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post Apr 23 2012, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Apr 22 2012, 04:39 PM) *
Hi!
First of all: I registered today to let you know that I really appreciate this great program! Thank you very much for the hard work you clearly put into it.

Now, I am in the process of entering characters and NPCs, and I stumbled upon a few inconsistencies. I'm not sure if they are input mistakes or if the program doesn't allow some things, but I noticed a few things.

In no particular order:

1.) I can add a trodenet to a FFBA (full), which is described as coming with a hood, but it takes up a modification slot. I usually did not count it as this when GMing, but it's probably my mistake

2.) When adding Tactical AR software or Autosofts, you can't add program options like in matrix programs, but again, I'm not sure if this is a misinterpretation of the rules in my part

3.) When adding an exotic weapons skill (such as cyberweapon in unusual places) to a character, you can only specify for what weapon it is used (i.e. give it a name) but you can't add a specialization

4.) Someone already posted it, but it would be awesome to either have an editable close combat attack or add claws, fangs and goring horns (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

5.) When the character has a bone densitiy augmentation or bone lacing and does physical damage with his attacks, martial arts bonuses (such as +1DV for unarmed attacks) aren't factored in

6.) This is a major problem, and again, I'm not sure if it's my mistake. When you have multiple characters open (I tried it with a few NPCs) and save one, it will ask to overwrite for the first opened.
E.g.: Character 1 is called Nightwolf, Character 2 is called Jackanapes. Both are open in chummer in separate tabs. I change something in Character 2 and it asks me to overwrite Nightwolf

7.) When creating a 'ignore creation rules' character, I noticed a few times that when you go negative in the nuyen, it will produce an error with the starting money.
To elaborate: I create a prime runner NPC, and outfit her with a lot of 'ware. This ends me up in say 2mil nuyen negative. I convert into 'career mode' (in this case administrative mode, really (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ), she starts the game with -37mil nuyen.

8.) More of a suggestion: It would be great if it were possible to show custom notes in the tooltip of an item. E.g.: I add a note to contact lenses, saying that those are in a particular colour. But I still have to open the notes section of this gear to access and view the note. Is it possible to show this on mouseover (no idea of the programming behind it)? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

9.) Rules question again: I noticed that endosymbionts and nano-treatments (such as Neo-EPO) are available in grades from Standard to Delta. Augmentation states that those are only available at the flat value given in the book

10.) No emotitoys? (I know, they are frowned upon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , but I had 200 nuyen to blow on one character and couldn't find them)

I hope my feedback helps and let me say again: I love this program. Thanks a lot for putting up the effort in programming and maintaining it.

#2 - I've updated the Gear data file to correct this.

#3 - Since Exotic Skills cannot have Specializations, the Specialization field is instead used to denote what the Skill is for; so you could have Exotic Melee Weapon (Whip), for example.

#4 - Coming in the next update.

#5 - Seems to be working fine to me. If you already have the Unarmed Attack Weapon selected then add the Bone Density Augmentation or change its Rating, you need to select a different Weapon, then select Unarmed Attack again so that it shows the proper value.

#6 - I can't seem to reproduce this one either. The only time something like this should happen is if you have multiple characters with unsaved changes open and choose Close All Windows from the Windows menu or try to close the application.

#7 - I'll have this fixed in the next update so that if starting Nuyen is below 0 (which will only happen for characters that ignore rules), they'll instead be put back to 0 Nuyen.

#9 - Yeah, this is a current limitation of how things are handled with Cyberware/Bioware Grades. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

#10 - Emotitoys are actually in with the Vehicles since they can be modified like Vehicles using Vehicle Mods.
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post Apr 23 2012, 11:47 PM
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In career mode, would it be possible to expand the feature of burning a point of Edge to include all of the attributes while in career mode? It's possible for magicians at least that are suffering a "crisis of faith" due to their geas to have a permanent loss to their Magic attribute, and drugs and other injuries can result in a loss of any attribute points, among a number of other possible things (like Sacrifice, SM 52).
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post Apr 23 2012, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (Fix-it @ Apr 22 2012, 09:25 PM) *
Great program, thanks for all your work.

A small feature request, however.

could we get a quantity counter for weapons in the weapons tab?

