[X] My Assistant

[tasti man LH]

...yea, no. A FA Assault Cannon is far too silly for my taste, even if it is feasible or not.

Just like how I warned against one of my players on how silly it would be if he tried to use his heli to air drop drones like it was 1944 in Normandy.

(because despite being plausible, that would be silly)

[StealthSigma]

...yea, no. A FA Assault Cannon is far too silly for my taste, even if it is feasible or not.

Just like how I warned against one of my players on how silly it would be if he tried to use his heli to air drop drones like it was 1944 in Normandy.

(because despite being plausible, that would be silly)

I'm questioning why that would be silly. In every situation? Yes. That is silly, but there are certainly cases where air dropping drones could be useful.

[tasti man LH]

Just the mental image of it raining drones like cats and dogs is enough for me to facepalm, despite how it's technically plausible.

Then again, this is the same guy who wanted to make all of his Steel Lynx drones essentially the Tachikomas from Ghost in the Shell...until I pointed out to him that drones can't really develop personalities of their own unless driven by a sentient AI.

[Stahlseele]

you realize that there are drones made especially for this right? O.o

[tasti man LH]

The air drop drones or the Tachikoma drones?

[Stahlseele]

airdrop at least.
and tachikoma are just medium to large size drones with wheels and walker adaption technically.
the only thing where they fall short is the no metahuman transportation capacity on any drone . .

[StealthSigma]

Well, airdropping drones into a compound would probably make security flip their shit and provide ample distraction for the rest of the team.

[tasti man LH]

Well, as long as he doesn't spam air-dropping drones like there's no tomorrow, it's fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Otherwise, the exploits of the man that Rains Drones will pass quickly throughout the corpsec world, and suddenly he'll find himself going up against facilities that are armed with Anti-Aircraft guns/drones.

(and hey, I have my own love of theatrics myself. hell, when the time comes for me to be a player and not a GM, my planned rigger character is going to do his best to recreate this famous scene, but with micro to mini drones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94K2eJnuCA)

[All4BigGuns]

Well, as long as he doesn't spam air-dropping drones like there's no tomorrow, it's fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

What about Drop Bear bio-drones? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[tasti man LH]

Eh? Biodrones?

*quickly looks them up*

...

...you people are SICK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

[SpellBinder]

That's what you get with unlimited funds and no scruples.

[StealthSigma]

Well, as long as he doesn't spam air-dropping drones like there's no tomorrow, it's fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Otherwise, the exploits of the man that Rains Drones will pass quickly throughout the corpsec world, and suddenly he'll find himself going up against facilities that are armed with Anti-Aircraft guns/drones.

(and hey, I have my own love of theatrics myself. hell, when the time comes for me to be a player and not a GM, my planned rigger character is going to do his best to recreate this famous scene, but with micro to mini drones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94K2eJnuCA)

If he's talking about air dropping drones then they're either really inexpensive and disposable (because recovery will be very difficult) or their very expensive and fewer in number and he will attempt to recover them.

[Umidori]

I'd just airdrop feral ghouls. Use enough of them and it's really hard to shoot them all out of the sky while they're parachuting down. And even if you do, that turns them into air-deployed HMHVV bombs.

~Umi

[Lionhearted]

Eh? Biodrones?
*quickly looks them up*
...
...you people are SICK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

*smirk* Wait until you look up dropbears, or stumble into the OG dropbear thread

[Dakka Dakka]

That said, I agree with you on modding the weapon. It isn't such a big deal to make this thing full auto since you can't pack that much recoil comp into it anyway (not a machine gun so no gas vent for you) and FA mod uses up a lot of your mod slots. Your only real option is the gyro mount and if you are pulling all this out in a gun fight then you better need it. You can bet the cops with respond with extreme prejudice if you do.

You put that weapon (or the modded Barrett if the assault acnnon rounds are special enough to disallow firing selection change) on a C-D Dalmatian modded for undetectability, so recoil is not an issue... wait a minute, what I can figure out the GM can as well and he has a bigger budget.

[KarmaInferno]

airdrop at least.
and tachikoma are just medium to large size drones with wheels and walker adaption technically.
the only thing where they fall short is the no metahuman transportation capacity on any drone . .

Rigger cocoon?

Or Special Storage + Rigger Cocoon if you want to be conservative about it.



-k

[Umidori]

You put that weapon (or the modded Barrett if the assault acnnon rounds are special enough to disallow firing selection change) on a C-D Dalmatian modded for undetectability, so recoil is not an issue... wait a minute, what I can figure out the GM can as well and he has a bigger budget.

