Vampires at night, It burns like the power of a billion suns! Options

[Stahlseele]

OK, i am tired and bored . .
If Vampires burn in Sunlight . .
And Moonlight is just reflected Sunlight . .
Should they not burn at night too?

Also, if this does not work:
Look up. Into the sky. No, not the moon.
There's stars out there. Billions. Each star is a sun.
Vampires should burn at night with the power of a billion suns, right? O.o

[Starmage21]

OK, i am tired and bored . .
If Vampires burn in Sunlight . .
And Moonlight is just reflected Sunlight . .
Should they not burn at night too?

Also, if this does not work:
Look up. Into the sky. No, not the moon.
There's stars out there. Billions. Each star is a sun.
Vampires should burn at night with the power of a billion suns, right? O.o

Vampires werent even vulnerable to sunlight until they needed a means of killing Orlock in the old Nosferatu movie.

[Hamsnibit]

Unfortunately i cant find the post, but IIRC a dev posted a while ago that only the direct, unreflected light of our sun (sol) would damage critter/people with the Allgery: Sunlight weakness.

That means no UV-Fleshlights, moonburns or satellites with giant mirrors as weapons of mass destruction against Asamondo.

Now you may discuss how "direct" the sunlight is when it has passed the atmosphere while i search further for the quote.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Unfortunately i cant find the post, but IIRC a dev posted a while ago that only the direct, unreflected light of our sun (sol) would damage critter/people with the Allgery: Sunlight weakness.

So, in theory, could some critter have Allergy (Light of Wolf 359) or something? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That means no UV-Fleshlights, moonburns or satellites with giant mirrors as weapons of mass destruction against Asamondo.

Where do I get one of those? I'm guessing that some critter has like, the opposite of an Allergy drawback to UV radiation?

Now you may discuss how "direct" the sunlight is when it has passed the atmosphere while i search further for the quote.

Perhaps it's only the light of Sol filtered through Earth's manasphere? Can a Vampire take a spacewalk without any problems, then?

[BishopMcQ]

What about the noon day sun and a mirror to shine it on the vampire hiding in a warehouse? It's reflected, but not any more so than any of the myriad other ways like gets bent and refracted.

Or is a vampire underwater safe since the light is being refracted by the water's surface?

[Stahlseele]

UV-Fleshlights

Please.
Tell me that's a typo.
Don't google it.

[ShadowDragon8685]

What about the noon day sun and a mirror to shine it on the vampire hiding in a warehouse? It's reflected, but not any more so than any of the myriad other ways like gets bent and refracted.

Or is a vampire underwater safe since the light is being refracted by the water's surface?

Judging by that "not reflected" thing, a vampire would be perfectly safe if he inhabited a building lit by natural sunlight piped in via fiber-optic cables; the light is, after all, being reflected through the cables. Hell, if you get windows that diffuse the light enough...

Please.
Tell me that's a typo.
Don't google it.

It's too awesome a typo to be a typo. I think he's onto something there.

[Tanegar]

I prefer to think of the vampiric weakness to sunlight as a mystic rather than purely physiological phenomenon. Vampires are creatures of death, therefore the light of the sun (ultimate source of life) is intolerable to them. At night, the sun sleeps, and vampires are safe. Leave real-world physics in the real world.

[Hamsnibit]

Sorry, lads i cant find the original source of the quote i have memorized. i will talk with my friend who originally found it, try to find it again and report back in. i dont want to spread any statements of others without proof.

Please.
Tell me that's a typo.
Don't google it.

Things exists out there ...
actually its a typo.

I prefer to think of the vampiric weakness to sunlight as a mystic rather than purely physiological phenomenon. Vampires are creatures of death, therefore the light of the sun (ultimate source of life) is intolerable to them. At night, the sun sleeps, and vampires are safe. Leave real-world physics in the real world.

Its a mystical phenomenon as the weakness is a paranormal one.
The life/death theory may be one but i dont think its the intened shadowrun interpretation since its an awakened disease and HMHVV 1 infecteds are actually very well alife.
They need to eat and their digestive organs adapt to a special kind of food, they got a paranormal dietary requierement which may keep them alive even if their food isnt exactly well rounded. They have a body temperature and need to drink water.