My players and I buy guns and knives in bulk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Pulled from the Chummer FAQ (which is over on the Wiki and somewhat buried - I need to add a link to it somewhere on there):

Why can't I select a quantity for a Weapon?

There are two reasons for this. One is that sooner or later, players seem to decide to modify one of those Weapons in a different manner from the rest. This would mean having to reduce the Weapon quantity, then buying a new one to take its place so that the modifications can be made. The bigger reason, however, is that once a character enters Career Mode, the Weapon's ammunition count and type can be tracked. Having a quantity on a Weapon would not allow you to accurately track and fire similar Weapons independently.


In Create Mode, however, you can setup a Weapon in the desired configuration, then use the new Copy and Paste commands to just clone it as many times as you'd like. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 24 2012, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (replicant_soul @ Apr 23 2012, 11:12 AM) *
First off all: Thx for this awesome tool!

Has anyone had any luck getting it to work under linux using mono? The main window starts, but if i choose any menu entry, the app either crashes or hangs at nearly 100%CPU. I run all the latest builds of mono and kernel, but am obviously to nooby to get anywhere on my own from here. I could post a verboose dump, if that would help...
Right now i help myself by running WinXp in a dedicated VM, but that really sucks. Especially on a crappy, underpowerd laptop.
Keep up the great work!
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mono -v chummer.exe Text dump

mono --debug Chummer.exe

I've made some changes to the Options window that will be in the next update to make it more Mono-friendly. Unfortunately this is still the least of its problems. Mono doesn't have a proper implementation of the ToolStrip and MenuStrip objects that Chummer relies upon. So when you try to create a new character or open a save file, the whole thing blows up when it tries to render them. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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post Apr 24 2012, 02:45 AM
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Crash report

I received a FormatException when loading the .chum file on another computer. I don't know why the dates are formatted differently between the two computers. I did a bit of digging and found the offending date formats

Expected <date>4/18/2012 3:38:55 PM</date>
Actual <date>23/04/2012 3:25:35 PM</date>


I try forcing the format of the DateTime to uses a specific pattern. I would recommend the Sortable ("s") Format Specifier.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/az...(v=vs.100).aspx
Hopefully that helps.

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************** Exception Text **************
System.FormatException: String was not recognized as a valid DateTime.
   at System.DateTimeParse.Parse(String s, DateTimeFormatInfo dtfi, DateTimeStyles styles)
   at Chummer.ExpenseLogEntry.Load(XmlNode objNode)
   at Chummer.Character.Load()
   at Chummer.frmMain.LoadCharacter(String strFileName, Boolean blnIncludeInMRU, String strNewName, Boolean blnClearFileName)
   at Chummer.frmMain.OpenFile(Object sender, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripButton.OnClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEventInteractive(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
   at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
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post Apr 24 2012, 04:59 AM
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QUOTE (Makki @ Apr 21 2012, 06:22 PM) *
There are groups that interprete the Black Market Pipeline quality to work during chargen. Meaning there needs to be an option to buy stuff at a 10% discount during character creation mode.

any chance this can be done soon? Putting the Markup option into Creation mode.
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post Apr 24 2012, 05:41 AM
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Thanks for the quick answer, Nebular.
You've been very helpful (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 14 2012, 10:27 PM) *
Ghost Cartels, page 160

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Huitzilopochtli Cyborg Bodyguard
   Reverse engineered from the popular Otomo model, AZT's Huitzilopochtli is a new entry into the cyborg market.
  
   Hand Accel Speed Pilot Body Armor Sensor Avail Cost
   +1   6/12  30    -     7    15    5      24R   175,000¥
   Upgrades and Mods: Armor (Concealed), Cyborg adaptation, Improved Sensor Array, Mechanical arm (2), Mimic (Rating 3), Touch Sensors


I just realized, re-examining the relevant section of Ghost Cartels, that somehow the Huitzilopochtli has a Concealed Armor rating of 15 when the max is supposed to be 10.

(And in the adventure the cyborgs are wearing body armor on top of this. Eek.)




