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Pepsi Jedi
post Mar 22 2013, 09:17 PM
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... We had better parties.....
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:22 PM
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Rome had much greater access to intoxicants and inebriants, far better hygiene, and a greater variety of cultures and ethnicities.

In terms of sheer debauchery, Scandinavia was a cheap whorehouse with watered down booze while Rome was a top tier penthouse pleasure parlour.

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post Mar 22 2013, 09:27 PM
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You need to stop watching Spartacus Umi (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:33 PM
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The whole "e-ghosts" taking people over thing could become apocalyptic pretty quick. Plus the Ares bug problem and the Azzies having the Sextant of the Worlds and a locus doesn't bode well.
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 22 2013, 05:22 PM) *
Rome had much greater access to intoxicants and inebriants, far better hygiene, and a greater variety of cultures and ethnicities.

In terms of sheer debauchery, Scandinavia was a cheap whorehouse with watered down booze while Rome was a top tier penthouse pleasure parlour.

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I meant the Celts, not the Vikings.
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE (Angelone @ Mar 22 2013, 05:33 PM) *
The whole "e-ghosts" taking people over thing could become apocalyptic pretty quick. Plus the Ares bug problem and the Azzies having the Sextant of the Worlds and a locus doesn't bode well.


Bodes well for the Azzies. lol
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 22 2013, 09:17 PM) *
... We had better parties.....


THIS is what happens thanks to the Celts being Vikinged (Verb ?)

for those that don't like Links .. google Up Helly-Aa ! ... damn weirdos (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but HELL That is a PARTY !
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 22 2013, 04:34 PM) *
Bodes well for the Azzies. lol
Who cares about them? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 22 2013, 04:36 PM) *
Who cares about them? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


Pyramid Watcher?
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 22 2013, 05:36 PM) *
Who cares about them? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


lol They, themselves do?

Heh. I'm an Ares boy myself. I'm sweatin' a lil, about some of the dumbass moves of my fave corp.
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post Mar 22 2013, 09:42 PM
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Can't wait for Aztlan to be swallowed by a blood magic singularity.

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post Mar 22 2013, 10:13 PM
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QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Mar 22 2013, 05:42 PM) *
Can't wait for Aztlan to be swallowed by a blood magic singularity.


While I totally agree with you. (( they're my corp I love to hate)) you'd think if it was going to happen, it'd have happened during that
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:21 PM
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I finally finished the book and compiling my notes into something vaguely coherent. This is my review. Brace yourselves, it has a lot of text. And not all of it is nice.

So this is Stormfront. The mini-game promised mixed blessings at best, and it wasn't lying. In fact, the blessings aren't only mixed, they're not particularly impressive for large parts. I have to say, I don't like the title art much. It has little relation to the book (despite Echo Chernik's claim that all these characters and everything happening there were written into the book, I couldn't find them), and it seems ... not up to what the book seems to want to be. Art is, otherwise, consistently high quality, and two pieces deserve special kudos; more on that in the appropriate section of the review.

What the hell does CGL hate about proper tables of content. This is supposed to be a print product, so there is no way you can get away by pointing out the bookmarks sidebar in PDF reader, because print products don't have that. The TOC is bland, doesn't tell me anything relevant and is just not helpful. The older, more detailed TOC were helpful, this ... is a page wasted.

Quality of writing varies widely. This is why I consider this not to be as bad as War!, though at times, it is. Other parts are quite good. It's a very, very mixed bag indeed.

Here's for more detailed reviews. Edit: added individual ratings for a quick overview for people who don't like walls of text.

"Review: Chapter 1 and 2 (Eye of the Hurricane/Aztlan's Triump(h))" 1/10
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Review: Chapter 3 (Fall of a dragon) 2/10
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Review (Chapter 4: Seattle Shakes) 8/10
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Review (Chapter 5: Lightning in Denver) 5/10
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Review (Chapter 6: Ares Trembles) 2/10
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Review (Chapter 7: Shadow network): Unrated
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Review (Chapter 8: First among Equals): 8/10
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Review (Chapters 9 and 10) 8/10 and 9/10
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Review Chapter 11: Escaping the Ghost Decade 6/10
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Chapters 12 & 13: Fractures/The Cracks Inside 8/10
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Review: Game Info 1/10
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There are several problems that perpetuate throughout the book. Some affect all chapters, some only a number; some chapters are affected worse than others. Some chapters are letdowns or just plain horrible, others are neat to very nice. It is not War!, the badness isn't omnipresent, but it isn't a good book either.

Bad editing persists. Bad proofing does, too. As Critas said, proofing is done on a 'if possible' base, which is just unprofessional for CGL to do. Editing seems not to have happened at all. Some of the articles are unfit as a draft, let alone for print. Bad stuff, CGL. You have managed better before.

The Shadowtalkers and other characters that have been previously established act wildly out of character depending on the writer. The shadowtalk is especially bad. Sometimes, I have the impression the writer just wrote something in Shadowtalk, and someone else randomly slapped Shadowtalker names to it. Also, story characters act bizarrely. Lofwyr, for instance, hires runners in bataillon strength because Saeder-Krupp suddenly has no more private army or something. The Greats then stay out of a fight against one of their own, instead of jumping into the fray. Harlequin wants to murderkill Ghostwalker and then suddenly is talked down by Ehran. Ghostwalker becomes all sulky and ignores Aztlan, which mere weeks before blasted a Great Dragon and is the most anti-dragon country ever, but suddenly he could care less. Lazy writing, no care for and with characterisation ... it's sometimes just plain horrible.