By RAW they dont even die in sunlight they "merely" get a -4 pentaly to all actions and suffer intensive pain.
But its well worth asking how long you can endure such a state without taking any "real" damage.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Its a mystical phenomenon as the weakness is a paranormal one.

This is why I'm wondering if "The light of <Insert Star Here>" is a viable target for an Allergy, and whether or not the allergy will be in effect outside of Earth's manasphere.

[Draco18s]

This is why I'm wondering if "The light of <Insert Star Here>" is a viable target for an Allergy, and whether or not the allergy will be in effect outside of Earth's manasphere.

Are vampires safe standing on the moon? In direct sunlight?

Do they "burn" faster or slower? (After all, it's diffused through the Earth's atmosphere....)

[ShadowDragon8685]

Are vampires safe standing on the moon? In direct sunlight?

Do they "burn" faster or slower? (After all, it's diffused through the Earth's atmosphere....)

See, these are very good questions. The only answer I can come up with is that direct sunlight interacts with Earth's manasphere in a manner harmful to Vampires and other critters with a similar allergy to sunlight. Therefor a vampire on the moon in direct sunlight is absolutely fine, because it's not interacting with Earth's manasphere.

[pbangarth]

Are vampires safe standing on the moon? In direct sunlight?

Maybe, but they go dormant from the lack of air.

EDIT: Not to mention explosive decompression.

[JanessaVR]

See, these are very good questions. The only answer I can come up with is that direct sunlight interacts with Earth's manasphere in a manner harmful to Vampires and other critters with a similar allergy to sunlight. Therefor a vampire on the moon in direct sunlight is absolutely fine, because it's not interacting with Earth's manasphere.

I'm actually totally fine with indirect sunlight reflected by mirrors working just fine on vampires - see the end of Fright Night II (1988) for the best example of a vampire being burned to a crisp by a vampire hunter keeping a beam of sunlight trained on her with a mirror. I'm always fine about seeing vampires burned to a crisp, as often as possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Seriously Mike]

Wait. Vampires have only moderate allergy to sunlight, so they can walk out at daytime, they will just be significantly weaker (-4 dice to everything).

[Tanegar]

See, these are very good questions. The only answer I can come up with is that direct sunlight interacts with Earth's manasphere in a manner harmful to Vampires and other critters with a similar allergy to sunlight. Therefor a vampire on the moon in direct sunlight is absolutely fine, because it's not interacting with Earth's manasphere.

What support do you have for this? The weakness is to sunlight, not to "sunlight on Earth." Also, a vampire standing on the moon would definitely not be fine; apart from sunlight and, as previously mentioned, decompression, there's no mana to sustain HMHVV. At best, the vampire dies because its existence is mana-dependent. At worst, the vampire becomes human again, and then dies due to decompression.

As far as a weakness to starlight, there isn't enough light for such a weakness to ever come into play, so no.

[ShadowDragon8685]

What support do you have for this? The weakness is to sunlight, not to "sunlight on Earth." Also, a vampire standing on the moon would definitely not be fine; apart from sunlight and, as previously mentioned, decompression, there's no mana to sustain HMHVV. At best, the vampire dies because its existence is mana-dependent. At worst, the vampire becomes human again, and then dies due to decompression.

As far as a weakness to starlight, there isn't enough light for such a weakness to ever come into play, so no.

The basis is simple: reflected sunlight doesn't work. Therefor it must be direct sunlight only; and as it is strictly sunlight, not, say, intense light with the same radiation spectra generated by non-sun sources, the allergy must be magical in nature. Magical things won't work in the absence of mana, therefore I can only conclude that the allergy of vampires is to direct line-of-sight to them, through the manasphere. Take away direct LoS (mirror, moon, whatever,) and they're fine, so must they be fine if it's not focused through the "lens" of the manasphere.

As for being on the moon: I presumed that he'd have an EV suit on. Did that really need clarification? Evidently it did.

