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> So our GM did something really weird to us..., Looking for solutions
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post Jan 16 2013, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jan 15 2013, 06:36 AM) *
If I were to rate the penalties based on severity from most to least....

Serial Murderer
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Dumpshocker
Immaculate Conception

Wait, wait... so the rigger suffers from a compulsion to visit matrix forums and get into long-winded arguments about obscure RPG rules? That's going too far!!
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post Jan 16 2013, 04:12 AM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 16 2013, 12:05 PM) *
Wait, wait... so the rigger suffers from a compulsion to visit matrix forums and get into long-winded arguments about obscure RPG rules? That's going too far!!

Agreed. Even GMs need standards.
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post Jan 16 2013, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 15 2013, 10:05 PM) *
Wait, wait... so the rigger suffers from a compulsion to visit matrix forums and get into long-winded arguments about obscure RPG rules? That's going too far!!


Nope. No metatype change. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jan 16 2013, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 16 2013, 12:05 AM) *
Wait, wait... so the rigger suffers from a compulsion to visit matrix forums and get into long-winded arguments about obscure RPG rules? That's going too far!!


I think he just plays Paranoia all day long now.
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post Jan 16 2013, 05:32 PM
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QUOTE (Teulisch @ Jan 16 2013, 11:51 AM) *
on that chestburster idea... it could be symbiont bioware. perhaps she gets to alpha-test the new research from Ares (you know, the corp that tends to work with bug spirits a bit too much). a genetically engineered parasite could do all sorts of crazy things. lets hope its not magically active.

in general, it sounds to me like the GM took things a bit too far, but having Very Bad Things happen to runners who get captured is sort of expected. the stuff in this case sounds very random and strange though. any Corp with 3 weeks access would make better use of PAB and cortex bombs, and either get themselves some sleeper agents, or a mission they cant refuse at very high risk with your lives as the payment.

the random seeming results though.... my best guess would be toxic shamans, perhaps a possession tradition. 3 weeks is a long time for ritual magic after all.

For the bulge our sniper had, that would be a rather massive symbiont thingy. Toxic shamans give me the creeps. This whole thing gives me the creeps.
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post Jan 16 2013, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE (DamHawke @ Jan 16 2013, 01:32 PM) *
For the bulge our sniper had, that would be a rather massive symbiont thingy. Toxic shamans give me the creeps. This whole thing gives me the creeps.


Do... elves have a ridiculously short gestation period? Your group was out for 3 months. Three months pregnant would barely show on a human.
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post Jan 16 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Jan 17 2013, 02:07 AM) *
Do... elves have a ridiculously short gestation period? Your group was out for 3 months. Three months pregnant would barely show on a human.

I don't think so. I say rather large because most implantable creepy crawlies to my knowledge aren't exactly big enough that they're actually obvious from the outside?

*shrug* GM said we were out for 3 months based on what our characters gathered after waking up. Could have been longer for all I know.
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post Jan 16 2013, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (DamHawke @ Jan 16 2013, 11:32 AM) *
For the bulge our sniper had, that would be a rather massive symbiont thingy. Toxic shamans give me the creeps. This whole thing gives me the creeps.


If the situation is creeping you, the player, out, then the GM needs to rewind and undo all that stuff. If anyone is uncomfortable, then that line needs to be dropped and something else put in its place.
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post Jan 27 2013, 11:39 PM
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The sniper will be out of the game soon. You can't lie on you belly for hours waiting for your target to come into your kill zone with a baby on board

It's called abortion. And since she can take watching peoples' heads explode through a scope, that shouldn't be hard on her. And hey, 3rd month is not even a fish.

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Do... elves have a ridiculously short gestation period?

12 months, by RAW.

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Every 24h you must go wookiee or you do it on your mate does not make for fun roleplaying.

It is definitly bad. And I seriously doubt any elf would want to run with him. No amount of Charisma can make up for being used as a battery charge.

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For the bulge our sniper had, that would be a rather massive symbiont thingy.

*sigh* Your GM doesn't know much about women, does he? Or is this on purpose?

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Again, this one is the kicker. There is absolutely, positively no excuse for doing this to a character. ESPECIALLY when saying that you wouldn't do it if the gender of player and character matched.

