually needing to be better than passable with guns in the first place; stat+skill of 6 is fine, you really just care about getting modifiers.
Udoshi, I'm curious what modifiers you had in mind. The ones I managed to dig up were: Red Dot Sight Tracer Ammo Specialization TacNet My thought was to make a Technomancer; use a TacNet CF to get a 5+ rating Tacnet, have tricked-out drones that can stay on it, and hopefully have teammates who are willing to jam a pile of sensors on themselves to be able to run a rating 6 TacNet or something. You only need to be meh alright at shooting on its own to kamurder people, and you can still be a decently good hacker (although you probably say screw rigging and just have pokesprites do it for you). -------------------- |
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Jan 28 2012, 03:16 AM
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,630 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
Udoshi, I'm curious what modifiers you had in mind. The ones I managed to dig up were: Red Dot Sight Tracer Ammo Specialization TacNet The Red Dot Sight + Tracer was INDEED the bonus I was thinking of. Unlike smartlinks and laser sights, the red dot sight has no provision for not working while double wielding. Thank you, bad writers of Gun Heaven. Synch or Sideways can give you another +1. And you want to run your Tacnet 4 on a commlink that is commlinkmod Optimized for a Tacnet. That will give you a 'rating 5' tacnet. Unfortunately, it comes with its own drawbacks. In order to get the full bonus, you need 7 members on the net, each contributing 8 channels. That means You(1) and each of your six guns(6) just needs 8 channels, and you're good to go. A Smartgun System comes with a Camera(1) and a Laser RangeFinder(2), and its camera is explicitly spelled out as being able to take vision enhancements (4a 322), and the mod(arsenal) works exactly like the accessory. Under 4th rules, cameras dont have any limit on accessories, under 4A, its equal to their rating. You can work around this by installing a higher rating camera, using the camera upgrade mod once you run out of accessory space, or the expensive option of Pilot upgrading your smartgun. Rating 1 is enough to get the job done, because drones have special considerations for contributing sensor channels. Past that you really need to work to eliminate dice pool penalties from Wounds, from Cover, from Range Penalties, from Visibility Modifiers, and pretty much anything else. The trick isn't getting good dice while multigunning, its keeping it constant enough to hit. Suppressive Fire does not care about blind fire, right? O.o Also, 4 Arms==2 Troll-Bows . . *runs* Doesn't actually work. Two gunning is simple actions only. Guess what suppressive fire is? on the magical side, a multi-casting mage adding the full rating of his Force: 4 power focus and mentor spirit bonus to each of the spellcasting tests. That is how it works, yes. Fortunately, there are provisions for only one focus applying to a given test. So you cant have a spellcasting and a power focus helping at once. And Irion specialization is a dice pool modifier, as per the following rule The FAQ just utterly fails to follow the actual rules, once again. 4th Anniversary page 120: Specializations add 2 dice to any tests made for that skill when the specialization is applicable to the test. Note how it does not increase your skill by two. -------------------- Personally? I'm a huge powergamer too. But I take exceptional pride in making obscene rules monstrosities that have no grey areas or questionable abuse of loopholes to do what they do. I want to be able to slap the creation down and have not a single person who sees it be able to question even the smallest part. |
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Jan 28 2012, 11:38 AM
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,532 Joined: 1-July 10 Member No.: 18,778 |
Yeah, the importance of negating modifiers might make Adept an attractive choice for Adept Centering.
I'd forgotten Synch and Sideways, good catch. -------------------- |
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maine75man Shiva Arms: Practical or Just Fun? Jan 27 2012, 04:35 AM
Udoshi Yes there is.
I have, as an experiment, made a si... Jan 27 2012, 04:40 AM
Wejoto QUOTE You basically have to load up on all the dic... Jan 27 2012, 06:31 AM
Dakka Dakka QUOTE (Wejoto @ Jan 27 2012, 07:31 AM) Wa... Jan 27 2012, 07:32 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Wejoto @ Jan 26 2012, 11:31 PM) Wa... Jan 27 2012, 07:43 AM
CanRay Fun and difficulty of six arms, in webcomic form. ... Jan 27 2012, 09:30 AM
Irion @Udoshi
QUOTE You ONLY split Stat+Skill.
