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Tzeentch
post Jul 2 2013, 08:47 PM
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DATA SITE: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8m3vhgcrk9rmebs/q5RxqpYtFC

NORTH AMERICA MAP AS OF 2075 (includes Storm Front Events)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g5p89xr5uyixfr/NorthAmerica.pdf

CURRENT ISSUES

South Florida Borders
-- These are not consistent between written description and maps (which just show a line across the state).
See http://www.michael.burrage.net/pages/games...ps/sr-maps.html and the SWA/SONA derived borders at https://www.dropbox.com/s/32384i3uj6see1p/FloridaBorders.pdf

Boise
-- Boise is in the wrong location on the SONA map, as shown here https://www.dropbox.com/s/4bj5amiv6lu9nu4/Boise_Wrong.PNG
-- Boise is in roughly the right spot on the Tir Tairngire map, but the other parts of the eastern border with the Ute (now PCC), SSC, and TT are not consistent with other published maps.

Bogota
-- There are borders changes described, but not shown in Storm Front. The Pre-Storm Front borders based on SWA are shown here https://www.dropbox.com/s/reeor266e6x499b/B...lAdminAreas.pdf


PCC Land Purchase
-- Based on information provided by Wak Shaani you can see the border changes and land swap details at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kr36a0211g4szzo/Zef2p4w1fB

San Diego
-- Based on the Corporate Enclaves map, San Diego is now a series of islands. See https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjukvh7dwwv3dc3/s...ego_flooded.pdf

California
-- The regional CFS map and the Los Angeles map do match match up. You can see what got sunk in LA here https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4k2c6et60ut6zo/LA_Flooded.pdf
-- For what happened to Camp Pendleton and Oceanslime see https://www.dropbox.com/s/nsf1wqf0qzwjh1n/p...ton_flooded.pdf
-- Note that flooded areas shown in the Corporate Enclave map cross mountain ranges and even have shoreline where there isn't any.

Europe
-- You can see the georectified German Anniversary edition map here https://www.dropbox.com/s/gp9vlrr4ka06u00/EuropeMap.pdf
-- Note that the Denmark shore does not match what is shown in other sources (including other German books).
-- The Westphalia area has been updated to match the Reiseführer (Travel Guide) sourcebook and you can see that here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4tp5xmt5odabdsi/K6nynvBMWl

Gold and Ivory Coast
-- Uploaded my attempted fixes to https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5lwgnx0leohn71j/q4W8E4R7uN
-- The maps should be consistent with Feral Cities, p. 69 with a few fixes ("Asante" and not "Assante," for example).
-- I don't think I can georectify the Lagos map (Feral Cities, p. 93). It's too divergent from the current area to find tie points. I've attached a map showing one of my attempts as LagosNowWhat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 2 2013, 10:58 PM
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Maybe, you can use this world map. I already did the registration of the Sixth World Almanac map two years back or so.

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/images/6/6d/...Differences.png

You want brown lines plus red lines for the Almanac borders.
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post Jul 3 2013, 12:23 AM
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As much as I hate to say it... I hear the Bing API for maps is pretty fair to good and they are way better on the traffic maps for Seattle than Google... I guess it helps when its your backyard.

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post Jul 3 2013, 12:25 AM
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Who controls St. Louis? It looks like the border goes right into the center of the city.

The CAS/UCAS border looks like it follows the Missouri River in the East, and the west side follows I-44 down to St. James. It looks like it should split south of Rolla and across Mark Twain National Forest following no real features, and then roughly following I-44 again north of Fort Leonard Wood. Springfield appears to be on the CAS side of the I-44 border and then the border just sort of shoots out without following anything.
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post Jul 3 2013, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 2 2013, 08:25 PM) *
Who controls St. Louis? It looks like the border goes right into the center of the city.

The CAS/UCAS border looks like it follows the Missouri River in the East, and the west side follows I-44 down to St. James. It looks like it should split south of Rolla and across Mark Twain National Forest following no real features, and then roughly following I-44 again north of Fort Leonard Wood. Springfield appears to be on the CAS side of the I-44 border and then the border just sort of shoots out without following anything.

