Chummer Character Generator, Thread #2 Options

[phlapjack77]

There might be a problem with spell drain calculation? When I choose a spell normally, the DV shows up correctly. If I choose a spell and make it a limited spell, the DV is 2 higher than it should be.

[SpellBinder]

Yup, did a test of my own (combat LOS area elemental), and the +2 for Limited showed up in the DV value (F/2+7 instead of F/2+5) instead of the Resist Drain (10 instead of 12; resistance attributes are both 5, no other qualities) where Limited spells give their benefit.

[The Wrestling Tr...]

Hi Nebular!

Found a little bug!
Somehow the armormodification "feywear (glamour)" doesn't add the +3 dice bonus to social skills. And you don't have to pay Karma to bind them!
(Attitude, page 157) In the rules it says:

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"Most feywear gives the wearer the quality glamour. other possibilities include qualities such as inspired, Magic Resistance, or trustworthy. the price of feywear is in both Karma (twice BP of Quality) and cash (10,000 x BP in nuyen). Paying the karmic cost binds the feywear to the owner like foci. as with magical compounds (p. 88, Street Magic)[...]"

So could you add somekind of menu where you can choose a positive quality being added to the "feywear" item?
That way I could chose the armor mod feywear and attach a quality to it. Binding them shouldn't be a problem since you could handle them like foci and add them to the gears tab?

[Nebular]

There might be a problem with spell drain calculation? When I choose a spell normally, the DV shows up correctly. If I choose a spell and make it a limited spell, the DV is 2 higher than it should be.

Yup, did a test of my own (combat LOS area elemental), and the +2 for Limited showed up in the DV value (F/2+7 instead of F/2+5) instead of the Resist Drain (10 instead of 12; resistance attributes are both 5, no other qualities) where Limited spells give their benefit.

What the hell was I thinking?! Yeah, a Limited Spell should add +2 to the Drain Resistance Dice Pool, not increase the Spell's DV by +2. I had it right in my head but did completely the wrong thing in the code. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) I'll have this fixed in the next update which will be either this evening or tomorrow evening.

[Nebular]

Hi Nebular!

Found a little bug!
Somehow the armormodification "feywear (glamour)" doesn't add the +3 dice bonus to social skills. And you don't have to pay Karma to bind them!
(Attitude, page 157) In the rules it says:

[ Spoiler ]

"Most feywear gives the wearer the quality glamour. other possibilities include qualities such as inspired, Magic Resistance, or trustworthy. the price of feywear is in both Karma (twice BP of Quality) and cash (10,000 x BP in nuyen). Paying the karmic cost binds the feywear to the owner like foci. as with magical compounds (p. 88, Street Magic)[...]"

So could you add somekind of menu where you can choose a positive quality being added to the "feywear" item?
That way I could chose the armor mod feywear and attach a quality to it. Binding them shouldn't be a problem since you could handle them like foci and add them to the gears tab?

I've updated the Armor data file to add the bonus to Feywear (Glamour) and add the additional examples listed in the book. For the Kara Costs, those will need to be done as manual Karma Expenses for the time being.

[Nebular]

Build 383

• when creating a character with Karma, the cost for Special Attributes is now included in the maximum cost calculation as per RC 42
• fixed an issue where Spells were not being translated when loading a saved character
• Spirit and Sprite names are now properly translated when adding a new Spirit or Sprite to a character and use the proper Critter Metatype when creating a linked Critter
• fixed an issue where clicking the Add & More button in the Select Weapon Accessory window would throw an error when trying to add additional Accessory to a non-Vehicle-mounted Weapon
• fixed an issue where the Advanced Lifestyles window would put some Lifestyles into the High category instead of Middle if their LP fell within a certain range
• corrected a stupid mistake where Limited Spells were adding +2 to their DV instead of +2 to the Resistance Dice Pool

[Neko Asakami]

Glad I could help nab that bug with lifestyles, Nebular!

