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Boomer1985
post Mar 16 2012, 05:15 AM
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I did a search for this and havent really seen an answer for it.

Can an adept use critical strike with the hardliner gloves in arsenal?

My view is that they are both part of unarmed combat so yes but i cna see the argument either way. There wont be any houseruling for this so i would like to stick as close to the books as possible.

And before you accuse me of so i am a slight powergamer but i play w/ other powergamers and i would love for these to stack so i can get those gloves as weapon foci.
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post Mar 16 2012, 06:13 AM
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QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 01:48 PM) *
Throw a Possession Spirit or a Inhabiation Spirit into the item. It increases all of the items attributes/stats by its force as well as making practically indestructible and giving you access to whatever powers the spirit has like Movment or Magical Guard.


QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 02:04 PM) *
Okay what you do is cast Improve Reflexes at F1, you take your dice (10 or whatever) and add your edge into the roll. As per Shadowrun's own rules, because you added edge you are now allowed to bypass the 1 hit restriction on a F1 spell. You then get say...6 hits. This gives you +6 to Initiative and 4 Passes, you can now place your F1 spell with 6 hits into a F1 Sustaining Focus for 10k Nuyen.

Not everybody agrees these ideas are actual rules or allowed. Boomer, make sure to ask your GM how he feels about this.

QUOTE (Boomer1985 @ Mar 16 2012, 02:01 PM) *
The adept version isnt castable it only affects u and is always on so from what i can see in this one case its actually better to go bioware

just cost a frikking lot of money to do it right

Many people think phys ad + bioware is really the "best" option, so if you like the actual character idea, go with it. You can fit a lot of useful cyber + bio in one Essence point, esp. if you take the Biocompatibility quality. If you don't want to sacrifice essense, see if your GM will allow the Way of the Adept book, then pick up The Warriors Way quality, add a geas to the Increase Reflexes ability, and the PP cost is a lot lower. And if you're using the Adepts Ways and using cyber/bio, the Burnouts Way gives even more essence-loss reductions.*