Now, I also noticed something, a culmination of a distasteful trend in SR writeups I have been following for a while now. I have my doubts this is even conscious for the most part, but it is there nonetheless.

All dead Jackpointers in this book are Non-Americans, non-Anglos. All who get saved, boosted or promoted are American. Four long established mercenary organisations are out of business - Combat, inc. (Hong Kong), MET 2000 (German/European) and Tsunami (Japanese)are effectively destroyed, and Black Star (German) is dead to a man, despite 'several' having been in custory of the FMC (being unintentionally realistic?) - but we have the Free MarySue Corps now (I will refer to them as this only after this post), who popped up out of nowhere and suddenly are the second biggest mercenary company because ... I dunno, reasons and manifest destiny? Roskosmos apparently employs only Americans on Gagarin base too, despite being a Russo-Japanese company. It was already pretty annoying in 10 Mercs - where all but three units were American. And before, in blanket assumptions that everywhere works like the US of today (like a few in Gun Haven II), with the casual disregard that GeMiTo was treated as something like a horde of bums in the desert somewhere (not even SoE makes it out to be that), with the Africa writeup in the Almanac that might just as well have been labeled 'here be black people'. I'm not saying this is a conspiracy, or even a conscious effort. However, there's thisattitude, and it shows more and more, and FEELS more and more distasteful. And I am certain I am not alone in the observation that SR seems to drift towards a highly America-centric and American-dominated world view. Kind of like Tom Clancy was made Line Dev.

Then again, at least Clancyrun books would be properly proofed and edited.

Edit: All in all, this book has some bad and some good in it. I rated the chapters individually, but as a tl;dr: I rate it 5,8/10
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 22 2013, 11:21 PM) *
I finally finished the book and compiling my notes into something vaguely coherent. This is my review. Brace yourselves, it has a lot of text. And not all of it is nice.


Considering all the hostility you display during even the first chapter or you other posts on this board I don't even bother to read the rest of the review. It is clear that you do not (want to) like the book and that one can't expect a fair review.
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:49 PM
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Interesting opinion. You should have read on.
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:51 PM
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^For once, I agree with that assessment.

While there's a little bit too much snark for my liking, hermit doesn't bash ALL of Storm Front.
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 22 2013, 11:49 PM) *
Interesting opinion. You should have read on.


I don't think so. Even in a negative review the reasons why it is bad should be pointed out in a fair manner.
Here though the hate is dripping from every sentence and I do get the impression that the verdict of the review was a forgone conclusion.
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:55 PM
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I thought you didn't read on?
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 22 2013, 11:55 PM) *
I thought you didn't read on?


I haven't.
The 1st chapter and the unspoilered part (at least a few sentences form each passage). That all I can stomach.
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post Mar 22 2013, 10:59 PM
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You ... really don't realize that you're doing what you're bemoaning, do you?
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 22 2013, 11:59 PM) *
You ... really don't realize that you're doing what you're bemoaning, do you?


Difference is I am not writing a review of the review.
As personal opinion hermits post is fine. But imo a review has to adhere to a higher standard.
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:05 PM
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I am writing a review, not a commercial. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But, out of interest, what standards would those be?
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:07 PM
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Okay. So, no fairness in all things, just fairness in things you like. Got it. Have a nice day, then.

To comment: I'm not that far into the book yet, but my initial feelings towards the Triump of Aztlan and the Fall of a Dragon chapters is one of "Good ideas, weird execution." I'll agree that the start of chapter 3 seems more promising than the first parts I've read so far, and I'll keep an eye out in light of the comments made.
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:15 PM
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I read it all. I won't go point by point. That'd take forever.

I will say, Hermit you seem to have missed a very great deal, in your hatred, of parts of the book. You claimed things in your review that either didn't happen, or claimed they happened for no reason, when they were in fact explained.

While your review isn't universally bad, it's very much tainted by how much vitriol you put into it. As pointed out you hated the book before it was out and it does shine through. Yes you state "It's not all bad" more than once, but to be honest it seems more like armor from being accused of just writing a horribly biased review. Multiple times in the write up you characterize people/dragons/events in summary, grossly inaccurately from how they're actually presented, and more over -explained-.

Perhaps it'd benefit from another read through. You seem to have missed a great deal in your first time through. I'm not saying the book is perfect. I do see some flaws. And there are even parts of your review that I agree with, (( though not quite so hot in the pants to jump up and down and urinate all over it)). The thing is, the points that you do have, that I might agree with in parts, are lost under the flaming feces slinging rant.

Again. I don't disagree with ----everything---- you've written. I actually agree with a couple of parts. But your presentation and general hatred for the book pours out with such vehemence and frequency that your message, when it actually pertains, is lost.

Again. I'd suggest you re-read it. Your summary's show that you've either glossed over, skipped or "Didn't get" Alot of what the book presented. I can tell by your posts you are not one of low intelligence. So I can only guess you skimmed, or skipped parts. Try it again, maybe slower and a touch more relaxed. Switch to Decalf. See if it feels a little better. Your dislikes might still be there but it might make more sense and you know. Less flaming torches and pitch forks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 22 2013, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Mar 23 2013, 12:05 AM) *
But, out of interest, what standards would those be?


Being impartial and try to stay as objective as possible for example.
Your personal opinion will of course always show through, but that should be kept to a minimum.
In this review your dislike of the product and CGL is clearly visible and everyone who reads the review to inform himself would always wonder if the book really is that bad or if its just you using hyperboles because of a personal vendetta.
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