[X] My Assistant

[ElFenrir]

...Dragon Slash fic? this is relevant to my interests. (Dunk/Lofwyr all the way here...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )

Ehm, okay we were on 5th edition extras? Uhh...More Nightclubs!

[Draco18s]

...Dragon Slash fic? this is relevant to my interests. (Dunk/Lofwyr all the way here...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) )

Go ask Chrysalis about the one he already wrote. It's not Dunk/Lofwyr, but none the less enjoyable.

[ShadowJackal]

He says to someone who knows someone who writes porn stories on commission. $10.00 per 1000 words (or less*)

*Depends on volume and type (after 5000 words there's a discount, rough is cheaper than refined, etc).

I'm not sure if I could write that... I giggled and snickered through the only sex scene I've had to write. (Catholic girl fail!)

But that's not a bad rate... Anyone at Catalyst listening? (Or willing to pay that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

[Draco18s]

I'm not sure if I could write that... I giggled and snickered through the only sex scene I've had to write. (Catholic girl fail!)

I will admit to having written some porn myself (no, not linking it). I restrained from giggling though.

But that's not a bad rate... Anyone at Catalyst listening? (Or willing to pay that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) )

Really cheap, actually. Writing for a magazine pays more (on the order of 10x as much but they take pieces only 1/10th the length). It's meant to be affordable, on par with a full color digital artwork.

[ShadowJackal]

Really cheap, actually. Writing for a magazine pays more (on the order of 10x as much but they take pieces only 1/10th the length). It's meant to be affordable, on par with a full color digital artwork.

I work for $0.02 a word now, I wouldn't shun $10 per 1000 for something I'd enjoy writing.

[Lionhearted]

It scares me that this probably in line with forum rules (though not in spirit) 50 shades of Glasgow isn't although.

[Draco18s]

I wouldn't shun $10 per 1000 for something I'd enjoy writing.

Precisely. He/she* enjoys writing what they write, and has priced accordingly, as well as keeping in mind what the community they're offering their services to will pay.

*I actually don't know their biological or identity gender. They've mentioned RL gender issues, but I don't know which gender they are biologically or which one they identify with. My assumption is genetically male, but identifies as female. Another artist I know was subject to a botched circumcision and was raised female.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I work for $0.02 a word now, I wouldn't shun $10 per 1000 for something I'd enjoy writing.

You would take half what you get paid now for something that you enjoy? Hmmmmm... I could see that I guess... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[ShadowJackal]

You would take half what you get paid now for something that you enjoy? Hmmmmm... I could see that I guess... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

How many people write things they like for free? Maybe I'm enterprising because I'm self-employed but any job that pays more than minimum wage that you enjoy is what I'd consider a win-win.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

How many people write things they like for free? Maybe I'm enterprising because I'm self-employed but any job that pays more than minimum wage that you enjoy is what I'd consider a win-win.

No that works, I was just curious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I was just shocked to see you take a paycut from that $0.02 a word is all.

[ShadowJackal]

No that works, I was just curious. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I was just shocked to see you take a paycut from that $0.02 a word is all.

Meh, it's all circumstantial not like anyone's banging on my door to actually pay me. It was more a, "Wow, if you're willing to pay me to write that up I might consider it."

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Meh, it's all circumstantial not like anyone's banging on my door to actually pay me. It was more a, "Wow, if you're willing to pay me to write that up I might consider it."

Heh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Got it. I can guarantee that no one knocks down my door for my fiction. *shrug*
Though I do have a friend or two for whom I proof their work and offer critique. Gratis, obviously, though I usually get a good read as well. *shrug* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Draco18s]

Heh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Got it. I can guarantee that no one knocks down my door for my fiction. *shrug*
Though I do have a friend or two for whom I proof their work and offer critique. Gratis, obviously, thoguh I usually get a good read as well. *shrug* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Reminds me that my dad, a few months back, said to my mom, "I wonder how [old friend] is doing" and the next day, said old friend calls him up with "Hey, I've been writing this story, you want to give me some feedback?"

Mom didn't enjoy it much, and I didn't read it, so I can't say for sure if it was any good or not.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Reminds me that my dad, a few months back, said to my mom, "I wonder how [old friend] is doing" and the next day, said old friend calls him up with "Hey, I've been writing this story, you want to give me some feedback?"

Mom didn't enjoy it much, and I didn't read it, so I can't say for sure if it was any good or not.

I have been fortunate so far; the stories have been mostly good, and one was even published afterwards. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Draco18s]

I have been fortunate so far; the stories have been mostly good, and one was even published afterwards. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That's good. Getting published once is the hard part.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

That's good. Getting published once is the hard part.

Indeed... Apparently, he is working on a couple of various transcripts right now. They are not too bad, but they have been languishing for a bit as the author goes back to College.

[_Pax._]

I work for $0.02 a word now, I wouldn't shun $10 per 1000 for something I'd enjoy writing.

$10 is 1,000 cents.

$10 for 1,000 words is $0.01 per word

You're ALREADY getting $20-per-1000.

[Wakshaani]

$10 is 1,000 cents.

$10 for 1,000 words is $0.01 per word

You're ALREADY getting $20-per-1000.

Slogwork vs funwork.

$20 to write something you don't want to do (Like, say, a paper on Chester A. Arthur's economic intentions) vs $10 to write something that you'd enjoy (Grimmy the Grimoire reads DNA/DOA and gives helpful hints along the way!)

In short, you have to pay more for the dull stuff.

Heck, I probably dropped a hundred thousand words on a forum roleplay two years ago, and I didn't get a penny from that! (Heck, left work early a few times to make sure I didn't miss an online event, so I *lost* money writing!)