It does, its split between the UCAS and CAS, which leads to all sorts of interesting infighting among the groups wanting to reunite the town and is still a major stop point for smugglers going to and from New Orleans.
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post Jul 3 2013, 03:02 AM
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The North American countries have been created, including Aztlan and the Yucatan. Bare bones right now, but let me know what you think. I cleaned up the CAS/UCAS borders and think I cleared up some issues on the Sioux/UCAS borders where it was obvious the map was following a river or road.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8m3vhgcrk9rmebs/q5RxqpYtFC
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post Jul 3 2013, 06:58 AM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 3 2013, 04:02 AM) *
The actual shapefile (extension .shp) is missing?
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post Jul 3 2013, 07:17 AM
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huh. I dropped the entire folder in there. Will fix it tomorrow. Really happy with how it came out and how easy it was to create. The borders should be topologically correct, but it's not in a geodatabase so I can't actually enforce that. Even I'm not that interested in doing any serious spatial analysis of the Shadowrun numbers pulled out of a hat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jul 3 2013, 07:07 PM
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Shapefile fixed. Will work on the South American countries today.
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post Jul 3 2013, 09:04 PM
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I've updated the shapefile to contain all the nations of the Americas, including the Caribbean League and all South American countries.

As I thought it might be useful, I created a quick map of the Bogota area that shows the nearby inhabited areas (including their urban sprawl and current estimated 2050 populations) and the current administrative sub-units (provinces, counties, etc.). You can find the map as a PDF in the same dropbox folder.

I need to clean up some islands ownership and then I'll start on Africa.

If anyone wants a map of anything for areas already finished let me know exactly what you want. I'm not a cartographer per se and don't have limitless free time to create custom maps, but I know my way around ArcGIS pretty damn well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you want a map created and need the MXD let me know, I don't mind sharing.

When I get some time I'll also start adding data from the 6WA and previous books for things like languages, pop figures, and so on. Might be interesting to help visualize this stuff.

Update: Fixed some topology errors of uncertain origin with the borders of the Sioux and the CAS/Aztlan (you had to zoom in really far to see them, generally). I also uploaded a PDF map of the Denver region.
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post Jul 4 2013, 03:26 AM
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Finished digitizing all of Africa, Israel, Syria, Palestine, and the Arabian Caliphate.

I did a bit of surgery around Asamado because it was a bit of a cluster in that area and the borders cut up major cities and stuff (which I doubt was the intent). On the AfricaChanges map you can see that Asamando expanded a bit, as did Sekondi, at the expense of the Gold and Ivory Coast Tribal Lands. The orange areas are existing major urban areas.
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post Jul 5 2013, 09:21 PM
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All of Europe has been digitized and files updated. I'll be uploading a few maps soon. Note that there are some border issues around Luxembourgh because the SOE and SWA maps are really hard to square with existing borders and city locations (and with each other). Will work on fixing that later.
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post Jul 5 2013, 11:35 PM
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I will have a look at the shapefile at some point. For now maybe a few comments.

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 3 2013, 04:02 AM) *
I cleared up some issues on the Sioux/UCAS borders where it was obvious the map was following a river or road.
Don't know what you mean but I noticed that the Sioux/UCAS border seems to be almost identical with the border between time zones -6 and -7. I didn't end up using that information though, as I didn't have coordinates for the time zones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Standard...f_the_world.png

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 3 2013, 10:04 PM) *
As I thought it might be useful, I created a quick map of the Bogota area that shows the nearby inhabited areas
This is a rough suggestion for a correction of the old (pre-2074) border between Aztlan and Amazonia. It's based on the verbal description of the border from the Aztlan sourcebook. Following it the Anniversary edition map (and thus the Almanac map) is incorrect. Specifically Santiago de Cali should be on Aztlaner territory. I still haven't corrected that issue on my maps. Of course now after the end of the war the border has moved a bit to the south.

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Aztlan...f-Korrektur.png

Just as a general comment before I continue, the Almanac world map has a lot of issues. Especially Asia has changed quite a lot from the geography laid out in Shadows of Asia. The first map I linked to, shows were territories have been readjusted. This was done without any explanation in the canon and in an unlikely way. For example the Chinese states now conform more to the old PRC administrative borders. More on the specifics for Africa and Europe below.

