The Big Rig, Need help Options

[ShadowDragon8685]

Well, bloody hell! Why in the nine did they do THAT?!? There was existing, ordinary-18-wheeler art for SR already, they could have used for the Zugmaschine ... which is definitely not statted as a "moving office block", like the Bergen was.

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Respect for Catalyst: dwindling.

Talos heretic!

Just kidding. Fuck the Thalmor, seriously. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


Anyway, I have no idea. If I had to guess, someone had a huge folder full of images bereft of context, saw it, didn't 'get' the ladder was a ladder up to a massive vehicle's cab, and thought it was just as big rig with an unusual, cool look they could use.

[CanRay]

Take into consideration a lot of the old art and items have gone through, what, three companies? More?

Lots of stuff being packed up and mislabeled in boxes and such.

[ShadowDragon8685]

Take into consideration a lot of the old art and items have gone through, what, three companies? More?

Lots of stuff being packed up and mislabeled in boxes and such.

Isn't that exactly what I said?

[CanRay]

Isn't that exactly what I said?

Yeah, but I get the feeling some people need things spelled out with all the...

Never mind, I shouldn't be posting right now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Falconer]

I disagree strongly with Pax... a standard box trailer would only have 6 body. Body does not only indicate size but also how tough something is build... a structure built out of metal will have a much higher body score than an equivalent structure made out of wood.

It's little more than sheet metal plus some framing... they're not exactly the most rugged structures on the road... compared to the cab with it's engine, transmission, etc. they're tinfoil.

If you wanted something more, at that point you're more or less building your own trailer from scratch. Your better route would be to do something like take a citymaster as a template, give it 'limited maneuverability' since it doesn't move on it's own but instead is drug behind the zugmachine. I'd still consider a seperate vehicle for damage purposes and NOT lump the two into one for balance reasons and problems within the RAW.

You could even end up with a flatbed carrying another vehicle.

It's probably best in all situations to not consider the combined tractor trailor a single unit except for maneuverability and speed restrictions. Damagewise... probably best to consider them two seperate targets and vehicles.

Here's part of the reason why... you have a zug + trailor... you consider them a single target... target is attacked and takes damage... you now take off that trailer and put on another one... where is the damage? There's no rules to handle how each of them take damage or how it's split between the two.

On the other hand if they're two vehicles which only share a maneuverability/pilot response for the defense test to avoid getting hit but soak damage independently... it makes a lot more sense... as it's possible to trash the trailer and it's cargo without trashing the tractor unit... or vice versa (if you're trying to hijack the cargo). You know exactly how the damage is split between them at all times as well.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I disagree strongly with Pax... a standard box trailer would only have 6 body. Body does not only indicate size but also how tough something is build... a structure built out of metal will have a much higher body score than an equivalent structure made out of wood

<Snip much awesomeness.>

You're talking smart, real smart, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. You're also pretty damn spot-on about splitting damage and counting the trailer as a limited maneuverability unit.

[The Jopp]

So, we have normal sea pirates, sky pirates, submarine pirates, and now, land pirates.

Yarrrrr, matey!

Wait, where are the space pirates?

[Critias]

Wait, where are the space pirates?

In space, presumably.

[CanRay]

Wait, where are the space pirates?

There's been Matrix Pirates for years. It's the ASTRAL Pirates you have to watch out for.

In space, presumably.

Here's their captain.

[ShadowDragon8685]

There's been Matrix Pirates for years. It's the ASTRAL Pirates you have to watch out for.


Here's their captain.

You mean the Space Pirate's captain, right? Because he doesn't seem like an Astral Pirate, much less an Astral Pirate captain.


... What do Astral Pirates steal, anyway?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

You mean the Space Pirate's captain, right? Because he doesn't seem like an Astral Pirate, much less an Astral Pirate captain.


... What do Astral Pirates steal, anyway?

Astral Loot?

[_Pax._]

I disagree strongly with Pax... a standard box trailer would only have 6 body. Body does not only indicate size but also how tough something is build... a structure built out of metal will have a much higher body score than an equivalent structure made out of wood.

I never said the trailer should have more actual body ... just, more room for modifications.

