Detecting concealed weapons Options

[Byrel]

In SR4A, it says that people can detect concealed weapons using a perception test, applying the concealability modifiers.

My question is, what threshold do you use on the test?

[FuelDrop]

I think palming probably comes into play somewhere. My group would likely make it an opposed check.

[Byrel]

I was thinking for a nonopposed test; PC's sitting at a table and simply being observed without his knowledge.

[FriendoftheDork]

I was thinking for a nonopposed test; PC's sitting at a table and simply being observed without his knowledge.

Palming is to conceal the weapons better in the first place, otherwise threshold would be 1. An unskilled character is probably better off not rolling.


The GM might simply roll a Palming test for a character secretly, so he doesn't know how well concealed his weapons are.

[Raiden]

all weapons have a base conealabillityu modifier. light pistols get -1 or 0 heavy pistols are at 0 or +1 and so on and so forth. you could make somthing fromthis system. or do as stated above. or you could rule that he isnt hiding it.

[Byrel]

Well, that makes palming a lot more important than I realized, for non-pickpocketers.
Thanks!

[ShadowDragon8685]

Well, that makes palming a lot more important than I realized, for non-pickpocketers.
Thanks!

Or you could get the group Palmer to conceal your weapons on your person.

[FriendoftheDork]

Or you could get the group Palmer to conceal your weapons on your person.

You suddenly made me think of an old lecherous man called "The Palmer." Yesh, i can conceal it real good like miss... meh meh meh"

[Lionhearted]

You suddenly made me think of an old lecherous man called "The Palmer." Yesh, i can conceal it real good like miss... meh meh meh"

I was more thinking off a mother getting her kids ready for school.
"Now dear don't forget your switchblade... Tis rough times, here let me hide it for you"

[kzt]

It's actually very hard to spot someone carrying a small (or not so small) gun in a decent appropriate holster. Particularly if they are not moving and are used to carrying it.

Not that reality has much to do with any of the SR gun rules...

[Stingray]

It's actually very hard to spot someone carrying a small (or not so small) gun in a decent appropriate holster. Particularly if they are not moving and are used to carrying it.

Not that reality has much to do with any of the SR gun rules...

..when combining Concealed Holster, decent Palming skill and Legerdemain-speciality ( That speciality is
for hiding things under the clothing, right??), it is almost impossible to spot firearm..

[Krishach]

that is the point, though, isn't it? If concealment and legality was not an issue, I'd never carry less than a battle rifle or sniper rifle.

[Xenefungus]

Actually, that +6 perception modifier for katanas/assault rifles is not that bad at all. If you are good at palming, that won't help anybody to notice that large weapon you are carrying. RAW-shit as its best - again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Stingray]

Actually, that +6 perception modifier for katanas/assault rifles is not that bad at all. If you are good at palming, that won't help anybody to notice that large weapon you are carrying. RAW-shit as its best - again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

..so true.. Agility 9, Palming (Legerdemain) 6 (+2), and Lined Coat/Greatcoat.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[ShadowDragon8685]

It's not all that impossible to imagine someone concealing an assault rifle or a katana (especially a katana, which is a LOT less bulky than an assault rifle,) under an enormous, bulky coat.

[Lionhearted]

Would a troll hiding a human sized katana in his trenchcoat get an extra modifier? Bigger coat, smaller sword

[FuelDrop]

Would a troll hiding a human sized katana in his trenchcoat get an extra modifier? Bigger coat, smaller sword

Well to a troll the katana is just a knife...

[Dolanar]

Under the Using Perception heading of the book there are some basic thresholds based on the observability of the target etc. for instance a hidden object has a threshold of 5+

[Lionhearted]

Well to a troll the katana is just a knife...

Hm, the troll called weapon rack, palming expert carries around half of the teams arsenal in his trenchcoat

[ShadowDragon8685]

Hm, the troll called weapon rack, palming expert carries around half of the teams arsenal in his trenchcoat

That's not so hard to imagine if most of the contents are assault rifles and smaller. Big sniper rifles is pushing it, and the rocket launchers and Steel Lynx are a little out-there, even for a troll.

[Halinn]

That's not so hard to imagine if most of the contents are assault rifles and smaller. Big sniper rifles is pushing it, and the rocket launchers and Steel Lynx are a little out-there, even for a troll.

"What's the concealability modifier on our Citymaster? 20, you say? I can do that."

[Kliko]

For Assault rifles, just think of the bank robbery scene from the film HEAT...

[Stingray]

For Assault rifles, just think of the bank robbery scene from the film HEAT...

Colt M733 in it's finest..
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

[Raiden]

Well to a troll the katana is just a knife...

more like a wakasashi.

[FriendoftheDork]

"What's the concealability modifier on our Citymaster? 20, you say? I can do that."

Luckily, the concealability modifier on anything larger than assault rifles/swords is more akin to "yeah, right!"


+6 for rifles and swords seems fine to me, what is really silly is that if someone feels your jacket he only gets +3 instead....