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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 136 Joined: 16-April 08 Member No.: 15,899 ![]() |
Out of curiosity, I know there are variants on the classic metahumans in the 4ed books.
Unfortunately I don't know which book has them. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Validating Posts: 2,492 Joined: 19-April 12 Member No.: 51,818 ![]() |
Runner's Companion.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 ![]() |
In fact, if it's a racial/metatype varient rule thats not in the main book, it's in Runner's Companion.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 315 Joined: 6-August 06 Member No.: 9,032 ![]() |
To spare you the trouble of reading:
You can generally skip on night ones and focus on fomori (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 5-December 07 From: Lower UCAS, along the border Member No.: 14,507 ![]() |
Boo, get out of here.
Fskin' optimizers, always underfoot. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
It is true, though, that the metavariants seem to have costs with little rhyme or reason to them. Some seem to be arbitrarily more expensive than the base metatype despite being more disadvantaged, while others have abilities that make them a bargain despite the slight cost increase.
Runner's Companion also has rules for even more exotic character options, such as changelings (people mutated by SURGE), shapeshifters, drakes, infected (vampires, ghouls, etc.), sapient critters (pixies, nagas, etc.), AI's, and free spirits. Some of the rules are not without controversy, and all of them are optional, so you might want to run it by your GM if you want to play a metavariant, or other unusual type. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 5-December 07 From: Lower UCAS, along the border Member No.: 14,507 ![]() |
I think it was in the last argument over metavariant costs that someone mentioned that they had a houserule that just made all metas the same cost, gradually going up. I can't remember the exact count, but it started pretty low with elves and dwarves.
Maybe it was one of Franks? Dunno. But as someone that likes to play the more exotic flavors of Shadowrun, and encourages their use in his games, I would support a drastic re-measurement of the BP costs. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 ![]() |
I am personally a huge fan of Drakes. All the fun of a shapeshifter but none of the hassle of being Dual-Natured. Plus they are a little underpowered so GM's are more likely to allow them.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
Drakes are dual-natured in their drake form.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,416 Joined: 4-March 06 From: Albuquerque Member No.: 8,334 ![]() |
Right, but once you shift, it's already apparent what you are, so being DN is really not the bigger issue at that point. The fact that you just assigned a gigantic bullseye to yourself is.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,105 Joined: 23-August 10 Member No.: 18,961 ![]() |
A gigantic bullseye costing loads of BP in exchange for powers that don't work.
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1,105 Joined: 23-August 10 Member No.: 18,961 ![]() |
The innate armor works. The hardened, not so much.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: 26-August 10 Member No.: 18,972 ![]() |
neither drakes nor fomori, however, are variants on the classic metahuman, but independent conditions.
Runners Companion has them all. And the costs for them do seem completely arbitrary at times. pg 70-72 |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
neither drakes nor fomori, however, are variants on the classic metahuman, but independent conditions. Runners Companion has them all. And the costs for them do seem completely arbitrary at times. pg 70-72 Ummmmm... Fomori are variants of Trolls. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
He may be thinking of fomoraig, rather than fomori.
But no, what am I thinking, no one could get two dissimilar words like that confused. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
He may be thinking of fomoraig, rather than fomori. But no, what am I thinking, no one could get two dissimilar words like that confused. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) And it used to be worse.... |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 ![]() |
Drakes are dual-natured in their drake form. Yes, but perma DN characters, like ghouls and shapeshifters, are easy prey for astral magicians, and have a lot of trouble with stuff like wards. A drake can fly in DN form(usually), and can always turn it off when it's not convenient. |
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