Magic in SR4 |
Magic in SR4 |
Jan 15 2013, 04:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120 |
so I am sure there is a thread... somewhere. in the huuuuuge black hole of threads on this site. about this. but I cannot find it. so I am asking in a new one. what is the general opinion on how to deal with combat magic. swap the drains for direct and indirect? just use the opt. rule for direct spells in the book. something I have not thought of? or if you know where to find the thread talking about this. give me a link and I would be very appreciative.
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Jan 15 2013, 04:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 13-November 11 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 43,494 |
Use the rules for "Noticing Magic" (SR4A, p.179). Concentrate fire on the Mage. Done.
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Jan 15 2013, 04:58 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Indeed... we find that there are no real changes that NEED to be made, as long as you are using all the rules.
Caveat: We do not have players at our tables that try to break the system either, so Your Mileage May Vary on that one. |
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Jan 15 2013, 05:51 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,576 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
I agree with the previous posts. If you use all the limitations built into the game, you don't need to change it. This does require the GM to work at knowing the rules of magic and thinking through consequences of its use.
A prime example is the astral 'signature' left by the use of magic. If a character uses powerful magic and fails to take the time to clean up after himself, he will leave an identifier that is unique to himself for all investigators. And any use of magic over Force 3 without proper credentials is considered illegal. So, yeah, on the fly blasting away the opposition looks cool and overpowering, till both corp security personnel and the police come looking for you. And in the middle of a running fight, who has the time or opportunity to spend the better part of a minute cleaning up after each spell? |
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Jan 15 2013, 05:57 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,018 Joined: 3-July 10 Member No.: 18,786 |
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Jan 15 2013, 06:36 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Source? All combat spells are illegal, but this is the first time I've heard that casting spells over a certain Force is. Holdover from previous Editions, I think. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jan 15 2013, 07:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120 |
I had overlooked the signature part. silly me. either way a force 3 fireball with as many dice as he has is going to hurt. specially with its after effect. most things die :/ till another mage pops up >:3
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Jan 15 2013, 07:59 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,930 Joined: 9-April 05 From: Scandinavian Union Member No.: 7,310 |
6DV can't kill anything...
(hit on spellcasting is limited to force) |
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Jan 15 2013, 08:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120 |
yes. but at the start of enemy round. they are usually on fire. and take another 6DV that round if I read correctly.
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Jan 15 2013, 08:06 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,930 Joined: 9-April 05 From: Scandinavian Union Member No.: 7,310 |
That's 3 hits! not net hits which means that actually getting 6 DV on force 3 he needs to miss all his defense dice.
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Jan 15 2013, 08:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120 |
true enough. but they still are out of the fight. they either A. stop to put themselves out. B continue fighting while on fire at a -1 already then at more - modifiers due to well.. being on freaking fire lol. but yes I shouldn't say "dead" just incapacitated.
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Jan 15 2013, 08:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 13-November 11 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 43,494 |
Well, instead of a fireball he could just throw a molotov cocktail for 5P fire damage or a white phosphorus grenade for 8P fire damage without any drain.
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Jan 15 2013, 08:34 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120 |
true but not many mojo users have the free karma handy at chargen to plop points into throwing skill. much less agi. to actually get close enough to the people to hit them. with the grenade.
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Jan 15 2013, 08:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 13-November 11 From: Vienna, Austria Member No.: 43,494 |
Well, for 1 point of essence and 38.000 nY one could get Muscle Toner 2, a Datajack, Skillwire System 3, and Rtg. 2 Cybereyes w/ low-light, thermographic, vision magnification and an eye light system. (All cyberware is alphaware).
Now the mage can plop money into skills, and greatly reduces his vision penalties. |
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Jan 15 2013, 08:49 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,930 Joined: 9-April 05 From: Scandinavian Union Member No.: 7,310 |
Bloody hell fire damage rules is a mess...
This is how it works out Our hero! Bob the guard gets a fireball thrown at him! (which is resolved as a range attack so things like cover matters) The mage get's three hits Bob has a DP of 7 (4 from cover, 3 from reaction) Bob got 2 hits! the DV of the fireball is now 4P. Bob rolls body+impact/2 (3+3) and gets 1 hit, Bob takes 3 boxes, yowtch! However on a tie the defender wins so his armor didn't catch on fire. (DV didn't exceed modified armor value) If it did he had until the end of the subsequent turn to influence the fire (stop,drop and roll!) before the Fire either increases, decreased or stayed the same. Stopping and dropping was enough to drop the fires rating by 2, it's now deals 1P that Bob resists normally. |
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Jan 15 2013, 09:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 755 Joined: 8-August 12 From: Geogia Member No.: 53,120 |
your assuming he even has half cover. also. fireball would not be used on a single target. thats what stunbolt/manabolt are for :3 usually the guard would be walking around in the open on patrol. or investigating a strange noise in the hall way. but indeed. he took a turn to drop and roll (if set fire) and next turn is prone and may or may not have a weapon drawn. i do like how you did that run through though lol. you just forgot to show the numbers he rolled XD.
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Jan 15 2013, 09:13 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,930 Joined: 9-April 05 From: Scandinavian Union Member No.: 7,310 |
In that scenario the fire suppression system would douse them when the carpet caught on fire.
and Bob would call for back up staying out of LoS (try hitting that fireball with -6 blindfire and cover) |
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Jan 15 2013, 09:16 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Remember one thing:
Technically, there is NO place without AT LEAST Rating 2 Background Count. And many places with BGC of 2. And still several with BGC3 and per plex still some dozend with BGC4. Especially in Corporate Laboratories and other such places. Either "natural" or by geomancy shenanigans. If you have electronic sensors everywhere, have BGC everywhere to level the field. |
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