*so I hear - don't have the book myself...
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- Boomer1985   Unarmed adept   Mar 16 2012, 05:15 AM
- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Boomer1985 @ Mar 16 2012, 12:15 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 05:29 AM
- - BishopMcQ   Because they are listed as items, the consensus mo...   Mar 16 2012, 05:32 AM
- - Boomer1985   Yeah i was afraid of that basiclly you cant focus ...   Mar 16 2012, 05:41 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Boomer1985 @ Mar 16 2012, 12:41 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 05:42 AM
|- - Boomer1985   QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 12:42 AM) ...   Mar 16 2012, 05:47 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Boomer1985 @ Mar 16 2012, 12:47 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 05:48 AM
|- - Boomer1985   QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 12:48 AM) ...   Mar 16 2012, 05:53 AM
||- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Boomer1985 @ Mar 16 2012, 12:53 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 05:56 AM
|- - The Jake   QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 06:48 AM) ...   Mar 16 2012, 06:20 AM
- - Boomer1985   The adept version isnt castable it only affects u ...   Mar 16 2012, 06:01 AM
- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 01:48 PM) ...   Mar 16 2012, 06:13 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Indeed, phlapjack. QUOTE If the vessel is inanim...   Mar 16 2012, 06:26 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 01:26 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 06:38 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 12:38 AM) ...   Mar 16 2012, 03:14 PM
- - phlapjack77   A good thread about possession and items (some goo...   Mar 16 2012, 06:46 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 16 2012, 01:46 A...   Mar 16 2012, 06:48 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It's not obvious to everyone. I've seen m...   Mar 16 2012, 06:48 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 01:48 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 06:50 AM
- - Makki   for an unarmed adept I recommend the Kick-Attack M...   Mar 16 2012, 07:01 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Makki @ Mar 16 2012, 02:01 AM) for...   Mar 16 2012, 07:02 AM
- - Yerameyahu   You can also just ask the GM to allow your Hardlin...   Mar 16 2012, 07:08 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 02:08 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 07:11 AM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Ragewind @ Mar 16 2012, 03:11 PM) ...   Mar 16 2012, 07:16 AM
|- - Ragewind   QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 16 2012, 02:16 A...   Mar 16 2012, 07:19 AM
- - Yerameyahu   No, it's a comment that comes at the end of a ...   Mar 16 2012, 07:14 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Personally, I don't mind. Language is my favor...   Mar 16 2012, 07:19 AM
- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 03:19 PM...   Mar 16 2012, 07:26 AM
- - UmaroVI   The real problem with that "edge on a f1 sust...   Mar 16 2012, 10:35 AM
- - Yerameyahu   It's got more than enough drawbacks… if the GM...   Mar 16 2012, 03:08 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 09:08 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 03:15 PM
- - Irion   QUOTE Edge Bypassing force is actually the rule, n...   Mar 16 2012, 05:06 PM
- - JonathanC   So, wait....if Hardliner gloves are generally unde...   Mar 16 2012, 05:22 PM
- - Mickle5125   I've ruled that you can get the weapon focus e...   Mar 16 2012, 05:24 PM
|- - phlapjack77   QUOTE (Mickle5125 @ Mar 17 2012, 01:24 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 06:31 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes, JonathanC, except for the GM houseruling thin...   Mar 16 2012, 05:44 PM
- - almost normal   You really don't need the weapon focus. Use el...   Mar 16 2012, 06:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Sure, or light, sound, whatever. (Bleh, element cr...   Mar 16 2012, 06:31 PM
|- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 11:31 AM...   Mar 16 2012, 06:32 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yeah, I feel like it's a fair-ish tradeoff: yo...   Mar 16 2012, 06:36 PM
|- - almost normal   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 16 2012, 01:36 PM...   Mar 16 2012, 06:41 PM
|- - Angelone   QUOTE (almost normal @ Mar 16 2012, 01:41...   Mar 16 2012, 07:52 PM
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|- - Kolinho   QUOTE (Neraph @ Mar 18 2012, 04:20 PM) Th...   Mar 18 2012, 05:43 PM
|- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Kolinho @ Mar 18 2012, 01:43 PM) S...   Mar 21 2012, 03:15 PM
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- - Shortstraw   It's like art history!   Mar 17 2012, 01:13 PM
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- - Angelone   Ragewind's suggestions are helpful, they give ...   Mar 18 2012, 06:34 PM
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- - VykosDarkSoul   We can parry and riposte back and forth all day ab...   Mar 20 2012, 03:27 PM
- - Irion   @VykosDarkSoul The problem with this view is, that...   Mar 20 2012, 04:03 PM
- - The Wrestling Troll   If you want to boost your damage value as a melee ...   Mar 20 2012, 06:03 PM
- - VykosDarkSoul   I believe Muy Thai offers the same benefits as Box...   Mar 20 2012, 06:20 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (VykosDarkSoul @ Mar 20 2012, 11:20...   Mar 20 2012, 06:22 PM
- - The Wrestling Troll   don't forget that martial arts count toward po...   Mar 20 2012, 06:30 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (VykosDarkSoul @ Mar 20 2012, 08:27...   Mar 21 2012, 05:26 AM
|- - Kolinho   QUOTE (Glyph @ Mar 21 2012, 05:26 AM) It ...   Mar 21 2012, 11:02 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Glyph @ Mar 20 2012, 11:26 PM) 15 ...   Mar 21 2012, 01:28 PM
- - The Wrestling Troll   If you take changeling you can also take the posit...   Mar 21 2012, 10:53 AM
- - VykosDarkSoul   QUOTE I also roleplay like crazy - even my most po...   Mar 21 2012, 03:25 PM
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|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ Mar 21 2012, 08:41 ...   Mar 21 2012, 04:18 PM
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|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Chainsaw Samurai @ Mar 21 2012, 03...   Mar 21 2012, 09:48 PM
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|- - Chainsaw Samurai   QUOTE (Kolinho @ Mar 21 2012, 02:49 PM) G...   Mar 21 2012, 10:16 PM
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|- - toturi   QUOTE (Kolinho @ Mar 22 2012, 06:20 AM) A...   Mar 22 2012, 02:42 AM
|- - Kolinho   QUOTE (toturi @ Mar 22 2012, 02:42 AM) I ...   Mar 22 2012, 11:50 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (toturi @ Mar 21 2012, 07:42 PM) I ...   Mar 22 2012, 04:50 PM
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- - Irion   @Chainsaw Samurai But now you have to think ahead....   Mar 22 2012, 06:51 AM
- - Yerameyahu   toturi, the problem is also that they're a tea...   Mar 22 2012, 06:20 PM
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