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Hello everyone,

My first post on this forum. I'm usually on the shadowrun4 forum but I figured I'd give it a shot overhere. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Anyway,we have been playing SR for a while now and my group found the melee rules to be a bit underwelming when compared to the ranged rules.
No their question is "Why cant we just make the melee attacks simple actions to instead of complex just like the firearms?"

No I fully understand melee movement to be more complex then firing a gun, and so its a complex action.
And perhaps melee is less "powerful" in purpose in this way for realism purposes.

But what I really want to know is, does turning melee into simple actions break the game? Does it unbalance things?
I'm not entirely sure if it does or not. I can see some problems with some martialarts specializations though.

Is it simply dont bring a knife(sword) to a gun fight? or is there more to it?
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- Automaton   Melee attacks as simple actions   Mar 19 2013, 11:54 AM
- - Stahlseele   Seeing how you can get your damage up way high in ...   Mar 19 2013, 12:22 PM
- - Automaton   But doesnt that count for ranged attacks too?   Mar 19 2013, 12:36 PM
- - Stahlseele   To an extent, yes. But it's harder to get impa...   Mar 19 2013, 12:38 PM
- - Automaton   Could you give me some examples of how melee damag...   Mar 19 2013, 12:43 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 19 2013, 07:43 AM)...   Mar 19 2013, 12:51 PM
- - bannockburn   Average Joe: Strength 3 (Muscle Replacement or Aug...   Mar 19 2013, 12:58 PM
|- - Automaton   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 19 2013, 01:58 P...   Mar 19 2013, 01:03 PM
|- - thorya   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 19 2013, 09:03 AM)...   Mar 19 2013, 01:26 PM
|- - Automaton   QUOTE (thorya @ Mar 19 2013, 02:26 PM) We...   Mar 19 2013, 01:42 PM
- - Automaton   Okay, so basically you're saying as it is mele...   Mar 19 2013, 01:00 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 19 2013, 08:00 AM)...   Mar 19 2013, 01:05 PM
- - bannockburn   The reason for massive damage taken in ranged comb...   Mar 19 2013, 01:07 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 19 2013, 01:07 P...   Mar 19 2013, 01:32 PM
|- - bannockburn   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 19 2013, 02:32 PM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 01:42 PM
- - Stahlseele   *nods* melee, especially with weapons, was way mor...   Mar 19 2013, 01:43 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 19 2013, 01:42 PM)...   Mar 19 2013, 01:55 PM
|- - bannockburn   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 19 2013, 02:55 PM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 02:16 PM
- - Automaton   So if you'd change the melee system to improve...   Mar 19 2013, 01:54 PM
- - Stahlseele   Technically, to optimze it, you need to play an El...   Mar 19 2013, 02:15 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2013, 02:15 PM...   Mar 19 2013, 02:17 PM
||- - thorya   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 19 2013, 10:17 AM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 03:09 PM
||- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (thorya @ Mar 19 2013, 03:09 PM) Th...   Mar 19 2013, 03:41 PM
||- - Kiirnodel   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 19 2013, 11:41 AM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 04:19 PM
||- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Kiirnodel @ Mar 19 2013, 04:19 PM)...   Mar 19 2013, 04:34 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2013, 03:15 PM...   Mar 19 2013, 02:56 PM
- - bannockburn   Ah okay, I was a bit puzzled Thanks for clarifyin...   Mar 19 2013, 02:29 PM
- - bannockburn   It's only unarmed melee, unfortunately, just a...   Mar 19 2013, 04:37 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 19 2013, 05:37 P...   Mar 19 2013, 05:17 PM
|- - bannockburn   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2013, 06:17 P...   Mar 19 2013, 05:20 PM
- - thorya   So there are two ways to knock someone down, both ...   Mar 19 2013, 04:43 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (thorya @ Mar 19 2013, 04:43 PM) So...   Mar 19 2013, 04:56 PM
- - bannockburn   Hu? You weren't aware of automatic knockdown? ...   Mar 19 2013, 04:59 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 19 2013, 04:59 P...   Mar 19 2013, 05:14 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (bannockburn @ Mar 19 2013, 11:59 A...   Mar 19 2013, 05:55 PM
|- - Kiirnodel   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Mar 19 2013, 01:55 PM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 06:09 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Kiirnodel @ Mar 19 2013, 01:09 PM)...   Mar 19 2013, 06:17 PM
- - bannockburn   It's not so fun on the flipside, either Getti...   Mar 19 2013, 05:15 PM
- - Kiirnodel   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 19 2013, 12:34 PM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 05:22 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Kiirnodel @ Mar 19 2013, 05:22 PM)...   Mar 19 2013, 05:29 PM
- - NiL_FisK_Urd   A simple houserule would be to allow to defend aga...   Mar 19 2013, 05:40 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (NiL_FisK_Urd @ Mar 19 2013, 06:40 ...   Mar 19 2013, 07:20 PM
|- - NiL_FisK_Urd   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2013, 08:20 P...   Mar 19 2013, 07:37 PM