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post Apr 24 2012, 07:01 AM
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QUOTE (Nebular @ Apr 21 2012, 09:59 AM) *
That's weird. This is another one that I can't reproduce. Could you email the save file so I can see what's going on? (nebular@shaw.ca)


Sadly, I made that post while I was playing. At the end of the session the weapon was removed as it was a loaner.
I'll add the weapon again and see if it continues to happen. If it does I'll send the email along with the character file.
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post Apr 24 2012, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Apr 24 2012, 12:45 AM) *
I just realized, re-examining the relevant section of Ghost Cartels, that somehow the Huitzilopochtli has a Concealed Armor rating of 15 when the max is supposed to be 10.

(And in the adventure the cyborgs are wearing body armor on top of this. Eek.)




-k

And the Toyota MK-Centipede has an Armor of 1 with a Body of 0. Last time I checked 0*3 >= 1 was a false statement.

I'd just chalk the error of the Azzie drone to it's creator reading the chart for Concealed Armor over the description. There it says 1-20 for Normal, Concealed, & Smart (at least, in my soft copy it does).
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post Apr 24 2012, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE (Makki @ Apr 23 2012, 11:59 PM) *
any chance this can be done soon? Putting the Markup option into Creation mode.

Hopefully, yes. It will end up being a Black Market Discount checkbox that comes up on the tab after the item has been added to the character so that you can do it at any time instead of only when the item is first purchased (and having to delete and re-add it if you forgot or take the Quality after buying some toys). There are a lot of changes to how all purchasable items calculate their total cost that needs to happen first so that this can work. I have most of that prerequisite work done.
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Having recently completed a run, my character was given a Parashield Skyspy biodrone (Augmentation 154) as a reward, unfortunately I can't find the sample biodrones and while I can make one through the critter creation option, I can't figure out how to link critters to my character.

Any advice on handling this?
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post Apr 24 2012, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (Mister Shed @ Apr 24 2012, 10:24 AM) *
Having recently completed a run, my character was given a Parashield Skyspy biodrone (Augmentation 154) as a reward, unfortunately I can't find the sample biodrones and while I can make one through the critter creation option, I can't figure out how to link critters to my character.

Any advice on handling this?

Biodrones are just heavily augmented Critters. You can create the Biodrone by creating a new Critter (in this case, you can pick a bird from the Mundane Critters category since the description doesn't say which type exactly), and giving it the appropriate Attributes, Skills, and Cyberware.
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post Apr 24 2012, 09:34 PM
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Build 375
  • Qualities can now add Weapons to the character when selected
  • added Create Natural Weapon to the context menu for the Weapons button which allows character to create Natural Weapons that can come from other sources such as Critter Powers
  • added an option to print Notes as part of the printout XML
  • Shadowrun 4 Base and Commlink sheets now print Notes for most major items when the option is enabled
  • Gear can now be copied from Armor, Weapons, and Vehicles
  • Weapons can now be copied from Vehicles
  • Armor Mods, Weapon Mods, Weapon Accessories, and Gear Plugins are now responsible for calculating their own total cost
  • cost of selected Weapon Accessories and Weapon Mods should now be correct when their cost is based on a formula including the Weapon's cost
  • Armor Mods that use a formula to calculate their price now show their total price when selected instead of the formula used
  • Weapon Accessories now include any Gear plugins in their total cost
  • Cyberware Plugins now include any Gear plugins in their total cost
  • equipping Armor now only re-creates Improvements for Armor Mods and Armor Gear that are equipped
  • equipping Armor Mods and Armor Gear now only re-creates Improvements if the Armor they're attached to is also equipped
  • Enter and Escape keys now work in the Select Martial Art Advantage window
  • characters that ignore rules and move to Career Mode will now start with 0 Nuyen instead of a large negative number
  • added Black Market Pipeline Discount checkboxes to the Cyberware, Armor, Weapons, Gear, and Vehicle tab in Create Mode which reduce the cost of the selected item by 10% which appear when the character gains the Black Market Pipeline Quality
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  • Message_CannotRemoveQualityWeapon
  • MessageTitle_CannotRemoveQualityWeapon
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  • Menu_AddNaturalWeapon
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QUOTE (Nebular @ Apr 24 2012, 04:21 PM) *
Biodrones are just heavily augmented Critters. You can create the Biodrone by creating a new Critter (in this case, you can pick a bird from the Mundane Critters category since the description doesn't say which type exactly), and giving it the appropriate Attributes, Skills, and Cyberware.