Exactly. Once it becomes known that a runner team is doing missions in the region with a drone equipped with a FA assault cannon, the local corps are gonna take extra measures. That can be anything from more drones, to more mages, to more vehicles, to an enemy team of runners.

And even if the corps can't beef up their physical security at every conceivable target site, they can outfit an HTR team with a military gunship and have them on standby to respond to the next big break-in the runners pull off. Nothing drives a runner team to ground like the threat of Death From Above™.

~Umi

[toturi]

Exactly. Once it becomes known that a runner team is doing missions in the region with a drone equipped with a FA assault cannon, the local corps are gonna take extra measures. That can be anything from more drones, to more mages, to more vehicles, to an enemy team of runners.

And even if the corps can't beef up their physical security at every conceivable target site, they can outfit an HTR team with a military gunship and have them on standby to respond to the next big break-in the runners pull off. Nothing drives a runner team to ground like the threat of Death From Above™.

~Umi

I think the corps in question would do their own cost-benefit analysis. Depending on the runner team, such a threat might not work and may even backfire.

[ShadowDragon8685]

If the Runner team is slick enough, getting an HTR team put together against them might be exactly what they want, so they can then provoke an HTR response and intercept the HTR VTOL in the air and hijack it.

If you're crazy enough to air-drop drones equipped with full-auto panther cannons, you're crazy enough to try anything, and so crazy it might just work.



[e]Of course, at that point, if you're air-dropping drones with FA panthers and hijacking airborne HTR VTOLs, chances are the corps will be willing to pay you handsomely to go somewhere else. Or else pay to employ you. That's about the point where you should be making the transition from "Shadowrunners" to "Mercenaries," I'd say.

[Stahlseele]

Rigger cocoon?

Or Special Storage + Rigger Cocoon if you want to be conservative about it.



-k

i think the cocoon can only be placed into vehicles, not drones O.o

[Dakka Fiend]

I think the corps in question would do their own cost-benefit analysis. Depending on the runner team, such a threat might not work and may even backfire.

Especially as high-powered directional jammers (and maybe cannons that fire that sticky foam whatever it's called) are a more efficient approach. "Thanks for the drones. You may leave now."

[Summerstorm]

Eh, if you put that much stuff on a drone, you can have them upgraded to work perfectly independent und secure (Wifi disabled).. also load them up with bombs to selfdestruct. NOBODY gets my drones.

I remember having a rigger in my games (SR3) who had a roto-drone loaded up with two auto-cannons. Under the rules it had like a 15-minute usability and only ammo for about 2-3 combat rounds on board because it was so overmodded and heavy.

The damn thing got activated, heaved itself out of his vehicle flew a few meters to the targeted location and MURDERED everything, shooting through walls and cover, completly ruining whole buildings... then left and locked itself into the charging station. Fun times...

I don't have anything against that, or FA-modded Panther's. Those things always come back to you, and it's just over-the-top-fun.

[X-Kalibur]

Eh, if you put that much stuff on a drone, you can have them upgraded to work perfectly independent und secure (Wifi disabled).. also load them up with bombs to selfdestruct. NOBODY gets my drones.

I remember having a rigger in my games (SR3) who had a roto-drone loaded up with two auto-cannons. Under the rules it had like a 15-minute usability and only ammo for about 2-3 combat rounds on board because it was so overmodded and heavy.

The damn thing got activated, heaved itself out of his vehicle flew a few meters to the targeted location and MURDERED everything, shooting through walls and cover, completly ruining whole buildings... then left and locked itself into the charging station. Fun times...

I don't have anything against that, or FA-modded Panther's. Those things always come back to you, and it's just over-the-top-fun.

Rule of cool trumps all. And this coming from a rules lawyer! Sometimes it's okay to throw out rules to make the game fun and memorable... when done responsibly. As stated, there isn't really anything game breaking about an SA or FA PAC vs a modded out sniper rifle that can achieve the same level of destruction. Now, if you wanted to re-do the PAC ammo so that it had some sort of bonus against barriers (for busting thru walls and cars... and tanks........) then we could talk.

[SpellBinder]

Just expect the NPCs to do the same thing as well.

Got a burly ork toting around a full auto Panther cannon? Well, look out for the really burly troll down the street doing the exact same thing.

[tasti man LH]

^Just like the Squirt Gun Wars, so many years ago?