Not quite... Jan 27 2012, 09:42 AM
NiL_FisK_Urd QUOTE (Irion @ Jan 27 2012, 10:42 AM) You... Jan 27 2012, 09:55 AM
Glyph QUOTE (Irion @ Jan 27 2012, 01:42 AM) @Ud... Jan 27 2012, 10:27 AM
Irion For example:
QUOTE ("Reflex recorder")T... Jan 27 2012, 10:29 AM
NiL_FisK_Urd Well, you use an old book. SR4 Errata changed it t... Jan 27 2012, 10:38 AM
Medicineman Hello everybody
QUOTE My question is are there an... Jan 27 2012, 11:06 AM
Mäx QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 28 2012, 06:16 AM) Th... Jan 28 2012, 04:37 PM
Mäx Tacnet has a max rating of 4. Jan 27 2012, 12:44 PM
UmaroVI QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 27 2012, 07:44 AM) Tacne... Jan 27 2012, 04:57 PM
Dakka Dakka Where's the red dot sight from? Jan 27 2012, 02:33 PM
Mäx QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Jan 27 2012, 05:33 P... Jan 27 2012, 03:18 PM
Irion @Medicineman
QUOTE ("FAQ")A dice pool is... Jan 27 2012, 02:57 PM
Irion QUOTE ("Corebook")These modifiers can re... Jan 27 2012, 04:12 PM
3278 QUOTE (maine75man @ Jan 27 2012, 04:35 AM... Jan 27 2012, 09:46 PM
Glyph QUOTE (3278 @ Jan 27 2012, 01:46 PM) Are ... Jan 28 2012, 03:49 AM
Udoshi QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 27 2012, 08:49 PM) So ... Jan 28 2012, 04:04 AM
maine75man QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 27 2012, 11:49 PM) The... Jan 28 2012, 02:34 PM
Yerameyahu No, and no. Jan 27 2012, 10:01 PM
CanRay The advantage is pistol in one hand, magazine in s... Jan 27 2012, 10:03 PM
Yerameyahu Agreed. It's silly enough to use 2 guns at onc... Jan 27 2012, 10:23 PM
Medicineman QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 27 2012, 06:23 PM... Jan 28 2012, 06:56 AM
Mäx With 4 hands you can suppress 4 corridors at the s... Jan 27 2012, 10:26 PM
CanRay QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 27 2012, 06:26 PM) With ... Jan 27 2012, 10:44 PM
Stahlseele Suppressive Fire does not care about blind fire, r... Jan 28 2012, 01:52 AM
Yerameyahu You can use them for that. You just don't get ... Jan 28 2012, 04:13 AM
Dakka Dakka You forgot FA mod and MRSI on the MGL. Now that i... Jan 28 2012, 07:58 AM
Shortstraw I was always a fan of heavy weapon shield and mele... Jan 28 2012, 08:38 AM
UmaroVI Actually, that reminds me of the other practical u... Jan 28 2012, 11:40 AM
Medicineman I wonder if Shiva Arms have to be symmetrical ?
