Chummer Character Generator, Thread #2 Options

[All4BigGuns]

Not sure if this was addressed yet...
I was playing with Chummer today and really looked to get my players to start using it. The problem:
Even though there is a limit on the Availability of 12 - I was still able to make a character with Delta Grade Titanium Bone Lacing (20F Availability).
If nothing else, could is just "Hide" anything that's over a set Availability? I doesn't have to stop them - but there's also a Quality that allows to exceed the Availability on one part of Gear so... I'm not sure how to best fix it right now.

But I thought I'd point it out.

It will give a warning when you try to move out of creation mode.

[ChatNoir]

Not sure if this was addressed yet...
I was playing with Chummer today and really looked to get my players to start using it. The problem:
Even though there is a limit on the Availability of 12 - I was still able to make a character with Delta Grade Titanium Bone Lacing (20F Availability).
If nothing else, could is just "Hide" anything that's over a set Availability? I doesn't have to stop them - but there's also a Quality that allows to exceed the Availability on one part of Gear so... I'm not sure how to best fix it right now.

But I thought I'd point it out.

As you say, we need to see the items with an availabiliy > 12 because of the Restriced Gear Quality. The thing is that you can buy those items but when you wan't to finalize your character (ie put him in career mode), Chummer checks for things not allowed at creation (depending on your options). The availability is one of those conditions that forbids the finalization of a character.
However, having a that at creation that summarise some informations on that matter could be usefull (or make it appear somewhere if there's not enough stuff to create a full tab).

Edit : and I missed All4BigGuns post ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[McDougle]

Soooo... will you convert Chummer to SR5 in half a year? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[ChatNoir]

Maybe not convert but make a version for V5 and keep the V4 version for people not switching as soon as it's out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm sure a lot of people will take their time to check SR5 before buying it and I know quite a lot of people that have serious doubts about the futur of Shadowrun. Keeping a branch of Chummer compatible with SR4 would be quite interesting for them (even if it's not updated).

[SpellBinder]

Seems so sad that versions of games are coming out faster and faster these days. I've got a 20th anniversary campaign box for 2nd Ed AD&D; it hasn't even been another 20 years yet and already there's a minimum of 3 more editions.

Personally I'm gonna take it slow regarding SR5, and I'd hope Nebular's able to integrate the two, provided there's not too many changes that have to be made.

[McDougle]

And another one with "too fast"... its just us getting older. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

SR4 was the LONGEST Shadowrun edition yet! When SR5 hits the shelves it was out for 8 years, which is 1 year longer than SR3 was "state of the art". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You guys should really read those stories on shadowruntabletop.com -> a LOT of intel on the new matrix there.

[Aiseant]

Hello there

First and foremost, thanks all of chummer team's members for this awesome tool, it just rocks ! ! ! I always hate the caracter sheet with so many pages, and with this, it's very smooth and easy, thanks ! With my bf, we were like "nooo, this trick, they didn't ... oh yeah, they did !", "wow, it adds it in the right place and ... wow, and the page number too ?!". Pure comfort !

Only one small glitch we found (I have to admit I didn't read all previous posts, so maybe this is alread known) : in career mode, when you add the "bone lacing" in gear (cyberware) and then undo expense, the attack stays in the list

[SpellBinder]

Yup, undoing the expense first does remove the bone lacing from the Cyberware and Bioware tab, but leaves the attack (which cannot be deleted in Chummer). Adding the bone lacing back (even for free) adds an additional attack weapon as well.

I did find that it's possible to delete the bone lacing first, which will remove the attack, and you can still undo the expense in the Karma and Nuyen tab. This can be done as a workaround until Nebular is able to fix the code.

[McDougle]

If its "too late" you can still create an "improvement"(last tab) to bring melee damage back to normal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[ChatNoir]

Did you try with "Re-apply improvements" in Specials ?

[Aiseant]

@ChatNoir : yes I did, and the bone lacing was still there

@McDougle : thanks for the tips. It wasn't too late, as I used it for testing various upgrading of my character and then writing it down (I still prefer paper when I'm playing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) ... so no harm done, just thinking the team should know that, as it seems chummer is still supported.

[ChatNoir]

@ChatNoir : yes I did, and the bone lacing was still there

@McDougle : thanks for the tips. It wasn't too late, as I used it for testing various upgrading of my character and then writing it down (I still prefer paper when I'm playing (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) ... so no harm done, just thinking the team should know that, as it seems chummer is still supported.

Still supported but Nebular hurt his wrist, so the next update may take a while. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Saytr]

Totally random question, with the advancement of laptop/pc to tablets has anyone configured any of the character generators to work with iPads/windows8/androids os tablet devices or mobile devices??