- - bannockburn   What you mean is the Blast type effect (Street Mag...   Mar 19 2013, 06:00 PM
- - Falconer   While I agree making melee a 'simple' acti...   Mar 19 2013, 06:17 PM
|- - bannockburn   QUOTE (Falconer @ Mar 19 2013, 07:17 PM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 06:21 PM
- - Stahlseele   on the other hand it opens up the way to first sho...   Mar 19 2013, 06:29 PM
- - bannockburn   A stylish game breaker, at least!   Mar 19 2013, 06:30 PM
- - Stahlseele   point.   Mar 19 2013, 06:36 PM
- - Falconer   Stahl... As opposed to just shooting the guy twic...   Mar 19 2013, 06:54 PM
- - Umidori   The one thing that really bugs me about this argum...   Mar 19 2013, 07:23 PM
- - Dakka Dakka   Sounds good, if you intend to redesign all weapons...   Mar 19 2013, 07:33 PM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2013, 08:33 P...   Mar 19 2013, 08:08 PM
||- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2013, 08:08 PM...   Mar 19 2013, 08:10 PM
|- - thorya   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2013, 02:33 P...   Mar 19 2013, 10:14 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (thorya @ Mar 19 2013, 11:14 PM) Yo...   Mar 19 2013, 10:21 PM
|- - thorya   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2013, 05:21 P...   Mar 19 2013, 10:36 PM
- - Umidori   That stuff can still be left abstracted, for the m...   Mar 19 2013, 08:28 PM
- - Falconer   Incorrect Dakka... melee attacks have reach of 0.....   Mar 19 2013, 08:41 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Falconer @ Mar 19 2013, 09:41 PM) ...   Mar 19 2013, 09:33 PM
- - Umidori   I'm with Falconer on this. You can use Unarme...   Mar 19 2013, 09:35 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 19 2013, 10:35 PM) Y...   Mar 19 2013, 09:42 PM
- - Umidori   Actually, Dakka, the rules do not say otherwise - ...   Mar 19 2013, 09:47 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 19 2013, 10:47 PM) A...   Mar 19 2013, 09:58 PM
|- - Umidori   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 19 2013, 03:58 P...   Mar 19 2013, 11:00 PM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 20 2013, 12:00 AM) Y...   Mar 19 2013, 11:44 PM
|- - Umidori   I'd hoped to avoid the nitty-gritty, but oh we...   Mar 20 2013, 12:21 AM
|- - Dakka Dakka   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 20 2013, 01:21 AM) D...   Mar 20 2013, 12:24 PM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Mar 20 2013, 07:24 A...   Mar 20 2013, 02:49 PM
- - Stahlseele   if you want melee weapons to be really dangerous, ...   Mar 19 2013, 10:55 PM
|- - ChromeZephyr   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2013, 04:55 PM...   Mar 19 2013, 11:22 PM
- - Umidori   Yeah, a troll with a giant two-handed axe looming ...   Mar 19 2013, 11:29 PM
- - ChromeZephyr   edit: Never mind, missed the edit to your post. I...   Mar 19 2013, 11:32 PM
- - Umidori   My bad! I realized my error only after I poste...   Mar 19 2013, 11:35 PM
- - Stahlseele   STR+X instead of STR/2+X leads to some pretty sill...   Mar 19 2013, 11:43 PM
|- - ChromeZephyr   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2013, 05:43 PM...   Mar 19 2013, 11:51 PM
- - ChromeZephyr   Jesus, you two. I get that the entire purpose of ...   Mar 20 2013, 12:26 AM
- - Umidori   I just don't understand his mentality. He stat...   Mar 20 2013, 12:30 AM
|- - ChromeZephyr   QUOTE (Umidori @ Mar 19 2013, 06:30 PM) I...   Mar 20 2013, 12:45 AM
- - Stahlseele   isn't there even something in nowadays laws th...   Mar 20 2013, 12:32 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 19 2013, 05:32 PM...   Mar 20 2013, 02:04 AM
- - Umidori   Possibly, but again, legislation is one thing, com...   Mar 20 2013, 12:33 AM
- - Stahlseele   yes, yes, i know <.<;, but seriously? doesn...   Mar 20 2013, 01:02 AM
- - Automaton   Whomever stole my topic hand it back this instant...   Mar 20 2013, 10:31 AM
- - Automaton   Hey thanks Dakka Dakka Maybe if no has done any ...   Mar 20 2013, 12:51 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 20 2013, 12:51 PM)...   Mar 20 2013, 01:02 PM
|- - Automaton   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 20 2013, 02:02 PM) ...   Mar 20 2013, 03:43 PM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 20 2013, 03:43 PM)...   Mar 20 2013, 04:04 PM
|- - Automaton   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 20 2013, 05:04 PM) ...   Mar 21 2013, 09:19 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 20 2013, 10:04 AM) ...   Mar 21 2013, 09:40 AM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 21 2013, 09:40 AM) Or: ...   Mar 21 2013, 09:46 AM
- - Rubic   sorry. Back on topic. If I was going to make a c...   Mar 20 2013, 04:03 PM
|- - Automaton   QUOTE (Rubic @ Mar 20 2013, 05:03 PM) sor...   Mar 21 2013, 09:17 AM
|- - Rubic   QUOTE (Automaton @ Mar 21 2013, 04:17 AM)...   Mar 22 2013, 06:43 AM
- - RHat   You can only split a melee dice pool to attack mul...   Mar 21 2013, 10:21 AM
|- - Mach_Ten   QUOTE (RHat @ Mar 21 2013, 10:21 AM) You ...   Mar 21 2013, 10:27 AM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Mach_Ten @ Mar 21 2013, 04:27 AM) ...   Mar 21 2013, 10:39 AM
- - Falconer   Rhat: You can't use item attunement on a weapo...   Mar 21 2013, 05:25 PM
|- - RHat   QUOTE (Falconer @ Mar 21 2013, 11:25 AM) ...   Mar 21 2013, 07:44 PM
- - RHat   I just have two questions: 1: Why is Personalized...   Mar 22 2013, 07:38 AM
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