h... Jan 28 2012, 12:51 PM
Yerameyahu That's a dangerous line of thinking. If we ass... Jan 28 2012, 04:39 PM
UmaroVI Hmm, here's an interesting one: how about a me... Jan 28 2012, 05:15 PM
Raiki QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 12:15 PM) H... Jan 28 2012, 07:43 PM
Mäx QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 08:15 PM) H... Jan 28 2012, 08:47 PM
Yerameyahu Man, I hope no one notices the six-armed chrome Tr... Jan 28 2012, 08:13 PM
Raiki QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 28 2012, 03:13 PM... Jan 28 2012, 08:24 PM
Yerameyahu It certainly doesn't make sense for 6 independ... Jan 28 2012, 08:56 PM
Irion @Yerameyahu
Yeah, thats the said thing about Shado... Jan 28 2012, 09:07 PM
Yerameyahu It's not the nifty concept that bothers me: mu... Jan 28 2012, 09:21 PM
Irion The sad thing is, that the line between munchkin a... Jan 28 2012, 09:28 PM
UmaroVI I think it actually was meant to be +1 per arm, bu... Jan 28 2012, 09:29 PM
Sponge QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 04:29 PM) I... Jan 29 2012, 04:55 PM
Stahlseele Well, aside from Reach and better damage/AP . . Jan 28 2012, 09:34 PM
UmaroVI QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 28 2012, 04:34 PM... Jan 28 2012, 10:06 PM
Yerameyahu I know this goes back to the basic problem of ... Jan 28 2012, 09:36 PM
Stahlseele Shadowrun 4: Now you too can have your +6 Cyber-Ar... Jan 28 2012, 09:49 PM
UmaroVI Well, ultimately, yes, this goes back to the poorl... Jan 28 2012, 10:03 PM
Yerameyahu QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 04:03 PM) W... Jan 28 2012, 10:08 PM
The Jopp Hmm, use of X6 shiva arms (Nartaki Changeling with... Jan 29 2012, 09:53 AM
Tymeaus Jalynsfein I have a Spider like character (Changeling Class I... Jan 29 2012, 03:08 PM
Stahlseele Make a ScorpionCharacter.
Have him walk on the 6 a... Jan 29 2012, 03:23 PM
UmaroVI I don't want to get any further into a pointle... Jan 29 2012, 05:51 PM
Yerameyahu And, of course, shouldn't. Jan 29 2012, 05:54 PM
maine75man I think I'll be making a four armed Naritaki p... Jan 29 2012, 06:39 PM
Mäx QUOTE (maine75man @ Jan 29 2012, 09:39 PM... Jan 29 2012, 06:52 PM
Yerameyahu If you're paying cash and slots for drone guns... Jan 29 2012, 06:47 PM
NiL_FisK_Urd Tracer Rounds are in the core Rulebook Jan 29 2012, 06:51 PM
maine75man QUOTE (NiL_FisK_Urd @ Jan 29 2012, 02:51 ... Jan 29 2012, 10:47 PM
Mäx QUOTE (maine75man @ Jan 30 2012, 01:47 AM... Jan 30 2012, 12:25 AM
UmaroVI Yeah, 5x Ambidexterity is not worth it - you'r... Jan 29 2012, 07:05 PM
Yerameyahu They're not even really terms; that would assu... Jan 29 2012, 10:53 PM
maine75man QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 29 2012, 06:53 PM... Jan 30 2012, 12:30 AM
UmaroVI SR4A changed the description of reflex recorders. ... Jan 30 2012, 12:26 AM
Yerameyahu Hehe, but we have mountains of evidence that (even... Jan 30 2012, 01:29 AM
Dakka Dakka QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 30 2012, 02:29 AM... Jan 30 2012, 02:36 PM
bobbaganoosh It would have been nice for the developers to make... Jan 30 2012, 02:35 AM
Yerameyahu It's mostly that they use them sloppily (or fa... Jan 30 2012, 03:42 AM
UmaroVI Well, also, the consequence of multiple authors do... Jan 30 2012, 11:10 AM
UmaroVI MBW also stacks with RE. It is Synaptic Boosters t... Jan 30 2012, 03:16 PM
Dakka Dakka True, but that is not what I am talking about. Con... Jan 30 2012, 03:29 PM
Sponge QUOTE (The Dumpshock poster named Dakka Dakka ... Jan 30 2012, 04:43 PM
UmaroVI You think "a bonus of +1 to Reaction" is... Jan 30 2012, 03:50 PM
Dakka Dakka QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 30 2012, 04:50 PM) Y... Jan 30 2012, 04:45 PM
Udoshi QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Jan 30 2012, 09:45 A... Jan 31 2012, 11:30 PM
Yerameyahu Heh. That way lies madness. There's a slim (bu... Jan 30 2012, 04:15 PM![]() ![]() |
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