It's probably best in all situations to not consider the combined tractor trailor a single unit except for maneuverability and speed restrictions.

SR4 however, does exactly that. The Trailer doesn't have a separate body of 6. Instead, it ups the Tractor's body by 6.

I agree with you that it's not a good approach. Unfortunately, it is the RAW's decision.

[CanRay]

... What do Astral Pirates steal, anyway?

Souls. Karma. Emotions. Luck.

[The Jopp]

You mean the Space Pirate's captain, right? Because he doesn't seem like an Astral Pirate, much less an Astral Pirate captain.


... What do Astral Pirates steal, anyway?

Ok, if that's the space pirate captain we have nothing to worry about. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[The Jopp]

There's been Matrix Pirates for years. It's the ASTRAL Pirates you have to watch out for.Here's their captain.

They do have a funky theme though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkjWyPC9Sm4

[Falconer]

PAX,

RAW or not... the combined vehicle rules for any tractor-trailer are woefully incomplete.... that's all I'm saying.

The rules for any kind of trailer are pretty bad or nonexistent... excepting sidecars for bikes.


If you hitched a uhaul trailer behind your Rover 2068... it wouldn't make sense to treat them as a combined vehicle. There is no RAW to say how exactly that's handled with a tractor-trailer combo.

[kzt]

RAW or not... the combined vehicle rules for any tractor-trailer are woefully incomplete.... that's all I'm saying.

The rules for any kind of trailer are pretty bad or nonexistent... excepting sidecars for bikes.

The vehicle rules are pretty much uniformly "pretty bad or nonexistent". Just another group/GM decision.

[_Pax._]

PAX,

RAW or not... the combined vehicle rules for any tractor-trailer are woefully incomplete.... that's all I'm saying.

The rules for any kind of trailer are pretty bad or nonexistent... excepting sidecars for bikes.

Yes, I was agreeing with you.

[Krishach]

Not so, a full sized trailer. A trailer that could hold two Body-10 cars (e.g., Mercury Comets), just by loading them nose-to-tail, with room to spare.

still not as big as a tree. Certainly not as long, and I doubt the plant is purely linear. Western Red Cedars, which are native to places like Seattle outreaches, grow to up to 200 ft long and 20ft spread. Body determines carry, if I recall. Also, the space needed for lift is dependent on the gas, assuming gas is the only variable for lift at that.
As has been said, the rules for 4th ed are pretty nondescript. We back-referenced 3rd ed vehicle books for similar items in our group. As it appear you have? a roadmaster and tractor-trailer, have you considered a small plane? You can get a Tundra-9 if you truly break the bank at character creation, or you can get a yellow jacket without having to use Born Rich and In Debt.

[almost normal]

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I just wanted a decent rig. If I wanted the best min/max possible, I wouldn't be playing a fucking mechanic.

[_Pax._]

still not as big as a tree.

So what?

I'm talking about "volume in which to put vehicle modifications". Not whether or not ic can carry a full-blown fraggin' redwood.

Body is not SIZE. Body is structural resilience and strength.

Honestly, modification limits should NEVER have been tied to Body. Never, ever, ever.

[ShadowDragon8685]

I just wanted a decent rig. If I wanted the best min/max possible, I wouldn't be playing a fucking mechanic.

The group already has a big rig. If you want something unique, perhaps the Mostran KVP-27T? It's on Page 111 of Arsenal, and it's.....

Wait, what? Body 8? Did they mis-type "18," there, because if a Hermes delivery van, which from all appearances is smaller, slimmer, and less sturdy, is Body 17, then that big beefy hovervan - described as a combination of a delivery van and mobile general store for wilderness areas - should be at least an 18.

[kzt]

Wait, what? Body 8? Did they mis-type "18," there, because if a Hermes delivery van, which from all appearances is smaller, slimmer, and less sturdy, is Body 17, then that big beefy hovervan - described as a combination of a delivery van and mobile general store for wilderness areas - should be at least an 18.

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[ShadowDragon8685]

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Well, that's nice and enigmatic...

I think I'm gonna have to say that the hovercraftvan is Body 18. It makes it a sane purchase for a Shadowrunner.