A Grand Master Plan....For sixth world domination!, An idea that's so insane its just might work! Options

[Shortstraw]

nah we killed a big feathered serpent a while back anyways. Although I bet Yuichotol would be many times more powerful than the one we killed. I'm going to be using a rare astronomical event (the eclipse) to facilitate this whole ritual so I want the intended target to be the most powerful thing I can possibly find, ergo a Great Dragon. Besides it's supposed to be nearly impossible to kill one (by normal means anyways) so I want to prove that theory wrong. If a mere mortal(albeit Elf) took down a Great Dragon what else could they be capable of?

Yuichotol was a great dragon (ghostwalkers mate) whose spirit was bound to this plane (spirit also known as ghost scales).

[DarthSunshine]

Talking them into editing it themselves works, too.

Ah yes the "rational" solution, we have dismissed that claim. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)


I have a feeling the GM won't make it that simple, but hey it's worth a shot.

Yuichotol was a great dragon (ghostwalkers mate) whose spirit was bound to this plane (spirit also known as ghost scales).

Really? I got some conflicting info about that apparently. Where can i read up on her?

[ShadowDragon8685]

Ah yes the "rational" solution, we have dismissed that claim. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)


I have a feeling the GM won't make it that simple, but hey it's worth a shot.

Convince them that you're an invaluable asset who can make their lives much easier while they're still living them, and are patient enough to wait for them to die or fake their own deaths to start a new life (whichever comes first) to inherit. Make sure you're aware of any clauses (such as an "if I die before X date" or "if I die under mysterious circumstances,") in the will, and that the copy you've read is valid.



Then don't be patient. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Shortstraw]

Really? I got some conflicting info about that apparently. Where can i read up on her?

Get ancient history's notes "the ancient files" it is a compilation of notes with references to all the books they come from.

[DarthSunshine]

Convince them that you're an invaluable asset who can make their lives much easier while they're still living them, and are patient enough to wait for them to die or fake their own deaths to start a new life (whichever comes first) to inherit. Make sure you're aware of any clauses (such as an "if I die before X date" or "if I die under mysterious circumstances,") in the will, and that the copy you've read is valid.



Then don't be patient. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Interesting, I might be able to use this strategy with one of the lesser shareholders; however I still don't think I could convince the CEO of Wuxing (Wu Lung-Wei?) that I'm worth turning over his 24% (after he snuffs it of course). Of course he could perhaps be convinced otherwise if a series of unpredictable "calamities" were to befall him. I could present him with a comprehensive solution to his woes in exchange for increased shares in his company or making me a (the sole) benefactor. That of course could be stretching the realm of possibility, although perhaps not as much as say inciting a corporate world war would.

Since Wuxing is publicly shared (as opposed to Aztechnology) my strategy ends up being a weakening of the corp followed by a slow (or fast depending on situation) buy out. I don't think I would want to keep the original around because this is about my company becoming ascendant not me taking over another one and running it. On the other hand taking over other corps would be what facilitates my corp's rise to power in the first place.

Get ancient history's notes "the ancient files" it is a compilation of notes with references to all the books they come from.

Any idea where I could find that compendium?

[Shortstraw]

Ancient Files - use the immortal elves and great dragons link
archived version for hoarding

[IKerensky]

Err...

Just notice a very weak point in your plan.

When a Great Dragon die by natural or Great Dragon cause a Rite of Succession is started.

When a Great Dragon die by human action they hunt the responsible and manage to cripple his organisation so much as to make an example from him. (cf. ED).

You plan to use ritual magic is a major flaw because THEY will know about what you did, and they will track you and your organisation and slaughter everyone of you, making no effort to hide theirs actions as you are the new 6th World example of "NO MESS WITH US". Also by using ritual magic of this scope you are creating MAJOR astral beacon that could bring all sort of unpleasantness to you.

It is also entirely possible that draining the life-force of the dragon will make YOU a vessel of his former self while his vast power crush your puny shell and intellect and you become entirely controlled by him until he figure up how to build another physical body.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Err...

Just notice a very weak point in your plan.

When a Great Dragon die by natural or Great Dragon cause a Rite of Succession is started.

