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[Prime Mover]

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/1007...liate_id=228694

Damage Control up on dtrpg but not announced yet?

[kzt]

So this the one where some guy with an HK rifle kills someone and an incredibly smart great dragon decides that this means that Lofwyr was behind it based on the fact that it was an HK gun? Naturally there isn't any possible way that a really smart great dragon might think that someone might just possibly obtain an HK rifle without Lofwyr personally handing it to him. ...

Are they using that cut-rate internet plot generator again?

[Prime Mover]

Still no official release announcement.
Wish we had an updated and current product list.

[Blade]

So this the one where some guy with an HK rifle kills someone and an incredibly smart great dragon decides that this means that Lofwyr was behind it based on the fact that it was an HK gun? Naturally there isn't any possible way that a really smart great dragon might think that someone might just possibly obtain an HK rifle without Lofwyr personally handing it to him. ...

Are they using that cut-rate internet plot generator again?

IIRC it has been mentioned somewhere that the deliberate use of a HK gun (left at the scene) was a way for Lofwyr to make it clear he was behind it, without having to directly state it. The fact that it's said in a later book makes it look like actual damage control from the writers more than anything else, but at least it makes sense... For now.

[snowRaven]

May have been damage control, or it may have been intentional.

After all, with the gun left there is it 'too obvious' for it to be Lofwyr and it looks like a set-up - Hestaby's reaction would therefore look rash, emotional and illogic. This may just be Lofwyr's plan for making her lose face, making himself look innocent, and turning the world against her.

Sounds like him.

For all we know, he sent her a watcher spirit going 'naa-na-na-naaa-na!' right after the deed...

[Halinn]

After all, with the gun left there is it 'too obvious' for it to be Lofwyr and it looks like a set-up - Hestaby's reaction would therefore look rash, emotional and illogic. This may just be Lofwyr's plan for making her lose face, making himself look innocent, and turning the world against her.

But I knew that you knew that I knew that... Ah, screw it. Lofwyr probably did, let's send some runners.

[JonathanC]

When did Hestaby do all of this stuff, anyway? I haven't picked up some of the recent plot books...I've got Ghost Cartels and Corporate Intrigue. Did this happen in one of the Artifact books?

[snowRaven]

Conspiracy Theories, State of the Art 2073, I think there's one related run in Corporate Intrigue, or maybe it was Jet Set (or both).

[ShadowDragon8685]

I thought it was definitely Lofwyr the first time I read it.


Think about it. Who's going to have the balls to frame Lofwyr for a personal attack on Hestaby?! Damian Knight and not a single other soul in the world, that's who.

For that matter, who'd take the job? "Kill <Hestaby's personal friend> and use and deliberately leave this <Saeder-Krupp manufactured rifle> to point the blame at Lofwyr?"

Most runners would shoot you in the face for making an offer like that. The rest enact their exit plans immediately and go to ground. Some of them probably also send word to Saeder-Krupp and Hestaby, because they don't want to get any of that on them and just looking like you might possibly have been in collusion with the guy when they catch him would get some on you.

It had to be someone fanatically loyal who did the shoot and planted the evidence, and no amount of money buys that kind of loyalty. Money ain't no good to you if you're too dead to spend it.


Nobody in the world would have the balls to frame-up Lofwyr, and they certainly wouldn't have the double-balls to do it by enraging Hestaby. It's bad enough when you piss in their business cheerios, but when you take out one of the few people they consider a true ally - or worse, a friend?

That's making it personal. That was Lofwyr making his displeasure with Hestaby absolutely and abundantly clear. He sent a message, and it came across loud and clear.

Hestaby's response was, I'd say, also loud and clear. And it served to discredit her; after all, Lofwyr got pissed because she broke the draconic code of silence and publicly excoriated Sirrug for his actions murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people, but what does she do when she gets personally aggrieved? She goes out and... Murders a whole shitload of innocent S-K citizens who had the bad luck to be stationed in Dubai.

Just as planned.

Hestaby's playing right into Lofywr's claws.

[Shortstraw]

Think about it. Who's going to have the balls to frame Lofwyr for a personal attack on Hestaby?! Damian Knight and not a single other soul in the world, that's who.

Mental Handicap
Bonus: 10 per level (max 3 levels)
The individual suffers from one of several forms of mental
handicap—natural or induced. This can be a result of brain injury,
genetic mental retardation, or any of several genetic anomalies.