[All4BigGuns]

Totally random question, with the advancement of laptop/pc to tablets has anyone configured any of the character generators to work with iPads/windows8/androids os tablet devices or mobile devices??

I have a feeling that it should work with Windows 8. Not sure since I have Windows 7.

[SpellBinder]

I do have access to a Windows 8 laptop, but have not tested it yet. I too expect that Chummer should work just fine, but then even XP was supposed to be 100% backwards compatible with older software, and I've got plenty of examples that disprove that without third party support.

On a completely different note, I did have a thought that might help with those of use that like a little bit of extra information so we can double check things on our own. In the Cyberware and Bioware tab, when clicking on "Selected Cyberware" or "Selected Bioware", would it be possible to put the total sum of Essence in the respective box (and the modified half value in parenthesis) where the base Essence cost is listed for individual implants?

Also, would it be possible to have all implants calculate Essence to four decimal places (because higher grade implants can go to 3 decimal places, but then the half factor for the lesser impact can take it to four)? Noticed the rounded calculations with certain implants (like those that have a base 0.25 or 0.15 Essence cost) when flushing out a character with a Betware Sleep Regulator, where the Essence cost was rounded from 0.105 to 0.110.

[Nebular]

Sorry for taking a while to get back to everyone. Thankfully the break has been healing nicely though I'm still in a cast for the next 2.5 weeks which makes typing a real pain in the butt and means that things will still be a little slow to update for a while. I have, however, been able to clean a few older bits off of the bug list and a couple of the newer items that have come up. I'm hoping to have the next update available Wednesday evening if everything goes as planned. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Nebular]

I'm trying to add an internal air tank to a piece of armor, but it's not listed among the possible armor mods or gear. As per the sidebar in Arsenal this is supposed to be allowed. For that matter, it didn't appear that armor mods and capacity are working correctly. Just thought I'd throw that in there, too.

I'll have this added to the data file in the next update.

Could you add an option to allow a name to be added to the Profession Autosofts when they are added to drones or vehicles? This is already an option in the gear section. I'd just like it to work the same for the vehicle section. Makes it easier when you have a bunch on your Mr. Fix-it drone to know just what it can do. Thanks and as usual keep up the brilliant work.

I think it's the </ selecttext> part that's not working in the Vehicle tab. Found the same when trying to change a Targeting autosoft for one with the actual skill name. Found that it turns up fine if you add it in the Gear tab then use the button to move it to a vehicle, for a workaround.

Yeah, there's a logic problem with the Improvement Manager. I'll have this fixed in the next update.

windows vista 32bit home edition with CodeBase: Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319/
Chummer version 0.0.0.434

ran into three "Unhandled Exception: Object Reference not set to an instance of an object." when adding PACKS to a character in creation mode.
Character Creation > Special > Adding PACKS Kit > GEAR > Rifle Shooter > viewing PACK items
Character Creation > Special > Adding PACKS Kit > Rifle Shooter > Applying PACK items to character
Character Creation > Special > Adding PACKS Kit > Air Combat Drones II > viewing PACK items

Looks like I forgot to correct a Weapon name in the PACKS data file. I'll have this corrected in the next update.

[Nebular]

Perception Test dice pool bonus

Environment Windows 7 64 bit, Chummer 0.0.0.434 build mode

The dice pool shown for the Assensing skill is not including the bonus for the perceptive (1 or 2) quality RC100. The perception skill does include the bonus. Both show the bonus for the enhanced perception adept power.

I am *assuming* that in this context, "all Perception Tests" includes assensing, since Enhanced Perception adept power description says:
The descriptions, although not worded quite the same, seem to say that the quality and power should provide bonuses in the same places.

The adept power description says the bonus dice are limited to the Intuition attribute value. The dice pools do not include that limit. Not sure what the pool limit should be if have both the quality and the power. Should the combined bonus limit be INT, or just the power?

I do not see a way to get a dice pool for Matrix Perception / Analyze, to see if the bonuses make it over there.

Yeah, that makes sense. Assensing is an Astral Perception Test. Between the way the Adept Power works and that the Quality does say it affects Astral Perception tests, I'd think that's correct. I'll have this changed in the next update.

[Nebular]

ChummerGen totally rocks!

Are there any plans to port it to Windows Store so that Windows 8 RT (e.g. Surface RT) can run it?

If there aren't any plans then do you mind if I implement it by consuming all of your XML files? I'm happy to include your name in the authored by field when I publish it.

If you're open to this then is there any chance you'd be willing to send me your code? I suspect that 90% of what you've written will Just Work without any modifications.