As for there being no mana to sustain HMHVV, one could say the same thing about a Dragon flying into space. Yet Lofwyr considered running away into space a viable alternative to trying to tank/outrun nuclear explosions wiping out Germany. Therefor, there doesn't seem to be any nessessity for ambient magic to actually sustain Awakened creatures; the whole "Fifth" (and Third, and presumably First) worlds aside.

[Shortstraw]

Quick ShadowDragon is trying to use logic to prove his point on the internet - get him!

Edit: It does make sense.

[snowRaven]

I'd simply judge that moonlight, or light flitered through clouds on a very dark day, will be too 'weak' to trigger the allergy. Sunlight bounced off of a mirror, however, will have most of it's intensity left when hitting the vampire.

And as was pointed out, vampires in shadowrun don't burst into flame in sunlight - they get dice penalties.

[snowRaven]

The basis is simple: reflected sunlight doesn't work. Therefor it must be direct sunlight only; and as it is strictly sunlight, not, say, intense light with the same radiation spectra generated by non-sun sources, the allergy must be magical in nature. Magical things won't work in the absence of mana, therefore I can only conclude that the allergy of vampires is to direct line-of-sight to them, through the manasphere. Take away direct LoS (mirror, moon, whatever,) and they're fine, so must they be fine if it's not focused through the "lens" of the manasphere.

As for being on the moon: I presumed that he'd have an EV suit on. Did that really need clarification? Evidently it did.

As for there being no mana to sustain HMHVV, one could say the same thing about a Dragon flying into space. Yet Lofwyr considered running away into space a viable alternative to trying to tank/outrun nuclear explosions wiping out Germany. Therefor, there doesn't seem to be any nessessity for ambient magic to actually sustain Awakened creatures; the whole "Fifth" (and Third, and presumably First) worlds aside.

Well, the biggest mana void you can find is 10 I think - Lofwyr has a magic rating much higher than that, so he'd keep his powers etc in space. He'd just have to have powerful protections in place to protect against the astral damage he'll be taking each round.

Most vampires would probably just die in space, though - when their magic hits 0 they lose all paranormal powers.

[Manunancy]

Well, the biggest mana void you can find is 10 I think - Lofwyr has a magic rating much higher than that, so he'd keep his powers etc in space. He'd just have to have powerful protections in place to protect against the astral damage he'll be taking each round.

Most vampires would probably just die in space, though - when their magic hits 0 they lose all paranormal powers.

I agree wit that - what holds true for one of the most powerful Great Dragons is a fr cry from a reliable benxhmark for what something more usual, like the average Joe Vampire. And even Jerry Vampire (yes I've seen the latest Fright Night and enjoyed it).

[Patrick Goodman]

Wait. Vampires have only moderate allergy to sunlight, so they can walk out at daytime, they will just be significantly weaker (-4 dice to everything).

And in intense pain. Read the description again. Moderate's not exactly a walk in the park. It's not quite the mythical, and it's sure not Blade, but it's not a picnic.

And as was pointed out, vampires in shadowrun don't burst into flame in sunlight - they get dice penalties.

Yeah, you'd think someone would do something about that....

(What? Like I wasn't going to show up in this thread...?)

[Bigity]

I tend to like the old Bram Stoker version. They are greatly weakened by sunlight, but don't get all hot under the collar. And shirt. And pants, etc.

Where UV or magical sunlight would fit into that, I dunno. As long as they don't sparkle and have homoerotic tendencies (think Anne Rice - as a rule that is; gay vampires can do whatever they want and that's fine), I'm ok.

[pbangarth]

As for being on the moon: I presumed that he'd have an EV suit on. Did that really need clarification? Evidently it did.

But with an EV suit on, the vampire would not be in direct sunlight anymore, would it? That's why I misunderstood your meaning.

[Draco18s]

But with an EV suit on, the vampire would not be in direct sunlight anymore, would it? That's why I misunderstood your meaning.

Assume for sake of argument that the EV suit isn't required, but that there is also no air.

It's an impossible hypothetical situation (similar to an "airless, frictionless, environment" physicists like to talk about).