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[cutter07]

First off don't whine about his munchiness, I'm going for that for a special reason. If you see something wrong please point it out <WITH THE PAGE NUMBER AND BOOK!>. If you got ideas for a better start lets hear um. No adepts or magic please

Edges:

Toughness - 3
Bonus attribute - 2 (BOD) (can only choose 1 attrib, and only once)
Quickhealer - 2

Flaws:

Dependant +3
Hunted +4

Priority choices:
A- Money: 1 Million
B- Attribute 27
C- Troll
D- Skills 30

Strength: 6 (10)/ 15
Quickness: 6 (5)/ 9
Body: 7 (12)/ 15 [17] +1 dermal +1 toughness
Intelligence: 7 (5)/ 7
Willpower: 1
Charisma: 2 (0)

Reaction: 8 (10)
Combat Pool: 8
Initiative: 3d6 + 10

Other special notes:
+1 body from toughness for damage resists
+1 dermal
+1 reach
+2 to healing/biotech checks from Quickhealer
+3d6 to athletics (sythacardium/enhanced articulation)
+1d6 to task pool (for knowledge skills)

Cyberware:
1. Titanium bone lacing (+2 body, +1 ballistic +1 impact)
(str+4 unarmed blows) 75k 2.25 essence cost
2. Smartlink 2 ,deltaware .25 essence 32k
3. Cybereyes (2k) w/ electronic mag 3 (11k) + w/ flare compensation (2K), thermographic (3K), low-light (3k) and protective covers ($500) (21.5k total) .3 essence
Total Essence 2.8 Total: $128,500

Bioware:
Platelet Factory (30k) .4 bdy, -1 from physical or mental Damage
Symbiotes lvl 3 (60k) 1.0 bdy, 50% Heal time
Synthacardium Lvl 2, (15k) .3 bdy, +2d6 to athletics and heart tests
Orthoskin Lvl 3 (100k) 1.5 bdy, +1 ballistic +2 impact
Suprathyroid Gland (50k) 1.4 bdy, +1 reaction, strength, body, quickness
Cerebral Booster Lvl 2 (110k) .8 bdy, +2 intelligence, + 1d6 task pool for int
Synaptic Accelerator Lvl 2 (200k) 1.6 bdy, + 2d6 initiative
Enhanced Articulation (40k) .6 bdy, +1 reaction, +1 die for active skills
Muscle Augmentation Lvl 4 (180k) 3.2 bdy, +4 quickness + 4 strength
Total Body Cost 10.8 Total Cost $785,000
Total Cost of both Cyberware and Bioware = $913,500

Money left $86500

Armors:

Normal daily armor (the default): 10b/9i

Forearm guards (0/1) $250
form fitting body armor level 3 (4/1), $500
secure long coat, black Italian leather style (4/2, +50% concealability) $650
coveralls, heavy (4/4) $1000

For social/formal business: 10b/6i

Great coat line (4/2) $2k
Armante' Dallas line (double breasted jacket, vest, slacks, shirt) 4/2 $2250
Form fitting body armor level 3 (4/1)


Weapons:
· Custom (+750) Combat Axe (StrS, +2 reach) $750 ($1500)
· Custom (+1200) Ranger-X bow (Str+4M) $1200 for str 10 w/ bow mount (+100) and external smartgun 2 link (+800) ($3500 total)
w/ 20 arrows $200

· (x2) Custom ($1k) Ruger Thunderbolt 12S ($1k), integral smartgun 2 ($400) and gas vent 4 ($1k) concealable, quickdraw holster ($150) ($3,550 total each) note: special burst fire rules apply, 4 points total RC (P&T permit +100 x2) *worn under arms
· Custom (+1k) Franchi SPAS-22 , 10Df ($1k) +gas vent 4(+1k) + shock pad (+200) folding stock, foregrip, underbarrel weight and retractable bayonet (GM allowing a custom 3 in 1 piece for 1k> (+$1000), +internal smartgun link, + sling (+$10) ($4210 total) loaded w/ buckshot, 8 points total RC, Choke rating of a 5 *worn on the back via a sling
· Custom (+300) Remington roomsweeper ($300) with smartgun 2 link ($450) and concealable, quickdraw holster (+150) ($1200 total) buckshot, choke rating of a 2 *worn in small of the back (P&T permit +30 x2)


