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Umidori
post Aug 3 2012, 05:01 PM
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So I seem to have a knack for finding these sorts of things...

QUOTE ( Arsenal @ p. 159 - Break Weapon)
Breaking an opponent’s weapon requires skill and, in some cases, brute strength. A character with the Break Weapon maneuver may make a Called Shot (see p. 149, SR4) with a +1 dice pool modifier to attack the opponent’s weapon; treat this as destroying a Barrier (see Destroying Barriers, p.157, SR4). At the gamemaster’s discretion, the remains of a destroyed weapon may still be used as an improvised weapon (see Improvised Melee Weapons,p. 17).

...and...

QUOTE ( SR4A @ p.166 - Destroying Barriers)
If a character is attacking a barrier with intent to destroy it (or create a hole), resolve the attack normally. Since barriers can’t dodge, the attack test is unopposed. The purpose of the attack test is to generate extra hits to add to the Damage Value. If a character got no hits, then only apply the base Damage Value. The only way a character could “miss” is if he got a critical glitch on the attack test. A character may use Demolitions as the attack skill if he has the proper materials and time to set charges.


What I'm taking away from a literal reading of this is that the Break Weapon maneuver can never miss? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)

I'm kind of amazed at how many of these stupid rules end up this way. So many cases of failing to fully think through the implications of what the wording is actually saying in referencing other rules for newly added systems, all in the name of hitting those magical word count numbers.

I'm even more amazed no one's caught this before. They probably have, but a couple cursory searches didn't turn up anything.

~Umi
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- Umidori   Stupid Martial Arts Maneuver Question   Aug 3 2012, 05:01 PM
- - almost normal   A barrier *can't* dodge. A person can. GM...   Aug 3 2012, 05:09 PM
|- - ZeroPoint   QUOTE (almost normal @ Aug 3 2012, 01:09 ...   Aug 3 2012, 05:15 PM
|- - almost normal   QUOTE (ZeroPoint @ Aug 3 2012, 01:15 PM) ...   Aug 3 2012, 05:15 PM
- - Speed Wraith   I can see how you take it that way, but I wouldn...   Aug 3 2012, 05:13 PM
|- - almost normal   QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Aug 3 2012, 01:13 P...   Aug 3 2012, 05:15 PM
|- - ZeroPoint   QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Aug 3 2012, 01:13 P...   Aug 3 2012, 05:16 PM
- - bannockburn   Barriers can't dodge. People wearing the weapo...   Aug 3 2012, 05:13 PM
|- - Speed Wraith   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Aug 3 2012, 01:13 PM...   Aug 3 2012, 05:15 PM
- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   I See it as 2 seperate things... Attacking a Weap...   Aug 3 2012, 05:19 PM
|- - ZeroPoint   QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 3 2012, 01...   Aug 3 2012, 05:24 PM
- - Umidori   My point was just that the rules say "Handle ...   Aug 3 2012, 05:41 PM
|- - All4BigGuns   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 3 2012, 12:41 PM) My...   Aug 3 2012, 05:42 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Yes. Seven words cost $15.   Aug 3 2012, 05:49 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 3 2012, 11:49 AM)...   Aug 3 2012, 05:50 PM
|- - All4BigGuns   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 3 2012, 11:49 AM)...   Aug 3 2012, 05:57 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Aug 3 2012, 10:57 AM...   Aug 3 2012, 06:10 PM
||- - All4BigGuns   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 3 2012, 01:10 PM) Th...   Aug 3 2012, 06:21 PM
|- - _Pax._   QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Aug 3 2012, 01:57 PM...   Aug 3 2012, 09:09 PM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (All4BigGuns @ Aug 3 2012, 05:57 PM...   Aug 4 2012, 05:42 AM
- - bannockburn   Sorry to spoil the CGL bashing, but first you need...   Aug 3 2012, 05:52 PM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Aug 3 2012, 11:52 AM...   Aug 3 2012, 07:04 PM
- - Umidori   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Aug 3 2012, 10:52 AM...   Aug 3 2012, 06:05 PM
|- - bannockburn   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 3 2012, 08:05 PM) Of...   Aug 3 2012, 06:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   QUOTE The 10 to 15 dollar price increase on each c...   Aug 3 2012, 06:23 PM
- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 3 2012, 07:05 PM) Yo...   Aug 3 2012, 07:07 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 3 2012, 12:07 PM)...   Aug 3 2012, 07:50 PM
||- - Aerospider   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 3 2012, 08:50 PM) Do...   Aug 3 2012, 11:42 PM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 3 2012, 12:07 PM)...   Aug 4 2012, 05:09 AM
- - Krishach   The wording on this is correct, though I feel the ...   Aug 4 2012, 12:00 AM
- - Umidori   The problem with that line of thinking is that if ...   Aug 4 2012, 03:19 AM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Umidori @ Aug 3 2012, 10:19 PM) Th...   Aug 4 2012, 04:28 AM
|- - Speed Wraith   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 4 2012, 12:28 AM) ...   Aug 4 2012, 11:01 PM
|- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Speed Wraith @ Aug 4 2012, 07:01 P...   Aug 5 2012, 04:01 AM
- - Yerameyahu   QUOTE the more I realize how many erratas have bee...   Aug 4 2012, 05:19 AM
|- - Udoshi   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 3 2012, 10:19 PM)...   Aug 4 2012, 05:24 AM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 3 2012, 10:19 PM)...   Aug 4 2012, 04:14 PM
- - _Pax._   I've got to agree with Umidori, here. Catalys...   Aug 4 2012, 05:25 PM
- - Falconer   Disagree, I sincerely doubt the matrix rules SR50 ...   Aug 4 2012, 05:38 PM
- - Halinn   Errata doesn't in itself generate any profits,...   Aug 4 2012, 08:19 PM
- - Udoshi   Propulsion System requires Pilot Upgrade, which tu...   Aug 5 2012, 05:20 AM


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