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[Mantis]

Nope, it is no longer being updated. I did the last one, which was to add the weapons from Gun Heaven 3 but since I don't have the skills to actually code the program (adding gear is easy, mostly just copy paste and following the format), I can't make any changes and no one else has stepped up.
So Chummer is what it is for now.

[SpellBinder]

I'm not sure if updates are being done to Chummer anymore, but I noticed something that I figured would have been fixed a LONG time ago when putting together a character.

Per RC page 73, SURGE characters get a number of BPs for Qualities that do not count towards the 35 BP cap dependent on the Class of SURGE they are. Class 1 gets 10 Positive and 5 Negative; Class 2 gets 20 Positive and 10 Negative; Class 3 gets 30 Positive and 15 Negative.

When I select one of the levels, it appears as if the Positive BPs that I should get as a bonus are halved. That is, when I add Class 1 SURGE I am only getting 5 Positive BPs and not 10. The same thing applies for Class 2 and Class 3 in that the amount of Positive BPs is being calculated wrong.

I hope someone is still looking at this application and doing updates?

Try completing the selection of SURGE/Metagenetic qualities, both positive & negative, then look at the BP calculation totals.

[Severus Snape]

Try completing the selection of SURGE/Metagenetic qualities, both positive & negative, then look at the BP calculation totals.

I tried that and it fails.

When I add Class III SURGE, the program does a calculation and alters the number of BP spent to compensate for the free BP you are supposed to get for metagenetic qualities. So I tried adding SURGE III first, and the calculation is being done wrong. You are supposed to get 30 Positive and 15 Negative. If you take a look at the calculations pane on the right side, you'll see that the program adds +15 Negative BP, which is expected. However, it is only subtracting -15 BP from the positive portion, when it should be subtracting 30. It seems that it is subtracting the same amount from Positive that it is adding to the Negative, when it should be subtracting twice the Negative amount from the Positive.

I tested this with all three SURGE categories, and it's always the same thing - whatever is added to Negative is subtracted from Positive, even though the subtraction should be twice the Negative.

Now, I'm a programmer and data guy by trade in real life, so I'd love to look at the code behind the application to see what's going on. If the amounts to be calculated are somewhere in one of the XML files, I'd love to hear which one so I can run through it and make sure that the amounts are correct OR change them if they are wrong.

Anyone?

[Severus Snape]

UPDATE

I just opened the file qualities.xml and took a look to see if the SURGE qualities (Class I, Class II, Class III) had the bonus BP listed. They do, and the amounts are all correct for what each level should give. So I went back into Chummer and, one at a time, added each of the SURGE categories to make sure of what I was seeing. Sure enough, the amounts for Negative bonus BP are correct, but the Positive bonus BP matches the Negative value and not what it should be for Positive.

Based on my research, this is an issue with the code in the application and not the xml file. Without the code, I cannot fix this issue. Does anyone know if Nebular is willing to pass this project on to someone else to maintain? Is it possible to get the code behind the application so that this can be fixed?

[Machine Ghost]

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Does anyone know if Nebular is willing to pass this project on to someone else to maintain? Is it possible to get the code behind the application so that this can be fixed?

The source is all available. See this earlier post for details.

[Severus Snape]

So I took a look at the link you provided, and the latest build that is uploaded at Google Docs is build 458. A quick check of Chummer shows that the last build I have downloaded for updates is 490. Anybody have the latest build code? Any chance we could convince Nebular to upload build 490 to google docs?

[Severus Snape]

UPDATE
I downloaded the zip file for build 458, and there is no code in there. All that zip file contains is...the application you can download from Chummergen.com. Where is the actual code for the application?

[Machine Ghost]

UPDATE
I downloaded the zip file for build 458, and there is no code in there. All that zip file contains is...the application you can download from Chummergen.com. Where is the actual code for the application?

See code.google.com/p/chummer/source/checkout for details about getting it using SVN, or start from there, then use browse to svn/trunk/chummer to just have a look.