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 4 2013, 04:26 AM) *
I did a bit of surgery around Asamado because it was a bit of a cluster in that area and the borders cut up major cities and stuff (which I doubt was the intent). On the AfricaChanges map you can see that Asamando expanded a bit, as did Sekondi, at the expense of the Gold and Ivory Coast Tribal Lands. The orange areas are existing major urban areas.
I don't know what problems you had, but the African borders are badly aligned with the satellite image underneath. Your solution changes the map quite a bit. Don't know, I eventually got pretty close in marrying the intention of the Sixth World Almanac with Cyberpirates! using additional geographic features:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Anpass...enbeinküste.png

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 5 2013, 10:21 PM) *
All of Europe has been digitized and files updated. I'll be uploading a few maps soon. Note that there are some border issues around Luxembourgh because the SOE and SWA maps are really hard to square with existing borders and city locations (and with each other). Will work on fixing that later.
Yeah, forget the Almanac on Germany. The German translation had this corrected map:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Adl_almanach_de.jpg

But perhaps even more helpful is the Germany map from the German translation of the Anniversary edition and a map based on the SOX map in the German and French SOX sourcebook (the map from the book is unfortunately no longer available from the Pegasus homepage):

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:ADL_2072.jpg
http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Karte_Sox.png

Once again, the map I first linked to shows other problems with Europe, such as Greece, which misses the lower half of Albania and the Swiss Canton Ticino which actually went to Italy.

I have to see, maybe I can convert some of my coordinate sets into a shapefile.
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post Jul 6 2013, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE (lokii @ Jul 5 2013, 11:35 PM) *
Don't know what you mean but I noticed that the Sioux/UCAS border seems to be almost identical with the border between time zones -6 and -7. I didn't end up using that information though, as I didn't have coordinates for the time zones.

-- I ended up using rivers and roads for the border. It seems to match the original artistic intent and the current administrative boundaries.
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Specifically Santiago de Cali should be on Aztlaner territory. I still haven't corrected that issue on my maps. Of course now after the end of the war the border has moved a bit to the south.

-- That's almost 100 km south of the Almanac border. In my mind I imagine the new Aztlan border follows the mountain range down to Ipiales but I since War! had no maps I don't know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
-- I'll keep the borders as close to what was in the Almanac as possible for right now. But yeah, I would file that entire border area as being in an area of canonical doubt.
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Just as a general comment before I continue, the Almanac world map has a lot of issues. Especially Asia has changed quite a lot from the geography laid out in Shadows of Asia. The first map I linked to, shows were territories have been readjusted. This was done without any explanation in the canon and in an unlikely way. For example the Chinese states now conform more to the old PRC administrative borders.

-- I finished Asia so you can see that they exactly match provincial boundaries in most cases. I don't have a big problem with that. Certainly simplified map creation that's for sure.
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I don't know what problems you had, but the African borders are badly aligned with the satellite image underneath. Your solution changes the map quite a bit. Don't know, I eventually got pretty close in marrying the intention of the Sixth World Almanac with Cyberpirates! using additional geographic features:

-- The biggest problem was Asamando which didn't correspond to any natural features on the ground, barely corresponded at all to any existing units in Ghana, and just didn't look like it made much sense. Your version looks good, I've had some trouble rectifying your maps though. What basemaps were you using?
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Yeah, forget the Almanac on Germany. The German translation had this corrected map:

-- That Anniversary map looks really nice but I'm having a hell of a problem trying to rubbersheet it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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But perhaps even more helpful is the Germany map from the German translation of the Anniversary edition and a map based on the SOX map in the German and French SOX sourcebook (the map from the book is unfortunately no longer available from the Pegasus homepage):

So the SAR borders follows no natural or manmade barriers and just sort of wanders around the countryside? Hmm. I'll have to consider how to handle this one.
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Once again, the map I first linked to shows other problems with Europe, such as Greece, which misses the lower half of Albania and the Swiss Canton Ticino which actually went to Italy.

-- I suppose in this case it's also a question of what was an art mistake and what was actually intended.
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post Jul 6 2013, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 6 2013, 02:00 AM) *
-- I finished Asia so you can see that they exactly match provincial boundaries in most cases. I don't have a big problem with that. Certainly simplified map creation that's for sure.
Well, I understand the sentiment, but even if they had the intention to simplify future map making, they could have gone one administrative level lower for most countries to get a closer match and still use current borders. In some cases the differences are really glaring, Henan has lost a third of its territory...