How would I go about linking it (or just a critter in general) to my character then?
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My first thought would be to try the Contacts section on the Common tab.

Could also be helpful having a "Pets" tab in the Street Gear section. Not to detail the pets, but to have a [maybe] better place to list and organize one's pets, and have links to their files.
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Any chance of adding in the Alternate Infected types on page 79 of the Runners Companion?
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Aside from the names of the qualities themselves, the critter powers the Infected grant can be edited. The addition of Astral Projection and Reach +1 are all that seem to be missing from the list of critter powers to duplicate the alternate infected.
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post Apr 25 2012, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (Overmind.900 @ Apr 23 2012, 08:45 PM) *
Crash report

I received a FormatException when loading the .chum file on another computer. I don't know why the dates are formatted differently between the two computers. I did a bit of digging and found the offending date formats

Expected <date>4/18/2012 3:38:55 PM</date>
Actual <date>23/04/2012 3:25:35 PM</date>


I try forcing the format of the DateTime to uses a specific pattern. I would recommend the Sortable ("s") Format Specifier.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/az...(v=vs.100).aspx
Hopefully that helps.

Yeah, using a standardised format a better way of handling it instead of using the en-US CultureInfo to try and force it into a format when saving. I'll have this in the next update.
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QUOTE (redwulf25 @ Apr 24 2012, 06:35 PM) *
Any chance of adding in the Alternate Infected types on page 79 of the Runners Companion?

I've updated the Qualities file to include the Alternate Infected (Abat, Amalanhig, Busaw, Gaki, Penanggalan, Sasobonsam, and Sukuyan).
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I've just updated to the latest chummer build 375 and now I allways get unhandled exception errors when I add armor mods to an armor.

Here's the error string:
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QUOTE (CeeJay @ Apr 25 2012, 08:12 AM) *
I've just updated to the latest chummer build 375 and now I allways get unhandled exception errors when I add armor mods to an armor.

Here's the error string:

-CJ

Aw crap. This has to do with the individual items now calculating their prices and Armor Mods not being told how to handle their Rating. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) The error should only happen with Armor Mods that have a Rating; you should still be able to add ones with a fixed price. I'll put out another update this evening to fix this.
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Build 376
  • dates for Expenses are now saved in a standardised format, regardless of system settings, to make them easier to load and move between systems that may have different date settings
  • list items with Notes (such as Qualities and Gear) now show their Notes in a tooltip when hovered over
  • Gear that use a formula to calculate their price now show their total price instead of the formula used when selected on the Armor tab
  • fixed an issue where Armor Mods with a Rating would throw an error when trying to calculate their cost
  • added support for <forcegrade /> to Cyberware since certain items (namely all Transgenics) are limited to a single Grade
  • Armor Gear and Weapon Gear are no longer limited to how many layers deep they can go
  • Gear can now be added to Vehicle Weapon Accessories
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QUOTE (ShadowWalker @ Apr 24 2012, 02:01 AM) *
Sadly, I made that post while I was playing. At the end of the session the weapon was removed as it was a loaner.
I'll add the weapon again and see if it continues to happen. If it does I'll send the email along with the character file.


Well I can no longer reproduce the problem.
May be it was related to the weapon having been added before the changes to add grenade launchers to weapons that have them as a default.
But all seems to be working correctly now.

I was wondering though. Was there not a change a while back that added the ammo's location as part of the reload window?
I noticed while I was trying to reproduce this problem that my ammo wasn't showing it's location. Is it possible that this is because I have the ammo linked to spare clips?
Makes it easier for me to keep track of how many clips a character has, and how much ammo is in each one as the clips are swapped.
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In making a new character I found something that I'd call an error in mechanics. The character was planned on having a holdout pistol in a hidden arm slide. Now I know that holdouts are listed in Arsenal as being unable to mount any accessories, but would it be possible to group a few non-mounted kind of accessories in another fashion? A quick-draw holster, concealable holster, and hidden arm slide are some that seem would be quite natural to use with holdout pistols.
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