Euro Wars Antiques, For that Retro-Cold War feeling! Options

[lokii]

That said, there's even a bit of fluff where "Polish troops enter Belarus to protect refugees and bring order to destabilized country, occupying Hrodna (Grodno) and Brest (Brześć)" (can't really find the original source now).

Shadows of Europe p. 110 Poland Timeline

That is 2012 though. Also, according to the Polish timeline Russia annexes Belarus in 2005 and starts the Border Wars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) What I said before is from the section on European history in the first chapter of Shadows of Europe. Some of the information was not properly consolidated between different parts of the book.

Come to think of it shouldn't the old EuroSourcebook Project be found somewhere here on Dumpshock?

[Stahlseele]

No. The sighting of the first dragon signifies the beginning of the Sixth World. That's 2011. Remember?

No. I am pretty bad with dates. Remember?

[lokii]

No. I am pretty bad with dates. Remember?

Okay. Names, dates. Anything else?

[Stahlseele]

Okay. Names, dates. Anything else?

Maybe Faces and Numbers.

[Nal0n]

Maybe Faces and Numbers.

Numbers? Now I'm really disappointed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[hermit]

Do you remember where this is written?

Elva airbase in Estonia is mentioned in Shadows of Europe or Corporate download. AFB right now, will check later or tomorrow.

[Nath]

Fuchi had this base full of Stealth Bombers in Latvia. I always took this as Fuchi being behind the strike, possibly by C5 mandate to prevent an all-out nuclear exchange between Russia and the Europowers.

As the person who came up with the Elva airbase in the first place, I can say it never was the intent. But that does not make it a silly idea. I always thought one of the book stated the aircraft were flying above the North Sea, but it seems only "Northern Europe" is mentionned. On the other hand, if the Swedish really thought they were BAE FA-38 and the German government blame the British, it's unlikely they were flying westward.

Personnally, I always wondered about the reason why David Gavilan, an US Air Force Major, who worked for the NSA and Echo Mirage, was doing in Stockholm less than 24 hours after Swedish radars detected the stealth bombers. "Sweden was a data haven" seems a bit short for such a coincidence.

[lokii]

Painted dragons is always a possibility...

Elva airbase in Estonia is mentioned in Shadows of Europe or Corporate download. AFB right now, will check later or tomorrow.

SoE, p. 24 comment by €spion

Personnally, I always wondered about the reason why David Gavilan, an US Air Force Major, who worked for the NSA and Echo Mirage, was doing in Stockholm less than 24 hours after Swedish radars detected the stealth bombers. "Sweden was a data haven" seems a bit short for such a coincidence.

Never noticed that, the Nanosecond Buyout was one day after the Nightwraith incident.

[lokii]

Maybe Faces and Numbers.

I try to keep those in mind... since you won't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Numbers? Now I'm really disappointed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

how come?

I try to keep those in mind... since you won't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I . . probably . .

[Nal0n]

how come?

So far you seemed to be the geeky/maths/science guy to me (just like myself tbh) ... but ... well ... those need to be good with numbers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Stahlseele]

So far you seemed to be the geeky/maths/science guy to me (just like myself tbh) ... but ... well ... those need to be good with numbers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

i like to tinker with stuff, but maths and numbers and me, we were never friends.
i was better in biology and languages. i have sam vimes feet basically.

i remember places and ways better than anything else.

[Nal0n]

i like to tinker with stuff, but maths and numbers and me, we were never friends.
i was better in biology and languages. i have sam vimes feet basically.

i remember places and ways better than anything else.

Well I guess we can work together then at least, I deal with the science stuff and you tell me where the hell we are and where we need to go (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And you know Discworld, which is definately a bonus (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

BTT: Has anyone ever played a campaign in the EuroWars Setting? Is it even possible to have a small Runner/SpecOps/whatever Team do something meaningful there?

[hermit]

BTT: Has anyone ever played a campaign in the EuroWars Setting? Is it even possible to have a small Runner/SpecOps/whatever Team do something meaningful there?

There were no shadowrunners as such back then, but a campaign around a PMC, mercenary company or government/corporate black ops squad should be possible. Or you go full Only War and play a unit of line soldiers (I'd recommend adapting the buddy rules from Only War then).

