SR5 Preview #4, Parts of the combat chapter Options

[thorya]

I know people have been asked to stop the runner conversation, but here's my two cents.

I think the smaller metatypes make better runners. Trolls are easily spotted and when someone sees the silhouette of a troll they know what they saw, so the guard can more easily identify them. And you can't blend into a crowd as a Troll, which I find helpful when running. And the extra bodies nice, but you can get that in a dwarf or an orc pretty easily. And the roleplay appeal of playing an ugly creature that is not officially rejected, but still not fully accepted in society can also be gotten through an orc.
And everyone knows that agility is way more important for running than strength, especially if you're going to be a shadowrunner. Agility is linked with shooting and infiltration/stealth skills, which tend to be the most important to running. Strength, sort of meh. It's pretty obvious which one helps in running more if you just compare how often people take muscle toner rather than muscle replacement or muscle augmentation. I don't even see what the debate is. From my experience running, I can tell you that I've always found agility to be more useful than strength, unless I was going to a specialized melee build.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I know people have been asked to stop the runner conversation, but here's my two cents.

I think the smaller metatypes make better runners. Trolls are easily spotted and when someone sees the silhouette of a troll they know what they saw, so the guard can more easily identify them. And you can't blend into a crowd as a Troll, which I find helpful when running. And the extra bodies nice, but you can get that in a dwarf or an orc pretty easily. And the roleplay appeal of playing an ugly creature that is not officially rejected, but still not fully accepted in society can also be gotten through an orc.
And everyone knows that agility is way more important for running than strength, especially if you're going to be a shadowrunner. Agility is linked with shooting and infiltration/stealth skills, which tend to be the most important to running. Strength, sort of meh. It's pretty obvious which one helps in running more if you just compare how often people take muscle toner rather than muscle replacement or muscle augmentation. I don't even see what the debate is. From my experience running, I can tell you that I've always found agility to be more useful than strength, unless I was going to a specialized melee build.

Except that they are not talking about "Running" the Shadows, but actual Running, "the movements."
The relevant value of Agility in character builds is obvious, and pretty much set in stone. The discussion was whether the act of running (Sprinting, jogging, marathon, etc) was a strength based or agility based endeavor IRL. In game, it is also a no-brainer, since it is linked to Strength (at least in SR4A).

And yes, Trolls stand out. Some trolls stand out more than others. I agree that Orcs tend to blend MUCH better in the Shadows, and still get many of the same benefits that Trolls do (impressive Body/Strength scores). I also think that if you are going for a specialized Melee Build, Trolls generally have it, but an Orc (or Metavariant) can get almost as much damage as the Troll does. They are fun builds, to be sure.

[Grinder]

I know people have been asked to stop the runner conversation, but here's my two cents.

I think the smaller metatypes make better runners. Trolls are easily spotted and when someone sees the silhouette of a troll they know what they saw, so the guard can more easily identify them. And you can't blend into a crowd as a Troll, which I find helpful when running. And the extra bodies nice, but you can get that in a dwarf or an orc pretty easily. And the roleplay appeal of playing an ugly creature that is not officially rejected, but still not fully accepted in society can also be gotten through an orc.
And everyone knows that agility is way more important for running than strength, especially if you're going to be a shadowrunner. Agility is linked with shooting and infiltration/stealth skills, which tend to be the most important to running. Strength, sort of meh. It's pretty obvious which one helps in running more if you just compare how often people take muscle toner rather than muscle replacement or muscle augmentation. I don't even see what the debate is. From my experience running, I can tell you that I've always found agility to be more useful than strength, unless I was going to a specialized melee build.

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