Skills:

Active skills:

Edged weapons (Axes): 5 (7)
Unarmed attack (kenpo): 5 (7)
Pistols: 6
Projectile weapons (pullbows): 5 (7)
Biotech: 6

Knowledge skills:

Gang Identification: 4
Police hangouts: 4
Police procedures: 4
Security procedures: 4
Gunsmithing:4
Fence hotspots: 4
Black market prices: 4
Cybertechnology: 4
Car theft: 3


Language skills:
English:4
English (r/w):2
Spanish:2
Spanish(r/w):1

:D

[Connor]

Just a quick look wihtout my books handy, but you might want to read the bioware stress rules in Man & Machine. I think with all that bioware you might have to worry about it, but then again I don't have my books handy and it's almost 4am here...

[shadd4d]

I'd imagine it'd mitigate, to some extent, the quick healer benefit. Bioware does weaken the body in healing tests and also for healing magic. Like Conner says, check on that one.

Don

[cutter07]

Yeah I need to check it but I think its 11 body or less. I got a 15 body so I still think I'm pretty good atm. I might be off but not sure

[Tziluthi]

Deltaware is banned for starting characters. (pg. 45 M&M)

[edit]Also, bioware is checked against the bioindex, which is your remaining essence + 3, not body, especially not modified body.[/edit]

[cutter07]

Also <assuming my GM oks the new called shot rules in the errata> which would you guys go with, flecette rounds or AV on my pistol? Keep in mind with smartgun 2, no recoil on burst fire with the GV4, and it being custom its pretty easy to pull off a headshot. (4 TN +2 for CS, -2 for SG2=4s) With 7 dice to roll, not counting combat poll, its going to be a nasty burst to take to the face.

[shadd4d]

What is your reason for giving him some above avail 8 stuff, if I may ask? The cerebral booster, heck the deltaware, and such?

BTW, you should upgrade to M&M. Muscle Aug was split into Muscle Toner and something else, so you have to get both to do a +1 to both Str. and Quickness. I take it you're using Shadowtech and Cybertechnology to construct this character. He also seems rather 1 sided; he's not going to go boo to anyone straight out from the gates.

Also remember that it looks like your character sleeps in the gutters; he's got no lifestyle, i.e. no place to store his stuff or sleep.

Don

[cutter07]

Good 1 Tziluthi, consider it changed to alphaware. How about adding muscle toner lvl 4?

[Tziluthi]

From what I can make out, your character's intelligence score is too high. If you spent 6 points on it to start off with it should only end up as six, seeing as trolls INT is modified by -2. I assume the only INT boost your character has is the Mnemonic Enchancer, which is only +2, right?

[shadd4d]

It's not an add but a substitution. Muscle Toner + Muscle Enhancer (can't remember what it's called) = Muscle aug bioware in Shadowtech. Just halve the bio index and 3/4 the cost, IIRC.

Also check your neural bioware and their availabilities. Cerebral booster is 10, IIRC, and some of that other stuff has to be higher than Avail 8.

Don

[Austere Emancipa...]

Obviously your GM is allowing you to break some rules to begin with, so it's difficult to tell what might apply here.

To begin with, a legal starting character cannot have a Delta-grade Smartlink-2. SR3, p. 270: "no character can start the game with a piece of gear whose Availability is greater than 8." The Availability of a Smartlink-2 is 6, Delta adds at least +9, for an Availability of 15. Additionally, while I couldn't find a page number or quote for this, I am absolutely certain that neither Beta or Delta are legal for starting characters. [Edit]M&M p. 45, like someone already mentioned.[/Edit]

The character has more than 9 points of Bio Index, which automatically kills any character. Man & Machine, p. 77. You'd also be way into system overstress (p. 78, same book), but that's moot because you're dead. Shadowrun FAQ says that, officially, Cultured Bioware is not available for a beginning character, and this is suggested as a general rule.

Couldn't be bothered to double-check the numbers. I'm pretty sure more than 6 points of Edges or Flaws are frowned at, but there isn't an actual rule that says it's not legal. Not sure, don't have SRC here.

[Edit]Keeps coming... You've overcharged 0.6 for the Synaptic Accelerator-2. The Synaptic Accelerator-2 has a Bio Index cost of just 1.0. You're still dead, though, because you're over 9.