I'm looking forward to running ChummerGen on my new Surface RT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks for creating ChummerGen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Tim

At the moment I don't have any plans to create something for Windows 8 RT or any other device. The source code for build 420 is freely available from http://code.google.com/p/chummer/ if you want to poke around in it though and give it a try. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Nebular]

Soooo... will you convert Chummer to SR5 in half a year? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Maybe not convert but make a version for V5 and keep the V4 version for people not switching as soon as it's out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I'm sure a lot of people will take their time to check SR5 before buying it and I know quite a lot of people that have serious doubts about the futur of Shadowrun. Keeping a branch of Chummer compatible with SR4 would be quite interesting for them (even if it's not updated).

Seems so sad that versions of games are coming out faster and faster these days. I've got a 20th anniversary campaign box for 2nd Ed AD&D; it hasn't even been another 20 years yet and already there's a minimum of 3 more editions.

Personally I'm gonna take it slow regarding SR5, and I'd hope Nebular's able to integrate the two, provided there's not too many changes that have to be made.

And another one with "too fast"... its just us getting older. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

SR4 was the LONGEST Shadowrun edition yet! When SR5 hits the shelves it was out for 8 years, which is 1 year longer than SR3 was "state of the art". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

You guys should really read those stories on shadowruntabletop.com -> a LOT of intel on the new matrix there.

It's certainly a wait-and-see sort of situation. It really depends on how different the two versions are from each other. If they're fairly similar, keeping it as a single application may be possible, but it really depends on where the two versions differ from each other. If it would require a different version to be created/maintained, I'd likely change it all to an open source project to allow everyone who wants to contribute to do so. Maintaining one application consumes a fair amount of time as-is; trying to maintain two would be a lot of work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Nebular]

Hello there

First and foremost, thanks all of chummer team's members for this awesome tool, it just rocks ! ! ! I always hate the caracter sheet with so many pages, and with this, it's very smooth and easy, thanks ! With my bf, we were like "nooo, this trick, they didn't ... oh yeah, they did !", "wow, it adds it in the right place and ... wow, and the page number too ?!". Pure comfort !

Only one small glitch we found (I have to admit I didn't read all previous posts, so maybe this is alread known) : in career mode, when you add the "bone lacing" in gear (cyberware) and then undo expense, the attack stays in the list

Nice catch. I'll have this fixed in the next update.

[Nebular]

Totally random question, with the advancement of laptop/pc to tablets has anyone configured any of the character generators to work with iPads/windows8/androids os tablet devices or mobile devices??

I'm running Windows 8 on both my laptop and desktop computers (and developing on Windows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) , so it can easily run on that. Unfortunately I don't have any plans on developing an iOS/Android/mobile version as they're not something I've written code for or honestly have the time for. A few people have expressed an interest in creating mobile versions and I've told them they're certainly welcome to do so, offering up code and anything else they'd need, but I'm not sure where any of those projects are at or if they went anywhere.

[Nebular]

On a completely different note, I did have a thought that might help with those of use that like a little bit of extra information so we can double check things on our own. In the Cyberware and Bioware tab, when clicking on "Selected Cyberware" or "Selected Bioware", would it be possible to put the total sum of Essence in the respective box (and the modified half value in parenthesis) where the base Essence cost is listed for individual implants?

Also, would it be possible to have all implants calculate Essence to four decimal places (because higher grade implants can go to 3 decimal places, but then the half factor for the lesser impact can take it to four)? Noticed the rounded calculations with certain implants (like those that have a base 0.25 or 0.15 Essence cost) when flushing out a character with a Betware Sleep Regulator, where the Essence cost was rounded from 0.105 to 0.110.

Yes to both ideas. I should be able to get the first one in for the next update. I might be able to get the second one in as well but not 100% sure yet.

[Saytr]

I don't know written code or the process for stirring code, assuming it was a adobe format I believe moat android devices would be able to run it. Apple on the other hand is a completely different story, I know getting a app on their market store takes getting the approval of their development team before it is available on their app store.

[All4BigGuns]

I'm running Windows 8 on both my laptop and desktop computers (and developing on Windows (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) , so it can easily run on that. Unfortunately I don't have any plans on developing an iOS/Android/mobile version as they're not something I've written code for or honestly have the time for. A few people have expressed an interest in creating mobile versions and I've told them they're certainly welcome to do so, offering up code and anything else they'd need, but I'm not sure where any of those projects are at or if they went anywhere.

If someone has a tablet that runs Windows 8, wouldn't the tablet just be able to run the one that currently exists?