Chummer Character Generator, Thread #2 Options

[Nebular]

When I try to add Martial Arts to a character - pre-existing or new - I click on the Add Martial Art button, the little window pops up where you're supposed to select your style, but it's empty, and the Source: line stays blank. If I try to add the Black Belt Skill PACK to anything, the whole program chokes on an Exception Error. There's a martialarts.xml file in the Data directory, but I have no idea if it's corrupted or not... I've had the same issue pulling down the 399 version several times on several machines. Am I doing this wrong, or is it a bug?

My first guess would be that you may not have enabled any of the sourcebooks that include Martial Arts. All of the windows will only show content from the books you have enabled; by default, only the SR4 book is enabled which doesn't include Martial Arts. If you go to the Tools menu > Options, you can turn on the sourcebooks you'd like to use. When you restart Chummer after selecting the books (specifically Arsenal), you should see the list of Martial Arts.

[Nebular]

I guess I consider that to be too literal an interpretation for my tastes. Might I at least suggest a selection in your 'house rule' section of the program for it?

I'll have this in the next update.

[Nebular]

I have a small issue, it keeps trying to use logic + hacking instead of program + hacking, I've tried the house rules window, what did i do wrong?

Which tab are you looking at? On the Skills tab it will always use LOG since the Skills tab is just to show the Skill's value itself. On the Complex Forms tab, after you select a Complex Form, you should be able to select an Active Skill from the list next to Dice Pool which should give you the proper value of Hacking Rating + Complex Form Rating. The alternate behaviour of Skill Rating + Attribute (no Complex Form Rating) will only occur if you have enabled the Use alternate Matrix Attribute (UN 39) option in the Options window (and restarted the application to pick up the change).

[Nebular]

Found another bug. At least I'm pretty sure it's a bug. I'm initiating my mystic adept and it's only letting me raise the Magician side of the MAG attribute to 6. I initiate to, say, 10 and Magician is still limited to 6. I can go in notepad and manually change it, and the program is fine after that (at least I think so, haven't initiated again) but I thought I'd bring this to your attention in case I'm either doing something wrong or this is indeed a bug.

Definitely a bug! Apparently the MAG split thing doesn't recognise Initiation until you close and re-open the save file. This only seems to be affecting Career Mode. I'll have this fixed in next update.

[Nebular]

So I'm looking at a Technomancer I made, and he's in career mode. I looked at the Complex Forms tab, and I clicked on one of the forms (Smartlink 1), and the drop down list for Dice Pool defaults to...Aeronautics Mechanic? Wait, that can't be right, can it?

I clicked on several other Complex Forms the character has, and the drop down for Dice Pools defaults to...Aeronautics Mechanic? Again?

If Complex Forms work the same as normal programs, then shouldn't the Dice Pool be set based on the base skill associated with the form? For example, Attack should fall under Cybercombat (if I'm correct, and I could be wrong), so shouldn't the dice pool default to Cybercombat and not Aeronautics Mechanic?

As ChatNoir said, it's largely due to a Complex Form having a "commonly used" Skill instead of "always used" Skill; there may be situations where another Skill might be called for. That said, I do like the idea of at least selecting the commonly used Skill by default. I'll have this in the next update. If the common use Skill is "Varies", however, then it will just grab the first Skill in the list.

[Nebular]

I have a small problem with the career mode of chummer

Once you spent Karma on a Spell and you press "save" you can't undo that expense at a later point. There's always the message "no undo history for this item"

This is very annoying since I had to redo a whole char only because i took the wrong spell and pressed save by accident :/

Hope you can fix that!

Yikes! That's supposed to already be there! All of the code to perform the undo is there, but it's not actually attaching the undo history info to the Expense. I'll have this fixed in the next update!

[Nebular]

Bugs:

1. Hardliner gloves won't calculate their dicepool properly for using unarmed combat unless you change the datafile entry for them to actually ~be~ unarmed instead of 'exotic melee weapon'.
2. For the Vashon Island Synergist Business Line of armored clothing, the Suit jacket and Longcoat are missing their concealable holsters, and the Longcoat is missing its +2 concealability.
3. Free Spirit's 10% discount on lifestile costs shouldn't be getting applied to advanced lifestyles.

I'll have the Hardliner Gloves piece fixed in the next update. This is affecting all Exotic Weapons that use a Skill other than the standard Exotic Melee Weapon or Exotic Ranged Weapon Skills.

As for the Vashon Island pieces, these should already have the Conceal modifiers applied to them. Since Armor cannot be pre-equipped with Gear (as in the Concealable Holsters), they instead just have a flat modifier to Concealability. The Suit Jacket should have a -2 bonus to Concealability while the Longcoat should have a -4 bonus to Concealability.

I'll have to think about the Free Spirit Lifestyle cost a bit. It's another one of those wacky little exceptions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Gomez Addams]

My first guess would be that you may not have enabled any of the sourcebooks that include Martial Arts. All of the windows will only show content from the books you have enabled; by default, only the SR4 book is enabled which doesn't include Martial Arts. If you go to the Tools menu > Options, you can turn on the sourcebooks you'd like to use. When you restart Chummer after selecting the books (specifically Arsenal), you should see the list of Martial Arts.