Even if you cut it down to an even 9 points of Bio, which you can by getting rid of some of the less useful ware, you'd be at 2.8 points of Overstress, which would cause at least the following:
+4 on any disease, toxin or drug Power, -2 dice to resist such substances
+5 on any Healing test TNs, -2 dice on any Healing tests
-3 boxes of Overflow
These penalties are detailed on pp. 77-78, M&M.[/Edit]

This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Apr 14 2004, 09:37 AM

[Austere Emancipa...]

[Lilt]

[Tziluthi]

The official ruling for edges and flaws is that, if you're using build points, you cannot have more than 5 points worth of unbalanced flaws. Which is to say, you can't have more than five points of flaws counting towards your overall build point total. If you're using the priority system, your edges and flaws have to be perfectly balanced points-wise.

Also, all of your character's attributes have to end up at one, at the very least. That includes your charisma.

[Capt. Dave]

Well, aside from all the problems listed in posts above, as well as a few more, a Willpower of 1 means almost certain death if you ever encounter a mage with a mana spell. Not to mention all the manip spells. I assume you're looking to be a combat monster, which is a welcome addition to a team, but you are fragged when it comes to magic (or social situations, for that matter.) Just tone down the 'ware a wee bit and aim for a bit higher on the mental attributes.

[toturi]

Priority Choices:

A Resources: 30
B Attribute 27: 54
C Troll: 10
D Skills 30

Total: 124

If using BPs, maxed munched usable BPs is 128 (123+5).

You might want to refer to the SR3 editions of the various Bioware. Bioware has its own index called Bio Index, not Body in SR2.

Usually, I have my troll's Willpower at 5 or 6, since it is the only Mental attribute that doesn't have a penalty and the only Attribute in the Combat pool formula that doesn't suffer a penalty. I usually go for 2 or 4 for Int and Cha 2 for a specialisation in Etiquette of 3 (an average, not a sucky 2) Also the max points you can assign to any attribute is 6 before racial or other modifiers (But I allow additional 1 Attribute point if Exceptional Att is used).

[tjn]

Enless this character's main purpose is a cautionary tale against the excesses of SR technology... dear lord.

I don't care if he's a Troll... in fact especially because he's a Troll, he shouldn't have 1 Willpower and 1 Charisma. Any runner worth his nuyen isn't going to come anywhere near the a team with this guy. He's boorish and has the concentration of a gnat and the impulse control of a fly; he's more likely to frag up a run then not, if the PC is played with a mind to his stats.

What corp or military or whomever would invest this much cyber and bio? It doesn't grow off trees, and the character, as written, appears to have a shelf life of a squirmish, or maybe three at the most.

[toturi]

Don't make assumption on what the PC's personality is... I mean the troll could have been the spoilt scion of an old money family (hence the money and warez) that got itself wiped out (hence Hunted?) and has a sister/brother in tow (hence Dependent?).

Not much of an independent or original thinker are you, Tin? :D

[shadd4d]

I don't suppose you could be my lawyer, Toturi? Just in case? ;)

Don

[toturi]

[shadd4d]

Sorry. Toturi never tortured anyone.

Nice handle by the way.

Don

[tjn]

First it's tjn, a j not i, and no capitals.

Now, toturi, take the flamebait out.

You're throwing shit at a wall and hope it sticks, and you know it

It's not logical. You want a game where the stats don't have a damn thing to do with how the character is played. Fine, have fun.

You know, judging people because they think differently then you, and yet hurling the "Not much of an independant or original thinker" insult paints you as nothing more then a hypocrite.

Everyone is free to think as they will, as long as they see it your way, eh toturi?

[Raptor1033]

I don't have the books with me but near the end of the cyberware section in M&M it suggests that players not have access to beta-level or higher clinics. So even if the availability of a delta item was under 8 you still couldn't get it installed. Starting characters are supposed to have access to standard and alpha only.

[TinkerGnome]

Raptor, the character clearly is working by a different set of availability rules from normal characters. Normally, you keep cyber to alpha or less, can't have cultured bioware, and don't run around with weapons above avail 8. You also don't pack on 50 kilos of armor and expect to be able to walk. But maybe that's just me.

[edit] Oh, and tjn, I've been reading your name wrong, too. Though you have to admit, the j belts right into the underline making it pretty hard to tell. (j & i) [/edit]

[toturi]