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post Jan 27 2012, 04:35 AM
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I've always had a thing for characters with extra arms. Don't know why but I do. My question is are there any good way's to build a character around the Shiva Arms meta-quality in 4E.
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UmaroVI
post Jan 27 2012, 11:46 AM
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One of the interesting things about the six-armed shooter is that you end up not actually needing to be better than passable with guns in the first place; stat+skill of 6 is fine, you really just care about getting modifiers.

Udoshi, I'm curious what modifiers you had in mind. The ones I managed to dig up were:

Red Dot Sight
Tracer Ammo
Specialization
TacNet

My thought was to make a Technomancer; use a TacNet CF to get a 5+ rating Tacnet, have tricked-out drones that can stay on it, and hopefully have teammates who are willing to jam a pile of sensors on themselves to be able to run a rating 6 TacNet or something. You only need to be meh alright at shooting on its own to kamurder people, and you can still be a decently good hacker (although you probably say screw rigging and just have pokesprites do it for you).
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post Jan 28 2012, 03:16 AM
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QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 27 2012, 04:46 AM) *
Udoshi, I'm curious what modifiers you had in mind. The ones I managed to dig up were:
Red Dot Sight
Tracer Ammo
Specialization
TacNet


The Red Dot Sight + Tracer was INDEED the bonus I was thinking of. Unlike smartlinks and laser sights, the red dot sight has no provision for not working while double wielding. Thank you, bad writers of Gun Heaven.
Synch or Sideways can give you another +1.

And you want to run your Tacnet 4 on a commlink that is commlinkmod Optimized for a Tacnet. That will give you a 'rating 5' tacnet. Unfortunately, it comes with its own drawbacks. In order to get the full bonus, you need 7 members on the net, each contributing 8 channels. That means You(1) and each of your six guns(6) just needs 8 channels, and you're good to go. A Smartgun System comes with a Camera(1) and a Laser RangeFinder(2), and its camera is explicitly spelled out as being able to take vision enhancements (4a 322), and the mod(arsenal) works exactly like the accessory.
Under 4th rules, cameras dont have any limit on accessories, under 4A, its equal to their rating. You can work around this by installing a higher rating camera, using the camera upgrade mod once you run out of accessory space, or the expensive option of Pilot upgrading your smartgun. Rating 1 is enough to get the job done, because drones have special considerations for contributing sensor channels.

Past that you really need to work to eliminate dice pool penalties from Wounds, from Cover, from Range Penalties, from Visibility Modifiers, and pretty much anything else.
The trick isn't getting good dice while multigunning, its keeping it constant enough to hit.

QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 27 2012, 06:52 PM) *
Suppressive Fire does not care about blind fire, right? O.o
Also, 4 Arms==2 Troll-Bows . . *runs*


Doesn't actually work. Two gunning is simple actions only. Guess what suppressive fire is?

QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 27 2012, 03:27 AM) *
on the magical side, a multi-casting mage adding the full rating of his Force: 4 power focus and mentor spirit bonus to each of the spellcasting tests.

That is how it works, yes. Fortunately, there are provisions for only one focus applying to a given test. So you cant have a spellcasting and a power focus helping at once.

QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 27 2012, 08:18 AM) *
And Irion specialization is a dice pool modifier, as per the following rule
The FAQ just utterly fails to follow the actual rules, once again.


4th Anniversary page 120: Specializations add 2 dice to any tests made for that skill when the specialization is applicable
to the test.
Note how it does not increase your skill by two.
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post Jan 28 2012, 11:38 AM
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Yeah, the importance of negating modifiers might make Adept an attractive choice for Adept Centering.