When a Great Dragon die by human action they hunt the responsible and manage to cripple his organisation so much as to make an example from him. (cf. ED).

You plan to use ritual magic is a major flaw because THEY will know about what you did, and they will track you and your organisation and slaughter everyone of you, making no effort to hide theirs actions as you are the new 6th World example of "NO MESS WITH US". Also by using ritual magic of this scope you are creating MAJOR astral beacon that could bring all sort of unpleasantness to you.

It is also entirely possible that draining the life-force of the dragon will make YOU a vessel of his former self while his vast power crush your puny shell and intellect and you become entirely controlled by him until he figure up how to build another physical body.

IKerensky has kind of a point there...


Okay, here's what you're gonna have to do: Initiate about seventy or eighty times and bump your magic score up that high. That should give you sufficient dice and metamagics to successfully obfuscate your manatrail from Great Dragons.

You might want to become an Immortal Elf before trying this, or at least get ready to leonize a lot, as this will likely take some time to acomplish.

[DarthSunshine]

Err...

Just notice a very weak point in your plan.

When a Great Dragon die by natural or Great Dragon cause a Rite of Succession is started.

When a Great Dragon die by human action they hunt the responsible and manage to cripple his organisation so much as to make an example from him. (cf. ED).

You plan to use ritual magic is a major flaw because THEY will know about what you did, and they will track you and your organisation and slaughter everyone of you, making no effort to hide theirs actions as you are the new 6th World example of "NO MESS WITH US". Also by using ritual magic of this scope you are creating MAJOR astral beacon that could bring all sort of unpleasantness to you.

That's what I'm afraid of. There are a few methods to circumvent the possible repercussions. Firstly it's really just one target I'm shooting for and that's always been Aztlan. Maybe killing one dragon isn't quite as bad as killing multiple ones.
Secondly I can ally with a particular (weaker) dragon(s). They chafe under the authority of the big guys so I present them with a solution that in which I do all the dirty work and open a window for them to become more powerful. As part of the deal I enjoy immunity from any kinda murder charges. (egads!...or they just betray me at the last moment and join the witch..err..magehunt.)
Maybe I could be done by proxy without explicitly implicating me. (I doubt it though)
Also since I'm already planning on occult realigning N.O. already, I could just make the whole place into a dragon deathtrap, that's timed to go off when the total eclipse occurs. If that can work then it might not require me to be nearby, indeed I could be safely in my heavily armed space station when zero hour comes. Just try and catch me!

It is also entirely possible that draining the life-force of the dragon will make YOU a vessel of his former self while his vast power crush your puny shell and intellect and you become entirely controlled by him until he figure up how to build another physical body.

Yikes! That probably means that instead of binding the sould to myself I would either
A. Offer it up to my mentor spirit, she'll know what to do with it.
B. Store it inside a Phylactery of some type.
C. Be powerful enough to take the soul anyways (see below)

IKerensky has kind of a point there...


Okay, here's what you're gonna have to do: Initiate about seventy or eighty times and bump your magic score up that high. That should give you sufficient dice and metamagics to successfully obfuscate your manatrail from Great Dragons.

Way ahead of you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) That was my plan as soon as I discovered metamagic. Also I almost always initiate with my cult so they raise their power along with me. In fact this wednesday when we play I will be doing just that (after we beat this Hydra we woke up that is!) Also I will probably do an initiation during that September eclipse in Siberia I mentioned before. The one where i test out the binding ritual. I have a good six years until the final showdown so that should be plenty of time to do a bunch of initiations.

You might want to become an Immortal Elf before trying this, or at least get ready to leonize a lot, as this will likely take some time to acomplish.

Stop the presses! You can do that?! HOW? Ok if that is possible I will definitely be doing that.

Also if I can raise my willpower up to legendary, and initiate seventy times, maybe I would be powerful enough to trap
the dragon's soul inside my body without him pushing my mind out. If I can manage to bind a great dragon's soul to my body and win the resultant battle of wills, what do you think would happen? Could I (dare i say it) become a Dragon?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) (No way a GM would ever let someone do that. It would break the game!)
This is all hypothetical because I'm pretty sure that IKerensky is right here which is why I'll probably go with with either option A or B.