I happen to agree with All4 here.

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This whole thing gives me the creeps.

As for creeps, the Face bothers me most. That is FATAL levels of creep.

Generally, maybe you should sit down and talk with your GM about this, as a group. It seems you are rather uncomfortable with the campaign as is. Maybe you can work things out, he has stuff planned, and there's a decent explaination to all this.
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post Jan 28 2013, 04:19 PM
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Next session, not long after the party awakened in the ward and escaped, the party was pretty much made to tie up a loose end of their previous job before they got knocked out, on the same day. We weren't given time to investigate what had happened to us, but our medic checked out most of the party while the Face managed to drag himself to a street doc they knew. And it was a coincidence that the only people in the doc's clinic that day were female elves.

The Face then spectacularly failed his will save and tried to rape one of the patients in the street doc's office before security tackled him. And no the party didn't find it funny at all. Seeing our discomfort he put a partial lid on the shenanigans by allowing us drugs that made majority of the party's symptoms dormant (for now)

Sniper persuaded the Doc to do surgery (expensive surgery..cost like 40K and this was after a nego to let him keep whatever he dug out) to remove the creeper in her belly, which turned out to be a rather large parasitic tumour, which after removed was still alive and self sufficient...Doc jarred it for analysis. It was some evil combo of both a virus and some nanotech that all the PCs were infected with, intentionally.

Because our damn Johnson knew something about it, and we must be interesting enough to someone to be guinea pigs considering someone actually paid all our rent for 3 months.

Our medic (wasn't present last session) was afflicted with some magical Pikachu powers, where he discharges 6S electrical on the 1st thing he touches in the morning. Including himself if he fails his BOD roll and he refuses to take the meds because he's too paranoid.

Seems to be it was all a setup for a HUGE storyline, so players have all agreed to roll with it as long as he allows us all to get out of this mess at the end of it.

On a random note, our Sam has taken to abducting people and shoving them into his closet to keep for his daily killins'. VR works out for him but he doesn't quite get the satisfaction (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Jan 28 2013, 04:41 PM
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Explain why you haven't offed the sammy again?
Also, called it on the sniper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 28 2013, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Jan 28 2013, 05:41 PM) *
Explain why you haven't offed the sammy again?

Random hobo slaughter works wonders to avoid becoming stressed by your day to day work.
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post Jan 28 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (DamHawke @ Jan 28 2013, 11:19 AM) *
[...] it was a coincidence that the only people in the doc's clinic that day were female elves.

The Face then spectacularly failed his will save and tried to rape one of the patients in the street doc's office [...]

Full stop. WALK AWAY. This "GM" (and I hesitate to sully the term by using it for that creep) isn't worth your time.

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[...] players have all agreed to roll with it [...]

Huge mistake.
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post Jan 28 2013, 06:22 PM
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Whatever huge storyline this is when you press buttons that are beyond socially acceptable, it just screams of someone with a F.A.T.A.L. affliction. I would drop this game like a hot potato.
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post Jan 28 2013, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Jan 28 2013, 12:16 PM) *
Full stop. WALK AWAY. This "GM" (and I hesitate to sully the term by using it for that creep) isn't worth your time.


Huge mistake.


Agreed on all counts. Excise him from your group completely and permanently, and have someone else take over the GM seat.
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post Jan 28 2013, 06:30 PM
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the Face managed to drag himself to a street doc they knew. And it was a coincidence that the only people in the doc's clinic that day were female elves.

The Face then spectacularly failed his will save and tried to rape one of the patients in the street doc's office before security tackled him. And no the party didn't find it funny at all. Seeing our discomfort he put a partial lid on the shenanigans by allowing us drugs that made majority of the party's symptoms dormant (for now)

*groan*

Well, at least that. Still, this sounds like you have one highly immature GM.

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it just screams of someone with a F.A.T.A.L. affliction. I would drop this game like a hot potato.