I'd forgotten Synch and Sideways, good catch.
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- maine75man   Shiva Arms: Practical or Just Fun?   Jan 27 2012, 04:35 AM
- - Udoshi   Yes there is. I have, as an experiment, made a si...   Jan 27 2012, 04:40 AM
- - Wejoto   QUOTE You basically have to load up on all the dic...   Jan 27 2012, 06:31 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Wejoto @ Jan 27 2012, 07:31 AM) Wa...   Jan 27 2012, 07:32 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Wejoto @ Jan 26 2012, 11:31 PM) Wa...   Jan 27 2012, 07:43 AM
- - CanRay   Fun and difficulty of six arms, in webcomic form. ...   Jan 27 2012, 09:30 AM
- - Irion   @Udoshi QUOTE You ONLY split Stat+Skill. Not quite...   Jan 27 2012, 09:42 AM
|- - NiL_FisK_Urd   QUOTE (Irion @ Jan 27 2012, 10:42 AM) You...   Jan 27 2012, 09:55 AM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (Irion @ Jan 27 2012, 01:42 AM) @Ud...   Jan 27 2012, 10:27 AM
- - Irion   For example: QUOTE ("Reflex recorder")T...   Jan 27 2012, 10:29 AM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   Well, you use an old book. SR4 Errata changed it t...   Jan 27 2012, 10:38 AM
- - Medicineman   Hello everybody QUOTE My question is are there an...   Jan 27 2012, 11:06 AM
- - UmaroVI   One of the interesting things about the six-armed ...   Jan 27 2012, 11:46 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 27 2012, 04:46 AM) U...   Jan 28 2012, 03:16 AM
|- - UmaroVI   Yeah, the importance of negating modifiers might m...   Jan 28 2012, 11:38 AM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jan 28 2012, 06:16 AM) Th...   Jan 28 2012, 04:37 PM
- - Mäx   Tacnet has a max rating of 4.   Jan 27 2012, 12:44 PM
|- - UmaroVI   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 27 2012, 07:44 AM) Tacne...   Jan 27 2012, 04:57 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Where's the red dot sight from?   Jan 27 2012, 02:33 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Jan 27 2012, 05:33 P...   Jan 27 2012, 03:18 PM
- - Irion   @Medicineman QUOTE ("FAQ")A dice pool is...   Jan 27 2012, 02:57 PM
- - Irion   QUOTE ("Corebook")These modifiers can re...   Jan 27 2012, 04:12 PM
- - 3278   QUOTE (maine75man @ Jan 27 2012, 04:35 AM...   Jan 27 2012, 09:46 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (3278 @ Jan 27 2012, 01:46 PM) Are ...   Jan 28 2012, 03:49 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 27 2012, 08:49 PM) So ...   Jan 28 2012, 04:04 AM
|- - maine75man   QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 27 2012, 11:49 PM) The...   Jan 28 2012, 02:34 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No, and no.   Jan 27 2012, 10:01 PM
- - CanRay   The advantage is pistol in one hand, magazine in s...   Jan 27 2012, 10:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Agreed. It's silly enough to use 2 guns at onc...   Jan 27 2012, 10:23 PM
|- - Medicineman   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 27 2012, 06:23 PM...   Jan 28 2012, 06:56 AM
- - Mäx   With 4 hands you can suppress 4 corridors at the s...   Jan 27 2012, 10:26 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Mäx @ Jan 27 2012, 06:26 PM) With ...   Jan 27 2012, 10:44 PM
- - Stahlseele   Suppressive Fire does not care about blind fire, r...   Jan 28 2012, 01:52 AM
- - Yerameyahu   You can use them for that. You just don't get ...   Jan 28 2012, 04:13 AM
- - Dakka Dakka   You forgot FA mod and MRSI on the MGL. Now that i...   Jan 28 2012, 07:58 AM
- - Shortstraw   I was always a fan of heavy weapon shield and mele...   Jan 28 2012, 08:38 AM
- - UmaroVI   Actually, that reminds me of the other practical u...   Jan 28 2012, 11:40 AM
- - Medicineman   I wonder if Shiva Arms have to be symmetrical ? h...   Jan 28 2012, 12:51 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's a dangerous line of thinking. If we ass...   Jan 28 2012, 04:39 PM
- - UmaroVI   Hmm, here's an interesting one: how about a me...   Jan 28 2012, 05:15 PM
|- - Raiki   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 12:15 PM) H...   Jan 28 2012, 07:43 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 08:15 PM) H...   Jan 28 2012, 08:47 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Man, I hope no one notices the six-armed chrome Tr...   Jan 28 2012, 08:13 PM