Problem now is when I load the character (after the latest updates), I get the following crash message: "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." Below is what I assume to be the relevant error text.

[ Spoiler ]

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Chummer.SpiritControl.cboSpiritName_SelectedIndexChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ComboBox.OnSelectedIndexChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ComboBox.set_SelectedIndex(Int32 value)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListControl.set_SelectedValue(Object value)
at Chummer.SpiritControl.RebuildSpiritList(String strTradition)
at Chummer.frmCreate.frmCreate_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

I do have a custom Magical Tradition, which is what I think is causing it. It was working just fine before, did you change formatting for it?

[Sengir]

I do have a custom Magical Tradition, which is what I think is causing it. It was working just fine before, did you change formatting for it?

I'm getting the same problem with a TM that has no custom stuff whatsoever. Interestingly enough only with that character, which I just edited yesterday, not with any other sheets that were last edited in older versions. Can provide the .chum file if required

[SpellBinder]

I'm getting mixed results as well. A career mode magician lost her tradition (but not her spells) as well as everything in the "Karma and Nuyen" tab, Custom Lifestyle & Gear (but not Armor & Weapons), Vehicles, and Skills cannot be filtered (but otherwise appear to be fine); there might be more she's missing. The pre-career mode file loads just fine.

Note that this doesn't apply to another magician character I activated to career mode, nor to the first magician's file I activate to career mode. I think this is limited to just magician characters, though sadly I don't have any that don't have limited spells that were career active under a previous file version. I only have two cybered characters and a TM (all with custom content) outside the magician, and only the magician gives any errors.

[Hellfire]

Hi Nebular,

with the latest version I also seem to have problems when opening some older characters, every time on opening an error comes up:

[ Spoiler ]

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Chummer.SpiritControl.cboSpiritName_SelectedIndexChanged(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ComboBox.OnSelectedIndexChanged(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ComboBox.set_SelectedIndex(Int32 value)
at System.Windows.Forms.ListControl.set_SelectedValue(Object value)
at Chummer.SpiritControl.RebuildSpiritList(String strTradition)
at Chummer.frmCareer.frmCareer_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnCreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl(Boolean fIgnoreVisible)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.CreateControl()
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WmShowWindow(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Form.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.261 (RTMGDR.030319-2600)
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll
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Chummer
Assembly Version: 0.0.0.383
Win32 Version: 0.0.0.383
CodeBase: file:///E:/Other%20RPG/Shadowrun%204th%20Edition/Chummer/Chummer.exe
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System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.235 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.276 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
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System
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.261 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Xml
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.233 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
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System.Core
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.233 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/Windows/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

I don't know what the problem is. It happened on magicians, technomancers, mystic adept but not on every one of my characters...

I think it has something to do with bound spirits or sprites, as all of them are lost when the character is opened.

[Nebular]

Holy crap! Sorry guys, not sure how I let that one slip by! It has to do with a change I made to add translation support to the Spirit/Sprite list.

Build 384

• fixed an issue where the Spirit/Sprite control would throw an error when loading a saved character or attempting to add a new Spirit/Sprite

[The Wrestling Tr...]

Hi nebular!

Got a quick question about mentor spirits!

Couldn't you add a mentor spirit that has 2 dropdown menu's with all the possible bonuses to chose from?
That way it would be easily possible to add a custom mentor spirit without changing stuff in XML (since I'm a total noob at that) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

At the moment if I want to use a custom tradition i just pick one with the drainstats I want and write the stuff about the tradition into the char details. But it would be nice if there was an easy way to add a tradition with self chosen drainstats.

But only if it doesn't bother you too much adding that stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Nebular]

Hi nebular!

Got a quick question about mentor spirits!

Couldn't you add a mentor spirit that has 2 dropdown menu's with all the possible bonuses to chose from?
That way it would be easily possible to add a custom mentor spirit without changing stuff in XML (since I'm a total noob at that) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

At the moment if I want to use a custom tradition i just pick one with the drainstats I want and write the stuff about the tradition into the char details. But it would be nice if there was an easy way to add a tradition with self chosen drainstats.

