Son of Troll Sized Weapons, RL outstrips Shadowrun Options

[TheWanderingJewe...]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/want-to-se...ifle-in-action/

[CanRay]

OK, Holland & Holland stopped making the .600 Nitro Express as being "Too excessive", only to bring it back due to popular demand, and then created the .700 Nitro Express for the same reason.

Now THIS? Honestly, this has to be a case of "I need something bigger to make up for something that I have that is very, very small."

[Yerameyahu]

So… why don't they just take emplaced weapons and put grips on them? Let the users take the consequences.

Anyway, isn't this kind of thing basically what assault cannons are?

[Erik Baird]

I always thought of the assault cannons as low-to-mid-pressure weapons, more like a grenade launcher with 20-25mm ammunition. This thing is is just under 23mm, so the caliber is about right, even if it's really more of an undersized anti-materiel rifle. Which, I guess, makes it a good stand in for the SR assault cannons.... Just need some Raufoss rounds. Pushing mere slugs through it is a waste of potential.

[bibliophile20]

Just need some Raufoss rounds. Pushing mere slugs through it is a waste of potential.

*looks at link* Well, that there's the granddaddy of the EX-Explosive round...

[Yerameyahu]

Nah, assault cannons are 'light tank guns'. I don't really know the difference between a big rifle and a small tank gun (explosives?). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So I guess the Raufoss clearly fits the bill. We do know that assault cannons fire 'special assault cannon ammo', after all.

And, of course, the 'Cobra Assault Cannon' was a Barrett with explosive shells (in the movie).

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

And, of course, the 'Cobra Assault Cannon' was a Barrett with explosive shells (in the movie).

State-of-the-Art Bang Bang. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And for comparison, look up the 2-Bore Rifle. It is bigger than the .905 linked in the OP.

3500 Grain Bullet (1/2 lb. of Lead in the bullet)
320 grains of Black Powder in the Charge (Cannot use Smokeless powder due to excessive recoil, and engineering issues - the barrel would need to be able to withstand several TONS/Inch - Crazy, fortunately, Black Powder does not produce the same pressure issues as smokeless does)
1.326 Inch Diameter Bore (33.68mm)
1500 fps at the bore, 17,487 ft/lbs of Energy
Rounds cost between $80 and $85 per shot.
Rifle weighs 32 pounds, and has a 3 foot long barrel.
It is custom made on order (With quoted prices STARTING at $26,000)

IIRC, The total cased Round is about the size of a Red-Bull can in Diameter and length

[NiL_FisK_Urd]

Light tank cannons normally range from 20mm to 37mm, exept some crazy russian bmp which has a 105mm cannon.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Light tank cannons normally range from 20mm to 37mm, exept some crazy russian bmp which has a 105mm cannon.

Yeah, the 2-Bore is more like a Light Anti-Tank Weapon from an earlier era. Not sure why I would buy one over a .375 Holland and Holland (which I MIGHT actually be able to afford, though I would have no place to actually use it to hunt), but wow, what a gun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

So… we're agreed that this is a (low-tech) assault cannon? It certainly seems to be Heavy Weapons, SS, etc. Everything fits, except maybe the need for explosive shells?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So… we're agreed that this is a (low-tech) assault cannon? It certainly seems to be Heavy Weapons, SS, etc. Everything fits, except maybe the need for explosive shells?

That is what I would call it, personally. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Heavy Weapon Indeed. Not sure about the need for explosive shells on that one, but who knows. They would be impressive, I think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Summerstorm]

"Because who wants to be known as "that underkill guy"?"

[Erik Baird]

Heh. Maxim 6: If violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

(Schlock Mercenary)

[Lantzer]

I always figured the Assault Cannon was a recoiless rifle.

Man-portable, fires cannon rounds, little recoil.

[Erik Baird]

That's not a bad thought, but recoilless rifles tend to be fairly large calibers (75mm+), and have backblast issues. The recoil is compensated by diverting some of the propellent gasses.

[Yerameyahu]

And we know that they're not; they're described as 'light tank cannons' and having 'massive recoil'.

[3278]

Just need some Raufoss rounds. Pushing mere slugs through it is a waste of potential.

My understanding of assault cannons in Shadowrun is that they fire something very like Raufoss rounds - "shells equivalent to explosive bullets, but without the inherent instability." And then they have huge barrels on them, presumably full of heat sink, so they can handle belted ammunition. But my understanding could be highly outdated.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I always figured that "Assault Cannon" was an Ares Arms marketing way of trademarking an autocannon that wound up as a generic trademark itself.

So I always saw the things as basically firing something between 20mm and 40mm high-explosive penetrating (HEAT) rounds belt-fed, fully-automatic, if not particularly quickly for a fully-automatic weapon.

[Yerameyahu]

Except they've always (okay, mostly) been single shot. An SA assault cannon is the fast version, barring any questionable player modding.

[3278]

Except they've always (okay, mostly) been single shot. An SA assault cannon is the fast version, barring any questionable player modding.

As man-portable weapons, anyway. Autocannons existed in SR3. [Rigger 3, p91.] They were, we're told, "extremely popular," which is a phrase you don't hear often enough being applied to fully automatic cannons.

[Yerameyahu]

In that case, 3278, they exist in Arsenal too. But assault cannons are inherently defined as man-portable, while autocannons are Vehicular.

[CanRay]

If you cyber up a troll enough, is he considered vehicular?

[NiL_FisK_Urd]

well, the cyborg drone bodies are considered vehicles, so yes - but then, a cyborg gnome is also a vehicle ^^

[Lindt]

So this is for hunting what, several moose in a row? Mack trucks? Regardless, its awesome and that's all it needs to be.

[Yerameyahu]

But there are also vehicle body requirements! Ha. Granted, the cyborg bodies *break* most of the vehicle body standards, but oh well.