Derp. That is precisely correct - I completely forgot that MA was added in sourcebooks. Much obliged.

[Nebular]

Another suggestion: I'd love to have a lucifer lamp flashlight option for mounting on weapons~
Also, on that note, lucifer lamp bulbs should have a rating, and their price = rating x 100.

I've updated the Weapons and Gear data files to add these.

[Nebular]

The Vehicles data file has been updated to include the content from the German edition of the Runner's Black Book. Many thanks to Jan for providing the list of goodies! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[valavaern]

I'll have the Hardliner Gloves piece fixed in the next update. This is affecting all Exotic Weapons that use a Skill other than the standard Exotic Melee Weapon or Exotic Ranged Weapon Skills.

Cool. For now, I just over-wrote them to be unarmed combat weapons... which wouldn't be a bad thing to do in chummer, either, since calling them an exotic weapon seems like it was a bit of a catagorization derp on the publisher's part in the first place. :/

...Since Armor cannot be pre-equipped with Gear...

Ummm... yes they can...
<gears>
<usergear>Concealable Holster</usergear>
</gears>
is all it takes... :x I already edited my data file, and it works perfectly~ There are a couple of of other 'jackets' that come with holsters that you'll want to add in... I think the Actioneer Suit has one in fact. :x

I'll have to think about the Free Spirit Lifestyle cost a bit. It's another one of those wacky little exceptions. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yeah, I figured that'd be the trickiest one to use...

[valavaern]

Another request for house rules/feature to be included: the ability to create bioware suites/packages just like you can for cyberware~

[All4BigGuns]

*twitches as he waits for SR2050 to enter the program*

[Scarecrow]

My first guess would be that you may not have enabled any of the sourcebooks that include Martial Arts. All of the windows will only show content from the books you have enabled; by default, only the SR4 book is enabled which doesn't include Martial Arts. If you go to the Tools menu > Options, you can turn on the sourcebooks you'd like to use. When you restart Chummer after selecting the books (specifically Arsenal), you should see the list of Martial Arts.

Any chance of changing this so that you don't have to restart Chummer to see the options selected? It's not that big of a deal to have to restart the application, but it would be nice if we didn't have to.

[All4BigGuns]

Any chance of changing this so that you don't have to restart Chummer to see the options selected? It's not that big of a deal to have to restart the application, but it would be nice if we didn't have to.

I haven't had to restart the entire program to do it, just close and reopen the character window.

[Chance359]

I've got "Attitude" checked as an available book, but Chummer isn't showing some of the armor options (carbon-boron, kevlar threading ect). Did I miss something?

[Scarecrow]

I've got "Attitude" checked as an available book, but Chummer isn't showing some of the armor options (carbon-boron, kevlar threading ect). Did I miss something?

They are, technically and according to the book, armor mods that can be added to clothing and other armors. If you add, say, clothing, and then add an armor mod you'll see that they are there.

[valavaern]

They are, technically and according to the book, armor mods that can be added to clothing and other armors. If you add, say, clothing, and then add an armor mod you'll see that they are there.

Yeah, they'll only show up for stuff in the 'clothing' catagory of armor.

[All4BigGuns]

Yeah, they'll only show up for stuff in the 'clothing' catagory of armor.

It really should be able to go on to the Lined Coat and stuff like that though. The interpretation of just being the 'business suit' "armors" and the specific "Armored Clothing" item is quite honestly too strict an interpretation.

[Chance359]

I'd suggest allowing it for only the basic armors listed in the core book.

[All4BigGuns]

I'd suggest allowing it for only the basic armors listed in the core book.

I respectfully disagree. I think it should be allowed for anything that looks like clothing.

[bannockburn]

It really should be able to go on to the Lined Coat and stuff like that though. The interpretation of just being the 'business suit' "armors" and the specific "Armored Clothing" item is quite honestly too strict an interpretation.

It is not 'too strict'. It is quite specific.

Most clothing does not come with any ballistic or impact protection, but new techniques allow for some protection. Carbon-boron infusion, Kevlar threading, and Delta-amyloid coatings are available. (Layered protection rules still apply). these modifi cations can be added to regular clothing or to armor clothing (p. 326, SR4A)

Just wanting it, doesn't make it so.

[Chance359]

Fair enough, i just wish if they're going to introduce something like that, a bit more explanation should be in order. I also dis like the fact that in over a year since Attitude was release, there has been no official answer to this.

A possible answer

[All4BigGuns]

It just makes no sense that they can't be applied to a Lined Coat or something similar.

[Nebular]

Ummm... yes they can...
<gears>
<usergear>Concealable Holster</usergear>
</gears>
is all it takes... :x I already edited my data file, and it works perfectly~ There are a couple of of other 'jackets' that come with holsters that you'll want to add in... I think the Actioneer Suit has one in fact. :x

Huh, shows how long it's been since I worked on that bit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I thought I had looked through the data file and couldn't find any case of Gear being included and didn't see it in the code. No idea how I completely overlooked that. I'll have this added to the Armor file in the next update.