[Severus Snape]

Uck. I can write code, but setting up SVN on my machine? Uck.

I'll give it a crack and see if I can do this.

Uck.

[Severus Snape]

Ok, I've got Tortoise installed, and I've got a repository on my machine to run the code through Visual Studio. So I set a few breakpoints around where the Qualities are updated, and....the list of qualities isn't correct. It's not complete, to be precise. So on my local machine, I take the full copy and drop it in the debug folder, and it doesn't update.

Need to know where the code is pointing to for the list of qualities so I can proceed. I am not overtly seeing the path location in the code, so any help on locating which file is being used would be a great help here.

[Severus Snape]

I'm a dolt...on all counts.

I figured out that in VS I needed to be going against DEBUG and not RELEASE, which helped the issue I was having regarding which Qualities file I was looking at.

I also figured out that the total number of BP being calculated is correct - not only am I blind, but my math is bad too.

Wow, am I an idiot.

I'll still continue to use Chummer, and if I can figure out how this whole Subversion/Checking In/Checking out thing works, maybe I'll help maintain this. Who knows.

[SpellBinder]

I'm surprised you're having calculation issues in Chummer regarding the Changeling qualities. I did a Changeling (Class II SURGE) (10) with Glamour (15), Nasty Vibe (5), & Neoteny (-10), and no other qualities and Chummer shows "Positive Qualities 10 BP" & "Negative Qualities 0 BP" like it should. With no BP spent on anything else it says I have 390 BP remaining from the standard 400.

[Severus Snape]

Yeah, it wasn't Chummer that was an issue. PEBCAK issue.

[grindoctor]

Maybe this is a redundant question, but are there any news about Chummer SR5? The last info update on the Chummer site was from june 2013. Anything newer? Preferably a release time frame (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Cheers from Norway!

[KarmaInferno]

The creator Nebular has ceased development on Chummer, and has expressed no interest in creating a 5th edition version.

As noted in the previous few points, he has released the source code if anyone else wants to take a crack at making a 5th edition version.



-k

[The Overlord]

I REALLY wish someone would do so. After using Chummer for a while i got so use to it that i hate using spread sheets.

[Nergal]

Gentlemen. I've encountered some weird problem with Chummer.
Once upon a time I had Chummer working perfectly. Today, after a couple of OS reinstalls and hardware updates, I find out, that trying to run Chummer gives me an annoying appcrash problem claiming that the program stopped working due to some CLR20r3 problem.
Google gave me a couple of results, but no solutions offered worked for me. Maybe someone here may help me?
Thanks in advance.

[SpellBinder]

First thought would be to ask if your .NET framework is up to date after your OS reinstall.

[Nergal]

NET Framework was installed. Was reinstalled. Was installed after cleaning out with a cleanup tool. Some of the answers I found did talk about doing it. But it did not help.
I know that NET Framework is not the most stable thing in the world, and in often causes problems.

The problem is solved. When in doubt - reinstall OS!

[SpellBinder]

Just making sure about the .NET bit. A quick google search mentioned that kind of error and .NET not getting installed properly. But whatever the cause, it's good to read it's working for you again.

[Nergal]

Yeah, before I posted here, I did Google the matter, and it mentioned NET Framework. But no amount of reinstalling and cleaning with different software helped me. It looks like my OS had to go =)

[Vulcanisik]

I just posted this on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Shadowrun/comments...val_btc_reward/

[justkelly]

found this on shadowruntabletop

http://forums.shadowruntabletop.com/index.php?topic=15185.0

[Vulcanisik]

Yeah, I've been checking that out too. It's a good nice start so far.

[Umidori]

I REALLY wish someone would do so. After using Chummer for a while i got so use to it that i hate using spread sheets.

I think we're gonna be waiting on this for a while, at least until more books come out with more Chargen rulings for 5E.

It also doesn't help that a lot of the most dedicated members of the fanbase are disappointed with 5E, or are still on the fence and holding off. After all, they're the kinds of community members who would go to the trouble of making a new version of Chummer.

~Umi