[Pepsi Jedi]

I thought it was definitely Lofwyr the first time I read it.


Think about it. Who's going to have the balls to frame Lofwyr for a personal attack on Hestaby?! Damian Knight and not a single other soul in the world, that's who.

For that matter, who'd take the job? "Kill <Hestaby's personal friend> and use and deliberately leave this <Saeder-Krupp manufactured rifle> to point the blame at Lofwyr?"

Most runners would shoot you in the face for making an offer like that. The rest enact their exit plans immediately and go to ground. Some of them probably also send word to Saeder-Krupp and Hestaby, because they don't want to get any of that on them and just looking like you might possibly have been in collusion with the guy when they catch him would get some on you.

It had to be someone fanatically loyal who did the shoot and planted the evidence, and no amount of money buys that kind of loyalty. Money ain't no good to you if you're too dead to spend it.


Nobody in the world would have the balls to frame-up Lofwyr, and they certainly wouldn't have the double-balls to do it by enraging Hestaby. It's bad enough when you piss in their business cheerios, but when you take out one of the few people they consider a true ally - or worse, a friend?

That's making it personal. That was Lofwyr making his displeasure with Hestaby absolutely and abundantly clear. He sent a message, and it came across loud and clear.

Hestaby's response was, I'd say, also loud and clear. And it served to discredit her; after all, Lofwyr got pissed because she broke the draconic code of silence and publicly excoriated Sirrug for his actions murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people, but what does she do when she gets personally aggrieved? She goes out and... Murders a whole shitload of innocent S-K citizens who had the bad luck to be stationed in Dubai.

Just as planned.

Hestaby's playing right into Lofywr's claws.

Most of this is right, but if memory serves she didn't murder anyone (in that action/moment). She gave them a half hour or an hour to GTFO then took down the complex in Dubai. Didn't she? (( I'm ... 90% sure I'm right on that, that they evac'd the building then she took it down))

[ShadowDragon8685]

Most of this is right, but if memory serves she didn't murder anyone (in that action/moment). She gave them a half hour or an hour to GTFO then took down the complex in Dubai. Didn't she? (( I'm ... 90% sure I'm right on that, that they evac'd the building then she took it down))

Ah. All I had to go on was what was up there.

If she did, indeed, give everyone time to evacuate before leveling it, then it was a beautiful piece of high-road retribution.

[kzt]

Most of this is right, but if memory serves she didn't murder anyone (in that action/moment). She gave them a half hour or an hour to GTFO then took down the complex in Dubai. Didn't she? (( I'm ... 90% sure I'm right on that, that they evac'd the building then she took it down))

If I get 30 minutes of warning that a great dragon is going to attack that is going to be one VERY dead dragon. I'm going to have every orbital platform up and ready, plus whatever aircraft etc I can get onsite. Which at the speed of a suborbital strike aircraft is going to be quite a bit.

[KarmaInferno]

That's assuming she hasn't got plans in place to deal with it.

"There she is! Fire!" "We can't! Systems offline!" "What, which ones?" "All of them!"




-k

[Ears]

Or you get cameras on site and show the world lots and lots of screaming kids (there to visit their parents at work), crying mothers looking for their kids they got seperated from in the chaos and brave workers saving valuable company property (against their superiors' orders to GTFO already) just barely getting out alive while this completely lunatic wreaks havoc for absolutely no reason.
You of course release a press statement saying that you didn't fight because it would have been completely irresponsible to put the lives of innocent people in even more danger.
Having your hackers deduct your losses plus the cost of the media campaign against Hestaby from her accounts would be a nice touch, I think...

[Grinder]

When the great dragon Hestaby leveled Saeder-Krupp’s arcology in Dubai, a lot of people wondered if the success of her act meant that Lofwyr & co. were off their game. And of course, the corps of the Sixth World aren’t ones to just sit around and speculate—instead, they act. All of the sudden, corporations of all sizes are on the move, snatching up any Saeder-Krupp clients they can pry away, telling them that S-K can’t be trusted in the current turmoil.

Saeder-Krupp, though, is not about to let anyone believe they are weak. They're going to show that they should never be trifled with, and that clients would be well served to stay with them—or risk the wrath of Lofwyr. They’re bringing runners to Dubai to demonstrate that the largest megacorporation in the world still has strength to spare.