|- - Raiki   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 28 2012, 03:13 PM...   Jan 28 2012, 08:24 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It certainly doesn't make sense for 6 independ...   Jan 28 2012, 08:56 PM
- - Irion   @Yerameyahu Yeah, thats the said thing about Shado...   Jan 28 2012, 09:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's not the nifty concept that bothers me: mu...   Jan 28 2012, 09:21 PM
- - Irion   The sad thing is, that the line between munchkin a...   Jan 28 2012, 09:28 PM
- - UmaroVI   I think it actually was meant to be +1 per arm, bu...   Jan 28 2012, 09:29 PM
|- - Sponge   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 04:29 PM) I...   Jan 29 2012, 04:55 PM
- - Stahlseele   Well, aside from Reach and better damage/AP . .   Jan 28 2012, 09:34 PM
|- - UmaroVI   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jan 28 2012, 04:34 PM...   Jan 28 2012, 10:06 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I know this goes back to the basic problem of ...   Jan 28 2012, 09:36 PM
- - Stahlseele   Shadowrun 4: Now you too can have your +6 Cyber-Ar...   Jan 28 2012, 09:49 PM
- - UmaroVI   Well, ultimately, yes, this goes back to the poorl...   Jan 28 2012, 10:03 PM
|- - Yerameyahu   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 28 2012, 04:03 PM) W...   Jan 28 2012, 10:08 PM
- - The Jopp   Hmm, use of X6 shiva arms (Nartaki Changeling with...   Jan 29 2012, 09:53 AM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   I have a Spider like character (Changeling Class I...   Jan 29 2012, 03:08 PM
- - Stahlseele   Make a ScorpionCharacter. Have him walk on the 6 a...   Jan 29 2012, 03:23 PM
- - UmaroVI   I don't want to get any further into a pointle...   Jan 29 2012, 05:51 PM
- - Yerameyahu   And, of course, shouldn't.   Jan 29 2012, 05:54 PM
- - maine75man   I think I'll be making a four armed Naritaki p...   Jan 29 2012, 06:39 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (maine75man @ Jan 29 2012, 09:39 PM...   Jan 29 2012, 06:52 PM
- - Yerameyahu   If you're paying cash and slots for drone guns...   Jan 29 2012, 06:47 PM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   Tracer Rounds are in the core Rulebook   Jan 29 2012, 06:51 PM
|- - maine75man   QUOTE (NiL_FisK_Urd @ Jan 29 2012, 02:51 ...   Jan 29 2012, 10:47 PM
|- - Mäx   QUOTE (maine75man @ Jan 30 2012, 01:47 AM...   Jan 30 2012, 12:25 AM
- - UmaroVI   Yeah, 5x Ambidexterity is not worth it - you'r...   Jan 29 2012, 07:05 PM
- - Yerameyahu   They're not even really terms; that would assu...   Jan 29 2012, 10:53 PM
|- - maine75man   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 29 2012, 06:53 PM...   Jan 30 2012, 12:30 AM
- - UmaroVI   SR4A changed the description of reflex recorders. ...   Jan 30 2012, 12:26 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Hehe, but we have mountains of evidence that (even...   Jan 30 2012, 01:29 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 30 2012, 02:29 AM...   Jan 30 2012, 02:36 PM
- - bobbaganoosh   It would have been nice for the developers to make...   Jan 30 2012, 02:35 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It's mostly that they use them sloppily (or fa...   Jan 30 2012, 03:42 AM
- - UmaroVI   Well, also, the consequence of multiple authors do...   Jan 30 2012, 11:10 AM
- - UmaroVI   MBW also stacks with RE. It is Synaptic Boosters t...   Jan 30 2012, 03:16 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   True, but that is not what I am talking about. Con...   Jan 30 2012, 03:29 PM
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|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (UmaroVI @ Jan 30 2012, 04:50 PM) Y...   Jan 30 2012, 04:45 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Jan 30 2012, 09:45 A...   Jan 31 2012, 11:30 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Heh. That way lies madness. There's a slim (bu...   Jan 30 2012, 04:15 PM


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