[ShadowJackal]

Slogwork vs funwork.

$20 to write something you don't want to do (Like, say, a paper on Chester A. Arthur's economic intentions) vs $10 to write something that you'd enjoy (Grimmy the Grimoire reads DNA/DOA and gives helpful hints along the way!)

In short, you have to pay more for the dull stuff.

Heck, I probably dropped a hundred thousand words on a forum roleplay two years ago, and I didn't get a penny from that! (Heck, left work early a few times to make sure I didn't miss an online event, so I *lost* money writing!)

Yeah, I was about to say, I just *may* have already devoted a few hundred thousand words to some SR dragon fanfic >.> . Getting paid for something I like to write would be nice.

[sk8bcn]

My own wishlist:

1- Not a refinement of rules, but a deeper modification in mechanics. IMO, a game should have 1 edition, 1 refinement edition, then something new (and better if possible). There was issues in 3rd like in 4th, find us something that would please everyone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

2- A huge book in terms of pages including, rules, optional rules, a sight of the 6th world, a good sight of Seattle and a short introductive scenario.

3- A modular game: A simple, straightforward base system covering each aspect of the game, with some play-subtilities (like reserve or karma effects, whatsoever). A set of optional rulings, allowing the GM to make the game more complicated if he desires. Create a sheet of rule reference were the GM can check the rules he included in the game. Allow optional rules to make the game-style deadlier or more heroic.

4- Cover infiltration in the rulebook as a true part of it.

[Odsh]

This is slightly off-topic, but I wish I could have the opportunity to review the 5th edition ruleset before it was released and give my feedback to the devs. I'm quite good at grasping game mechanics and spotting errors, inaccuracies and loopholes in the rules. There were quite a few in SR4, some of them have been corrected in errata, others not.
I'm not sure how to apply for reviewing or "beta-testing" the 5th edition, or if that's even possible. If someone has more information about that, I would be very interested.

[Micawber]

This is slightly off-topic [...]

Have your read the last twenty posts or so? You are totally on topic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


I for one am very curious what they do with the Geneva plot... some parts of 'Clutch of Dragons' made me think Lofwyr will deal with his bro in the near future but I'd actually really enjoy to have the dragons-run-rampant city around a little longer. I think it would also manage to get more GMs stage runs in Europe as it would be quite a unique place where one can "deal with a dragon" in a more... direct and lethal way.

[S.N.D.]

All points regarding production dates for gear have been made. Move on.

I don't believe this is true and will now refute it by posting novel points for your consideration.

The living world is one of the most attractive aspects of the Shadowrun franchise. It is a story which has evolved and it contains settings which exist only in a certain time and place. Novel settings in SR are not exactly popping up like daisies, and, in my experience, this leads active GMs to look to the past. Anything which makes that easier on GMs is good, and anything that maintains that consistent living world is good. Finally, anything that helps people play the game the way they want to play it is good. You like cyberdecks and hate TMs? Then play a pre-crash 2.0 setting. The rules are included!*

*Rules currently not included. Enjoy 2075 and the gradual slouch toward transhumanism. (Wait, were people complaining about this very issue earlier in the thread? And I'm proposing an alternative which allows both sides to be satisfied? What a waste of time. We should probably lock the thread or something.)

Besides, every player deserves to be able to play those iconic runs and experience the whole setting, otherwise it presents a barrier of entry for new players, like walking in halfway through a movie. And as a player, you can look at gear as something that evolves with you. It's that whole living world thing again. If an Ares Alpha is the greatest small arm that has or will ever be created, and you can pick one up on chargen, then it's boring. It's always boring to start at the top and try to stay there. But what if you're in a black site or zero zone and opfor drops a crazy new gun you've never seen before? Is that exciting? OH MY YES. It seems that by expending effort and taking risks, you have gained access to something novel and useful! This is an experience that a player could very easily have if they are denied access to weapons and gear created beyond a certain date when building their characters. It's also an excuse for other gear to exist when there is an obviously superior choice in the mix (see other folk complaining about this earlier in the thread.) [PROTIP for developers: make the latest gear better, statwise, valuewise or accessory-wise.]


I believe that creating the base SR5 books as a rock-solid rule set rather than a comprehensive world set makes sense as an evolution of the game. New players can still play food fight without reading the history of the Universal Brotherhood in Chapter 1 of the base book, so why you gotta ruin their surprise?

As a closing argument in favor of reintegrating the experiences of playing old books with new improved rule sets, look at SRR vs. SRO. Sure there's a lot of mitigating factors there, but nostalgia is a god damn goldmine and only a fool walks away from it. MILK IT.


Finally a rebuttal.
If it's too hard to look for when a piece of gear might have been introduced in book form, then make up a date. Just invent one. This is a game of make-believe. I don't care what it is, as long as it makes some sort of internal sense. (Well, the slivergun will never make internal sense...) In the end, if it's not perfect enough for the neckbeards, then they will happily, and loudly, correct you. At this point, they have done your research for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

$10 is 1,000 cents.

$10 for 1,000 words is $0.01 per word

You're ALREADY getting $20-per-1000.

Which was the entire point (pointing out that there was a paycut involved) of Post 333. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
And I understand the sentiment... Sometimes taking a paycut for things that you enjoy is okay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Patrick Goodman]

And I understand the sentiment... Sometimes taking a paycut for things that you enjoy is okay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Why do you think most of us write for Shadowrun, TJ? It's not the money, that's for sure (though that's nice). Don't get me wrong there, we like the money, but many of us make a lot more at our day jobs, and if we didn't love the game, the pay wouldn't be worth it.