P.S. @Shortstraw: Thanks for the link I'm sure that both my GM and I will find that very useful.

[bannockburn]

You are, at this point, seriously concerned with breaking the game?

[DarthSunshine]

You are, at this point, seriously concerned with breaking the game?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) I guess not lmao.

I just don't see a GM letting a player be a dragon. Doesn't that sound preposterous? In my Pathfinder game I didn't let my players pick a dragon as their race. (except with that nasty "Form of Dragon" spell, but that wears off after awhile).

But on the other hand, the GM might have to allow it, especially if its something I've worked towards for a straight 6 years (as opposed to starting out as one).

[Manunancy]

Hu, from what i read your character is basically :
* managing a corp hoping to turn into a mega but already quite large
* is the guru of a lrage and growing cult
* peforms high-voltage experimental development in magic
* performs high-end runs
* is organizing world-scale conspiracy projects

that seems to be quite a lot of hats to wear on one head - you're going to bump into a shortage of hours by day if you're trying to wear all those hats in an at least somewhat adequate way.

[DarthSunshine]

Hu, from what i read your character is basically :
* managing a corp hoping to turn into a mega but already quite large
* is the guru of a lrage and growing cult
* peforms high-voltage experimental development in magic
* performs high-end runs
* is organizing world-scale conspiracy projects

that seems to be quite a lot of hats to wear on one head - you're going to bump into a shortage of hours by day if you're trying to wear all those hats in an at least somewhat adequate way.

Yeah pretty much, I've even thought about using a spell that lets me require little to no sleep so I have more time to devote to my nefarious plots. However so far the Gm has not required us to sleep or eat, assuming that we do that in the downtime between sessions. Also I won't be micromanaging everything at once, and I intend to have some things run on autopilot for a time. Already I spend one session on a shadowrun(disguised of course), then another managing my corp, and then another doing magical research/running my cult (not exactly in that order).
Wearing several different hats was my intention from the very beginning, I will be playing multiple sides of the board simultaneously.

[Halinn]

Yeah pretty much, I've even thought about using a spell that lets me require little to no sleep so I have more time to devote to my nefarious plots. However so far the Gm has not required us to sleep or eat, assuming that we do that in the downtime between sessions. Also I won't be micromanaging everything at once, and I intend to have some things run on autopilot for a time. Already I spend one session on a shadowrun(disguised of course), then another managing my corp, and then another doing magical research/running my cult (not exactly in that order).
Wearing several different hats was my intention from the very beginning, I will be playing multiple sides of the board simultaneously.

Develop addictions to the Crank and Nutrition spells (both in Street Magic). Never sleep or eat again.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Stop the presses! You can do that?! HOW? Ok if that is possible I will definitely be doing that.

Two ways come to mind, neither of them is really canon, but what the hell.

Way 1: Go on some deep metaplanar quests until you come back with the secret of being an IE.
Way 2: capture Ehran the Scribe, Harlequinn, and a few other known IEs (or at least get reliable samples of their blood,) genetically test for whatever it is that makes them Immortal elves, then use gene therapy to apply that to you. This will lower your Essence a bit, but suck it up, son. When you're immortal and one of the steps of your plan is "Initiate seventy or eighty times," you can afford to derp your Essence down to 0.1 with augmentations if you want to and still be a wizzer wizzer.

[DarthSunshine]

Develop addictions to the Crank and Nutrition spells (both in Street Magic). Never sleep or eat again.

I like the way you think. Solve my problems by getting to addicted to something! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

Two ways come to mind, neither of them is really canon, but what the hell.

Way 1: Go on some deep metaplanar quests until you come back with the secret of being an IE.
Way 2: capture Ehran the Scribe, Harlequinn, and a few other known IEs (or at least get reliable samples of their blood,) genetically test for whatever it is that makes them Immortal elves, then use gene therapy to apply that to you. This will lower your Essence a bit, but suck it up, son. When you're immortal and one of the steps of your plan is "Initiate seventy or eighty times," you can afford to derp your Essence down to 0.1 with augmentations if you want to and still be a wizzer wizzer.