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 6 2013, 02:00 AM) *
-- The biggest problem was Asamando which didn't correspond to any natural features on the ground, barely corresponded at all to any existing units in Ghana, and just didn't look like it made much sense. Your version looks good, I've had some trouble rectifying your maps though. What basemaps were you using?
The map is a Mercator projection, only cut off in the south and maybe north I think. Maybe this helps?

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/images/a/a7/...00_and_2072.png

You are right Asamando basically is free hand drawn on the map. I have the coordinates (long/lat) right here in the commentary below the image. Can you import something like that?

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Fl%C3%...1_merc_n150.svg

Same for Baulé:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Fl%C3%...1_merc_n168.svg

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So the SAR borders follows no natural or manmade barriers and just sort of wanders around the countryside? Hmm. I'll have to consider how to handle this one.
If, you can import Asamando, I should be able to give you the SOX in the same format.

By the way, as you mentioned adding statistics, here is an overview of the world population:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Weltbev%C3%B6lkerung

There is also CSV file with the data at the bottom under "Datensatz" (data set).
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post Jul 6 2013, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (lokii @ Jul 6 2013, 07:49 AM) *
Well, I understand the sentiment, but even if they had the intention to simplify future map making, they could have gone one administrative level lower for most countries to get a closer match and still use current borders. In some cases the differences are really glaring, Henan has lost a third of its territory...

-- I went down to administrative subunit level if that helps. I checked the Shadows of Asia map and it looks pretty close to the SWA version.
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You are right Asamando basically is free hand drawn on the map. I have the coordinates (long/lat) right here in the commentary below the image. Can you import something like that?

-- Yeah I can use the coordinates directly. Note that the Cyberpirates and your map don't quite match the SWA map which has the Tribal Lands surrounding Asamando on all sides. Probably a bit of artistic lazyness there.
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If, you can import Asamando, I should be able to give you the SOX in the same format.

-- Sounds good. I think those borders need a closer look in the future, though.
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There is also CSV file with the data at the bottom under "Datensatz" (data set).

-- I'll join that to the dataset (well, after I check to make sure we were using the same names and such).

-- If you want this info in another data format that Arc supports, let me know. I can also check with Catalyst to see if they mind me releasing GeoTIFF versions of the Sixth World Atlas map.

EDIT: Once the major borders are all fixed I'm going to start adding the Shadowrun administrative units, when available.
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post Jul 6 2013, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 6 2013, 08:11 PM) *
-- I went down to administrative subunit level if that helps. I checked the Shadows of Asia map and it looks pretty close to the SWA version.
I look at my map and it doesn't. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But I guess it depends on your definition of "pretty close". I don't think they went deeper than level 1, you can get better results if you do. That's how I constructed the borders, adding or subtracting the administrative areas to get as close as possible and than use correction lines that I traced from rubber-sheeted Shadowrun maps. Never finished the documentation of all constructions, but here would be one example of the process:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Konstr..._Amzonien_1.png

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 6 2013, 08:11 PM) *
-- Yeah I can use the coordinates directly. Note that the Cyberpirates and your map don't quite match the SWA map which has the Tribal Lands surrounding Asamando on all sides. Probably a bit of artistic lazyness there.
No, if you look at the differences 2000/2072 map or the Almanac comparison map I incorporated that. The corrective coordinates should be "Korrekturlinie 6: Grenze Mali-Faso--Gold- und Elfenbeinküste Stammesländer" here:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Fl%C3%..._merc_n6951.svg

You are right about the Cyberpirates! map. But if you remove the portion of Burkina Faso with the above line Asamando remains at the same position I think.

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-- Sounds good. I think those borders need a closer look in the future, though.
Here you go:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:SOX_coordinates.txt

Also, I remembered that the French wiki has a copy of the map. If you look at the level of detail, I would say the SOX border is well-described.

http://shadowrun.fr/wiki/Image:SOX.jpg

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-- I'll join that to the dataset (well, after I check to make sure we were using the same names and such).
It's in German of course, but I think most of the names should be recognizable. Just ask if anything remains unclear.

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EDIT: Once the major borders are all fixed I'm going to start adding the Shadowrun administrative units, when available.
There I have some stuff too.

I already gave you the link to the Germany map which has the new Alliance states.