I kinda agree to that, but maybe you should talk to him first about this. Like, why does he make one character a compulsive rapist, one a compulsive killer, one rape-bait/alien pregnancy, and one a Pikatchu who zaps himself while "touching himself in the morning"? I think there are some issues he might want to get out. That, or he just keeps his fantasies where they belong, between him, his porn, lube and kleenex.
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post Jan 28 2013, 07:46 PM
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Yea, I'm going to pretty much parrot what most other people have said and tell you to run while you can. Mucking about with your character under 'cutscene power' is already iffy, at best. But telling you that you now have to play your character a certain way, or bad things happen, already speaks of a controlling gm. Add in the fact that there is the noted F.A.T.A.L. undertones, and the gm seems like he wants to act out some decidedly twisted sexual fantasies on your characters.

Bare minimum, for handing such serious flaws, the gm should give you all something sweet to compensate for it. But with the exact details of how he's f-ed with your characters, I would drop this game like a bad habit. Hell, I would probably stop associating with the gm completely, since he really seems like a creepy SOB.

Of course, take this with the usual disclaimer of my only having one side of the story to this. I don't know if having the gm's sides of things would change anything, though.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:25 PM
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Holy crap, what a mess of a GM.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:32 PM
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That's some pretty volatile responses.
To me it just seem like a GM who tried going darker and grittier (Im not going to link TV tropes) without having the slightest idea on how to deal with it, kinda like JK Rowling.
Im going out on a limb here, but per chance are the group accustomed to heroic style games complete with no moral ambiguity and colour coded dragons for your convenience™?
Moral grey zones is very integral to a cyberpunk setting but it's very hard to get right, especially if you're not accustomed to it.
Other times people don't quite know how to handle the freedom that comes with a more "mature" style of game.

Tis pure speculation of course, still... Suggesting to ex-communicate someone because of a off beat story choice, especially when you're not privy to the details... Seem a bit harsh to me.
Maybe I'm just desensitised from spending to much time on the internet though.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Jan 28 2013, 03:32 PM) *
That's some pretty volatile responses.
To me it just seem like a GM who tried going darker and grittier (Im not going to link TV tropes) without having the slightest idea on how to deal with it, kinda like JK Rowling.
Im going out on a limb here, but per chance are the group accustomed to heroic style games complete with no moral ambiguity and colour coded dragons for your convenience™?
Moral grey zones is very integral to a cyberpunk setting but it's very hard to get right, especially if you're not accustomed to it.
Other times people don't quite know how to handle the freedom that comes with a more "mature" style of game.

Tis pure speculation of course, still... Suggesting to ex-communicate someone because of a off beat story choice, especially when you're not privy to the details... Seem a bit harsh to me.
Maybe I'm just desensitised from spending to much time on the internet though.


Well, going "darker and grittier" is one thing. Will save to avoid rape is remarkably awful on its face.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:42 PM
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That's the definition of 'darker and grittier', tis not a compliment.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:50 PM
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No, Lion. You can go "darker and grittier" without the whole "will save to avoid rape" thing. There's dozens, no, SCORES of ways to do it, without "will save to avoid rape" ... especially when the save comes because the GM took their very absolute first opportunity to beat the player over the head with the triggering circumstance.
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:54 PM
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post Jan 28 2013, 08:58 PM
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Umm, ok so the PC's all have these quirks now--they may not have wanted them---but the question the GM and players need to have is if everyone is still having fun. Yeas a screwball situation, but they got nabbed by a corp/NPE and three months later they find themselves in a wired situation. Have you as players tried talking to any of your contacts? Have any of your players gone and done some matrix research to figure what the frag has happened in the last few months?
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post Jan 28 2013, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Jan 28 2013, 09:50 PM) *
No, Lion. You can go "darker and grittier" without the whole "will save to avoid rape" thing. There's dozens, no, SCORES of ways to do it, without "will save to avoid rape" ... especially when the save comes because the GM took their very absolute first opportunity to beat the player over the head with the triggering circumstance.

You can, but the phrase is most often used to refer to someone trying to take a story in a more mature direction and do so by just adding gore, sex, violence and whatever controversies that will push the rage buttons.
IE Doing it wrong
Apparently it's supposed to be Darker and edgier, my mistake.
TV tropes link detected, do not go there unless you wanna waste hours of your life
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