Where is Nanite Cream? Options

[xsansara]

I just hope they keep being consistant and don't bring back the old stuff via a source book without some major changes.

I really don't like having to update the play world on major, widely used issue, just because a new source got into my players hands.

[Werewindlefr]

It's just that at this scale of change, it's better to reboot the whole thing in my estimation. If they remove nanotech in this fashion, it's extremely awkward and clumsy.

[Fatum]

They are not SUPPOSED to contain nanomachines post production, it appears maybe there were.

If you remember, without a nanohive nanite colonies degrade, so even if there had been, there wouldn't have been any left rather soon.

There was literally only three or four nanite types that you would actually ever want:

Augmentation had bunches of nanogear in the category "playthings I'm buying when I'm rich".
Plus, Surtr Surtr Surtr. And blue goo, accordingly.

[RHat]

If you remember, without a nanohive nanite colonies degrade, so even if there had been, there wouldn't have been any left rather soon.

Which, as I recall, is due to the body's immune response.

[Fatum]

Nah, just due to natural degradation, discharge, and a body being a hostile environment. Well, open air is a more hostile environment still.

[Sengir]

I wanted some working rules for Nanotech SO BADLY!!! Augmentation was a start, but all the Nanites were incredibly expensive

You mean like the 150 ¥ spray-on TV? Or the counter-biometric nanoware which across the board is cheaper and easier available than its cyber equivalents? And the rules you are looking for are simple: It does whatver you can image, costs a pittance, and is easier available than NERPS. Sickness, pollution, starvation? No problem, everything can be solved by nanites everybody can buy.

It's not just that the idea of nanoscale spider bots floating through your bloodstream is exceedingly silly from a scientific POV. The stated capabilities of these things should by all rights cause the biggest upheaval since the neolithic revolution and create a brave new world without hunger, sickness, or starvation. So if nanotech indeed gets the Melding Plague treatment, it would be the best thing to happen to the setting in a loooong time.

[Fatum]

You mean like the 150 ¥ spray-on TV? Or the counter-biometric nanoware which across the board is cheaper and easier available than its cyber equivalents? And the rules you are looking for are simple: It does whatver you can image, costs a pittance, and is easier available than NERPS. Sickness, pollution, starvation? No problem, everything can be solved by nanites everybody can buy.

It's not just that the idea of nanoscale spider bots floating through your bloodstream is exceedingly silly from a scientific POV. The stated capabilities of these things should by all rights cause the biggest upheaval since the neolithic revolution and create a brave new world without hunger, sickness, or starvation. So if nanotech indeed gets the Melding Plague treatment, it would be the best thing to happen to the setting in a loooong time.

The corps control nanotech, revolution is over, everyone can go home. Just like the fact that information can now be reproduced for free in next to any amount of copies has only made copyright laws stricter.

[Sengir]

The corps control nanotech

No, they sell it. To everyone, for next to nothing.

[Fatum]

They sell the end product, the nanofaxes are controlled extremely tightly (see p.115 Augmentation).

[Sengir]

They sell the end product, the nanofaxes are controlled extremely tightly (see p.115 Augmentation).

I wasn't talking about nanofaxes, the unbeatable DRM is a cheap cop-out but at least acknowledges the problem. That cannot be said of pretty much everything else in the "nano" category.

[Fatum]

Everything else other than the means of production is not creating a revolution that's ending world hunger and scarcity society.
Actually, the nanoware applications in the book are rather minor. Some of them are pretty impressive, but still, it's all small-scale.

[Sengir]

Everything else other than the means of production is not creating a revolution that's ending world hunger and scarcity society.

Nanites can be reprogrammed, and constructors even for complex electronics (see Implant Medics, Nano Spy, and especially Speak Up) are apparently no big deal since they are sold freely for cheap. Whatever you want, there is some magic (well, actually magic still follows some rules...) nanoware for it.