But only if it doesn't bother you too much adding that stuff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Mentor Spirits do allow 2 dropdowns with choices. Sun is a good example on setting up 2 sets of choices.

[Nebular]

The Armor, Books, Critters, Cyberware, Gear, Powers, Spells, Vehicles, and Weapons data files have all been updated to include the new content from Hazard Pay.

[SpellBinder]

In SR4a, on page 239, it's stated that Technomancers use the skills in the Cracking and Electronics skill groups differently from other hackers, but can learn them if they want. It wasn't too difficult to make a custom file of my own to help represent this (I just copied the skills into a new XML and put "Technomancer" in parenthesis after the groups & names), and have thought it might be a good idea to implement this mainstream. It'll be particularly helpful to those players who actually happen to make a character with the "Latent Technomancer" quality to differentiate the mundane skills from the TM skills of the same name since these are technically two different skill groups.

[mister__joshua]

Is there a way to make Chummer update through a proxy server? Or does it already support this and my setting are messing it up? Cheers

[mister__joshua]

Is there a way to make Chummer update through a proxy server? Or does it already support this and my setting are messing it up? Cheers

Forget that, I've fixed it. Wasn't a Chummer problem.

I am having another problem though. I've just opened up my character I made last week and all of his free knowledge skills have vanished. It seems to remember what I put as the greyed out skill next to the Add button is Local Area:Seattle with a Puyallup specialism, which was my top listed knowledge skill, but it has no rating and all of my other Knowledges are missing

[Hellfire]

the chummergen website seems to be down, I am getting an error "The interface is unknown. "

[The Wrestling Tr...]

If you implant a grapple gun you can't select it as a weapon as described in Shadowrun Corebook p. 337

Should be a Weapon with 5s damage, Singleshot, 1(m) ammo

[Hellfire]

One thing I just noticed: the Defiance EX Shock Taser should also be useable as a melee weapon (I guess it should be a club), can you perhaps add a melee weapon stat for 0 NY, so that it is selectable and shows in the melee weapon box when printing out the character?

[Hellfire]

Somehow the Chummer version on the website is still the .383 version and not the current .384.
I guess that is due to the website crash?

[Sengir]

I found another "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" error. This time it happens when I slect the weapon mount on a Doberman with a weapon installed
:

CODE

System.NullReferenceException:  Objektverweis wurde nicht auf eine Objektinstanz festgelegt. (The object reference was not set to an instance of an object)
   bei Chummer.frmCreate.RefreshSelectedVehicle()
   bei Chummer.frmCreate.treVehicles_AfterSelect(Object sender, TreeViewEventArgs e)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.OnAfterSelect(TreeViewEventArgs e)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.TvnSelected(NMTREEVIEW* nmtv)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.WmNotify(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.WndProc(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Edit: There also is something seriously wrong with your calculation of Contact BP costs. Adding a contact costs nothing (Connection 1 + Loyalty 1 should already cost 2), and somehow improvements of the first Contact I add cost nothing until I add Group Contact Options (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

[SpellBinder]

Regarding the Contacts, might wanna check your Options and make sure that the "Free Contact Points" box under "House Rules" isn't checked (I don't know German, so I don't know what the translation will be). If it is, you get free BP equal to twice your character's Charisma attribute towards the purchase of contacts.

[Sengir]

Regarding the Contacts, might wanna check your Options and make sure that the "Free Contact Points" box under "House Rules" isn't checked (I don't know German, so I don't know what the translation will be). If it is, you get free BP equal to twice your character's Charisma attribute towards the purchase of contacts.

DOH, still had this checked from another game

[SpellBinder]

If you're using different rule sets for different games (these are in the "settings" folder, not the "data" folder), you can create different defaults for the characters. Hard part is that this is set during creation, and you'd have to directly edit the .CHUM file afterwards (doable with any basic text editor like Notepad.exe).