Pegasus added administrative borders to Azania for the German translation of the Almanac. That should have the seal of approval of Catalyst:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:GeoPos...arte_Azania.svg

That's how France should look with the known changes: Expanded Bretagne (04), Auvergne Zone (23), added Wallonie (24),
SOX portion of Lorraine as Nord Lorraine (22):

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:%C3%9C..._Frankreich.png

Inofficial Kenia, assuming current administrative units plus the new Mount Kilimanjaro district:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:%C3%9C...inzen_Kenia.png

UCAS states map (finally with all Canadian additions):

http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/File:Overv...UCAS_states.png

Also are you aware of the missing alterations to the coastline in Sixth World Almanac map? There is mainly California and the European coast. For the latter one, the UNL map: (the German altered coast line is on the Pegasus map I linked to above and I don't have a close up map of Denmark)

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:GeoPos...nskarte_VNL.svg
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post Jul 6 2013, 10:23 PM
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Oh, yeah. Fun German fact: Ivory is called "Elfenbein" in German which if you know nothing about the etymology would translate to "leg of an elf" unfortunately in reality it just means "bones of an elefant". Anyway you can imagine the pun potential.
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post Jul 6 2013, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE (lokii @ Jul 6 2013, 10:12 PM) *
Also are you aware of the missing alterations to the coastline in Sixth World Almanac map? There is mainly California and the European coast. For the latter one, the UNL map: (the German altered coast line is on the Pegasus map I linked to above and I don't have a close up map of Denmark.

-- The SWA map is drawn on what appears to be the NASA Blue Marble graphic. The coastal maps from the CFS sourcebook are too abstract to really get much from. In general I'm just assuming the coasts are basically the same unless it's clearly not.
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post Jul 7 2013, 06:07 AM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 6 2013, 11:50 PM) *
-- The SWA map is drawn on what appears to be the NASA Blue Marble graphic. The coastal maps from the CFS sourcebook are too abstract to really get much from. In general I'm just assuming the coasts are basically the same unless it's clearly not.
At the time of CFS the coast line has not yet changed. I'm referring to the 2069 earthquake, its results can be seen on a map in Corporate Enclaves. Once again I don't have a close up map of the broken coast as it is split between these to countries:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:GeoPositionskarte Kalifornien.svg
http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:GeoPos...arte_Pueblo.svg

EDIT: By the way, the southern border of Trans-Polar Aleut Nation follows the arctic circle on the North American continent, the same on northeast Asia but there the "base line" is altered.
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<chuckle> Wow, well . . . this whole exercise has really reinforced the idea that the Shadowrun canon has become an unmanageable clusterfuck. I looked at the map of LA in Enclaves and just set it down and laughed. It doesn't make any sense with what is said in other sourcebooks. Were the authors even familiar with the LA region? Did later authors realize LA was flooded? So many questions .... ugh.

Yeah, will update the coastline stuff tomorrow I think. Looks like some decent registration locations I can use.

TPA I'm saving for last mainly because it's the least problematic to change later (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I read through the Bogota stuff in Storm Front but it's not clear where the new border is really supposed to be. No maps at all, again.

Edit: BTW what are you using to generate your maps? Is it a format I can read in Arc or that you can export as a GeoTIFF or something?
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I looked at the map of LA in Enclaves and just set it down and laughed. It doesn't make any sense with what is said in other sourcebooks. Were the authors even familiar with the LA region? Did later authors realize LA was flooded? So many questions .... ugh.

Magic. In this case, a huge astral ... something called Deep Lacuna which just manifested because it felt like that. And no, I doubt they had. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

One issues I didn't find mentioned: there's the issue of the huge swath of land Aztlan feigned to give to the Confeds and gave to Pueblo instead. Nobody really knows what this looks like (since no maps), but I made a map once the author (Wakshaani) said is "pretty accurate".
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post Jul 7 2013, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 7 2013, 08:30 AM) *
<chuckle> Wow, well . . . this whole exercise has really reinforced the idea that the Shadowrun canon has become an unmanageable clusterfuck.
Though I would argue, it's exactly this kind of infrastructure work you are doing that makes it manageable again.

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Did later authors realize LA was flooded?
I sure hope so. Somebody want to depress me with counter examples?