[Fatum]

BTT: Has anyone ever played a campaign in the EuroWars Setting? Is it even possible to have a small Runner/SpecOps/whatever Team do something meaningful there?

I guess it wouldn't be much different from any military campaign, and minding that RL USSR had GRU long-distance recon cells prepared to demolish NATO HQs, infrastructure and politicians with extreme prejudice, including the use of tactical nuclear charges, I'd say a small unit of highly qualified operatives can very much affect the war's tide.

[lokii]

BTT: Has anyone ever played a campaign in the EuroWars Setting? Is it even possible to have a small Runner/SpecOps/whatever Team do something meaningful there?

Expanding on this. How useful is Euro War Antiques in terms of playing a EuroWars campaign?

[hermit]

Expanding on this. How useful is Euro War Antiques in terms of playing a EuroWars campaign?

I'd say fairly, if you don't mind some of the stuff they introduced into the timeline. It gives a fairly clear timetable of events, "landmark" battles and even some names of commanding officers, units attached to a certain front, and the like. It also has a lot of equipment to use. Together with War and it's rules for military campaigns, I think this would be usable (some houserules against the worst absurdities of this system are probably necessary).

[lokii]

Hey, we said something nice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[ChromeZephyr]

*looks outside to make sure the sun isn't turning black and the zombie hordes aren't approaching*

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[hermit]

Hey, I gave it 6 points. That's not that bad. Personally, I would add in at least the battle of Carinthia and the shenanigans from Chash Flow (F5 or what was it called?), possibly also the attempted coup in Austria by that guy who later became chancellor, but I've always liked the Austrian setting's crazyness, YMMV.

[Fatum]

Okay, I had a chance to flip through the fluff part of it.

Euro Wars have never been a fav of mine in the setting, but the book is actually making them worse. The war strategy was apparently described by a timetraveler from WWI era, where a dug in infantry regiment is capable of stopping a tank army for a few months, forcing a river with complete air superiority takes a few months more, and a couple meters of concrete protect against whatever weaponry used against them. Reading it is like reading a Tom Clancy fanfiction with evil Russia Neo-Soviets sending dissidents to gulags (in 2030) and murdering POWs and civilians left and right, except worse. (Although I guess the gulag part is par for the course for racist CAS and magical Ireland and the rest of it). Clancy has actually heard about warfare developments since 1918. Even without nitpicking (like, why are all the Russian commanders have the surname Ivanov? Three Ivanovs in a single chapter - isn't that a bit much?), the fluff part is utterly disappointing. Utter absence of maps and, say, descriptions of the naval action in the Baltic and Northern Seas complete the picture of a sloppily done supplement.

[Fatum]

On a side note: I've been rereading SoE, SoA and Germany Sourcebook for info on the EuroWars, and I can't seem to find where the terms "Neo-Soviets" or even just "Soviets" used in EWA comes from. Same with Politburo as a governing body. Elder books seem to address the country as Russia, and the governing body as National Soviet.

[hermit]

On a side note: I've been rereading SoE, SoA and Germany Sourcebook for info on the EuroWars, and I can't seem to find where the terms "Neo-Soviets" or even just "Soviets" used in EWA comes from. Same with Politburo as a governing body. Elder books seem to address the country as Russia, and the governing body as National Soviet.

It's from the Vladivostok Part of Target:Smuggler Havens, iirc.

[Fatum]

Had to recheck. Nope. "We", "Russia", "Russian".

[lokii]

"Neo-Soviet" could come from the National Soviet Reconstructionists. I think I have seen NSR misread as Neo-Soviet R. before. Also the label neo-soviet is not misapplied to Shadowrun's version of Russia.

I know of course that NSR only comes into power after the Euro Wars. But if you look at the SoA timeline there seems to be a political shift in Russia before the 2030. 2016 we have the assassination of _President_ Chelenko. 2026 Kropunin becomes _General Secretary_. This might not be intentional, maybe the two dates simply were taken from different sources. But it is the interpretation of the Almanac: "By 2026, the presidency had been abolished and Boris Kropunin became General Secretary." (swa.150) So one could infer that some earlier incarnation of the NSR or "neo-soviets" took hold in Russia after Chelenko's death and already started to transform the country and continued the process after the short interim of the Democratic Recovery Alliance.