Damage Control is the first in the new Boardroom Backstabs series of adventures for Shadowrun. The series explores one of the classic Shadowrunthemes—corporate machinations where every handshake is made with crossed fingers, and the hand you can’t see is always holding a knife. There’s a lot of money to be made on this job, but runners better keep their wits about them if they want to keep all those corporate sharks from feeding on them.

Get the PDF here.

[Pepsi Jedi]

If I get 30 minutes of warning that a great dragon is going to attack that is going to be one VERY dead dragon. I'm going to have every orbital platform up and ready, plus whatever aircraft etc I can get onsite. Which at the speed of a suborbital strike aircraft is going to be quite a bit.

It's just not that easy. SHE'S A great dragon. For all those things you've thought of. She's thought of, and thought of how to counter 51 ways, Just incase 50 weren't enough.

And in spite of us thinking such things happen at the push of a button, moving things in space is rather time consuming and difficult. You can't just move orbital platforms in 30 minutes. And .. what are you going to do with it? Shoot her from orbit? She's over your asset. She'll just move, and You'll just hit what you're trying to protect. lol

They've tried aircraft vs great dragons before. The Great dragons tend to go "Oh that tickles. CHOMP" Remember in Denver when Ghosty came a calling? He razzed an Az base to the ground and the fought back like cornered rats. Didn't much slow Ghosty down. Hestby has been active in the world for years. She knows about modern things that Ghosty didn't so she could plan for them.

I'm not saying they're unkillable and 'everything you try won't work'. I AM saying great dragons take things into account before they make big moves. If she went there to take out the base she planned for all those contingencies, and knew exactly how long she'd need to take it out. The book states that after the evac she used magic in ways that looked like a sculptor's blade. Making just the right amount of cuts and damage at the right places, so the destruction looked like it was the building folding up on it self and to prevent loss of life.

Great dragons aren't infallible, but "send in some jets to shoot her" aint gonna cut it. Her spirits would hit them before they got close. You CAN bet that great Dragons can plot out the top 500 ways to kill them at any point annd time and have 2500 ways to dodge them. They're not quite gods, but you're not going to kill one if your gm plays them like they're presented in the books. Heck one flew up and took out Teran. Just wiped the entire city. If you don't think that Iran threw every single thing they had including the kitchen sink and sand at that dragon, you're crazy. Didn't even slow him down.

As written, the only threat to Great Dragons, are other Great Dragons.

[Pepsi Jedi]

Or you get cameras on site and show the world lots and lots of screaming kids (there to visit their parents at work), crying mothers looking for their kids they got seperated from in the chaos and brave workers saving valuable company property (against their superiors' orders to GTFO already) just barely getting out alive while this completely lunatic wreaks havoc for absolutely no reason.
You of course release a press statement saying that you didn't fight because it would have been completely irresponsible to put the lives of innocent people in even more danger.
Having your hackers deduct your losses plus the cost of the media campaign against Hestaby from her accounts would be a nice touch, I think...

Your forgetting that they're Dragons, and you don't DO that to other dragons. You handle it yourself. Or in the shadows. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That's part of the reason the gold wyrm is pissed. Hestaby took things out of the shadows and condemed one of their fellow dragons (( one that's killed thousands to tens of thousands of humans, in an active warzone, and they can't take out.. You think they're gong to be able to take H in a NON warzone? *G*))

But yeah, Hestaby KNOWS Dunk doesn't work like that, as that'd break their rules. She was using the rules against him.

I may buy the PDF just to see what he DOES do.

[Shortstraw]

As written, the only threat to Great Dragons, are other Great Dragons.

And Theran behemoths.

[JonathanC]

That cover bothers me.

[Grinder]

This thread is not for discussing of "how to kill a dragon" or "how to defend a dragon's attack", just to make that clear. If you want to discuss that questions, start a new topic.

[Grinder]

That cover bothers me.

Yeah, it's really bad.

[Nath]

<Saeder-Krupp manufactured rifle>

Note that contrary to a popular and widespread belief, it has never been stated anywhere Heckler & Koch is a Saeder-Krupp subsidiary.

Gun Heaven even mentions the Onotari Equalizer as "Saeder-Krupp’s attempt to enter the machine pistol market segment", which wouldn't be consistent with an HK ownership.

[snowRaven]

Yeah, it's really bad.

Yeah...worst I've seen in a long time...if not ever.

[JonathanC]

Yeah...worst I've seen in a long time...if not ever.

The only covers I've hated this much are Augmentation and Attitude. I'm actually going to spend real money to buy the hardcopy reprint of Augmentation so I can have a cover I can live with.