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Yeah, will update the coastline stuff tomorrow I think. Looks like some decent registration locations I can use.
You would think that, but I remember it was one of the maps that gave me trouble. Once again profit from my pains: Any of the coordinate sets found in the description of the following three country areas that have the word "Küstenlinie" (coast line) in the title corresponds to a trace of the new Californian coast:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Fl%C3%..._merc_n3614.svg
http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Fl%C3%..._merc_n1233.svg
http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Datei:Fl%C3%..._merc_n5664.svg

They are not completely accurate but I think a good approximation. Back then my registration was somewhat okay, but despite the city markers I couldn't get Middle to Southern California and Baja California to match all at the same time and ended up doing local matching instead. Maybe you will fair better.

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Edit: BTW what are you using to generate your maps? Is it a format I can read in Arc or that you can export as a GeoTIFF or something?
My maps are based on the Global Administrative Areas (GADM) dataset (that's why most of my maps have a particular Creative Commons license):

http://gadm.org/country

Using that data I compiled them along with Sixth World coordinates using a Perl library called Proj4. Handwritten code... Somehow I didn't want to use the available GIS software.

http://search.cpan.org/~sderle/Geo-Proj4-0.11/Proj4.pm

My own coordinate sets of geographical structures of the Sixth world are in exactly the format you saw. I might be able to create a shapefile, with say all my traces. But I would have to look into how to do that first.

QUOTE (hermit @ Jul 7 2013, 11:12 AM) *
One issues I didn't find mentioned: there's the issue of the huge swath of land Aztlan feigned to give to the Confeds and gave to Pueblo instead. Nobody really knows what this looks like (since no maps), but I made a map once the author (Wakshaani) said is "pretty accurate".
Now, if you draw a map of the new Atzlan-Amazonian border that is said to be "pretty accurate", I could do some timeline map keeping. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Something I did not think of back when I did all the map registration stuff, is that at least some of the map makers hang around Dumpshock or similar places. If they could be made to confess the exact projection parameters of their maps, much more accurate traces should be possible. I have a list of maps in sourcebooks here with a lonely second column that begs to be filled:

http://shadowhelix.pegasus.de/Shadowhelix:Karten/Quellen
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post Jul 7 2013, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (lokii @ Jul 7 2013, 01:54 PM) *
Though I would argue, it's exactly this kind of infrastructure work you are doing that makes it manageable again.

Well, I can hope. At the very least I want to build something so that maps can be easily generated, so we don't have a War! and Storm Front situation again.

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I sure hope so. Somebody want to depress me with counter examples?

SWA doesn't mention anything about a good chunk of the city being underwater. It just says "The city is still recovering from its most recent disaster, the double earthquakes and subsequent formation of the astral construct known as the Deep Lacuna."

Combine that with the current coastline, and one would be excused not to know about it, and does any of the recent sourcebooks that mention the Lacuna also mention the city being sunk?
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Something I did not think of back when I did all the map registration stuff, is that at least some of the map makers hang around Dumpshock or similar places. If they could be made to confess the exact projection parameters of their maps, much more accurate traces should be possible. I have a list of maps in sourcebooks here with a lonely second column that begs to be filled:

Well. Let's put it this way. For Salish-Shidhe, Tir Tairngire, and the Trans-Polar Aleut maps in SR3 products I wasn't asked about maps and didn't need to do anything about it. Your best bet is actually to contact Adam Jury and see if he has some insight into how the maps were created.
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post Jul 7 2013, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 7 2013, 07:18 PM) *
SWA doesn't mention anything about a good chunk of the city being underwater. It just says "The city is still recovering from its most recent disaster, the double earthquakes and subsequent formation of the astral construct known as the Deep Lacuna."

Combine that with the current coastline, and one would be excused not to know about it, and does any of the recent sourcebooks that mention the Lacuna also mention the city being sunk?
I believe the Horizon Adventures and one of the Dawn of the Artifacts books had maps that indicated awareness of the changed coast line. But very true the Sixth World Almanac is a loose canon could lead to accidental retcon on casual handling, I hope people don't trust that book too much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

QUOTE (Tzeentch @ Jul 7 2013, 07:18 PM) *
Well. Let's put it this way. For Salish-Shidhe, Tir Tairngire, and the Trans-Polar Aleut maps in SR3 products I wasn't asked about maps and didn't need to do anything about it. Your best bet is actually to contact Adam Jury and see if he has some insight into how the maps were created.
Okay, thanks for the tip. Maybe I do that.
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