That...would have to be up to the GM. And I doubt he will let me do it.
I am sorta friends with Harlequinn in our campaign so perhaps he could tell me his secret(or not). OTOH being a immortal elf might not have anything to with genetics and every thing to do with my awakened power.

I was actually planning a while back to do tests on the HMHVV to create artificial vampiric supersoldiers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) (à la Hellsing). I don't think I would want to test a modified strain on myself though, dunno what would come out of it.
Besides I don't think elves become vampires, they become banshees.

[Halinn]

You're already pretty close to being an immortal elf, as I understand the process. You're just missing the 't'.

[DarthSunshine]

You're already pretty close to being an immortal elf, as I understand the process. You're just missing the 't'.

I'm sorry i don't foll- Oh hahaha very clever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)


You're right the character is immoral to the extent he is willing to go to complete his goals, but he is also a big philanthropist who tends toward helping the poor and weak (as he was once in that position in his youth). I would say he usually occupies a moral gray area but in D&D alignment terminology he is Neutral Evil. More than anything he seeks to upset the status quo both peaceful and then violently.

(Sounds like the standard corporate bullshit spin huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )

[Shortstraw]

Stop the presses! You can do that?! HOW? Ok if that is possible I will definitely be doing that.

IIRC ancient files mentions the creation of the IE's. The short version - a wizard did it, the long version - a large scaly lizard did it. It's somewhere in ED anyway.

[DarthSunshine]

IIRC ancient files mentions the creation of the IE's. The short version - a wizard did it, the long version - a large scaly lizard did it. It's somewhere in ED anyway.

So I'm guessing I could possible to get said scaly lizard to do the same for me? Yeah that's gonna happen... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Shortstraw]

From Aztlan.html
"Hecate asks if Domingo Ramos, one of the shareholders for AZT, is an immortal elf. Wordsmyth replies that they haven't tested him (both Tirs have developed genetic tests to determine if an elf carries the right genes.) It is unsure what a Watcher is, or why Laughing Man would think Ramos one. Dunkelzahn's last comment can be seen as humorous, or revealing if the rumors that immortal elves are directly descended from great dragons is true."

[Stahlseele]

Watchers might have been a Nod to the Highlander TV Series . .

[DarthSunshine]

Watchers might have been a Nod to the Highlander TV Series . .

To quote happy time harry from ATHF "Man look you gotta be born a highlander, you can't just become one!"

[IKerensky]

Err... I am sorry but.. no you cannot become a IE.

You can only be an IE if you are direct descendant from the Dragon-Elf union or close relative to a IE, I think you must be direct son or daughter (splg ?) and that is not even a 100% percent occurence.

In Harlequin we have Ehrand that keep an eye on several potential IE from his descendants, lets note that he didn't check for a special gene or such but general indication that the people is subject to illness and aging.

Long view is a power that dragon granted to some of the 4th age people but it is clearly not immortality, just long live and could be just a magical leonisation. IE are totaly immune to age and diseases and I am more than sure that come from the fact they are hybrids elfs/dragons than activating a peculiar gene (as in far more complexe and probably basically magical).

IE seems to share with dragon a special relationship with astral space and meta-planes and seems very much more at ease their than other magician. They also seems to generate their own magic that is totally alien to that of other peoples. They master common people magical way but can ressort to instant magic to produce special effects...

I think your game is already going far too much in the muchkin way and your character is long gone either to the NPC realm or to the fantasy one. It is definitely no more a player character but more like a novel character.

Oh, and side question but interesting one... Why do you think that lunar eclipse could have absolutely any effect on a Magical Ritual ? as far as I know the Moon nor the Sun affect the Gaïa Sphere and thus the magic. I think you will have to wait for the next passage of the Comet.

[Halinn]

Oh, and side question but interesting one... Why do you think that lunar eclipse could have absolutely any effect on a Magical Ritual ? as far as I know the Moon nor the Sun affect the Gaïa Sphere and thus the magic. I think you will have to wait for the next passage of the Comet.

Because magic is powered by belief.

You can't just start a post saying that IEs aren't something done sciency, but magic, and then finish off by trying to combine science with magic in an unrelated tangent.