 Integral upgrades and Accessories |
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 Jul 22 2013, 12:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300  |
Ok, so we have a weapon like the Ares Crusader II, which come with a gas vent system integrated. My question is can this weapon then be suppressed, or does it take up the barrel accessory slot?
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Jul 22 2013, 12:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 251 Joined: 7-September 10 Member No.: 19,020 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Jul 21 2013, 07:14 PM)  Ok, so we have a weapon like the Ares Crusader II, which come with a gas vent system integrated. My question is can this weapon then be suppressed, or does it take up the barrel accessory slot? From the Ares Crusader II's description: QUOTE It features an integral barrel-mounted gas-vent 2 recoil compensation system and comes with an integral smartgun system. Every other integral Gas-Vent system in a gun has the same wording of "barrel-mounted", thus it's not hard to believe another barrel-mounted accessory cannot be added. From the start of the Firearms Accessories section: QUOTE Most firearm accessories must be attached to a particular mount—top, barrel, underbarrel. Each mount can only hold one accessory at a time.
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Jul 22 2013, 12:33 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (RelentlessImp @ Jul 22 2013, 08:30 AM) From the Ares Crusader II's description: Every other integral Gas-Vent system in a gun has the same wording of "barrel-mounted", thus it's not hard to believe another barrel-mounted accessory cannot be added. From the start of the Firearms Accessories section: Ta. That means that there's no way to get gas-vent recoil compensation AND a silencer unless you go with a Ingram Smartgun X or similar. |
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Jul 22 2013, 12:39 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
Might be something they'll change this edition. Previously, if a gun had both a Suppressor and a Gas Vent, you had the choice of one or the other when it came to firing.
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Jul 22 2013, 03:46 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-August 09 From: Vancouver, Canada Member No.: 17,538 |
Yes, when firing. But the rules in 4th ed allowed both to be put on one weapon so long as they were either both mods or one was an accessory and the other a mod. Under 4th, all things added to a weapon in its description, like gas vents or suppressors were considered mods and therefore didn't take up weapon accessory slots. They will probably stick with this when they release the combat source book but for the time being, you can either consider all such things to be accessories and therefore you don't have those slots available on the gun or you can consider them to all be integral to the weapon and the slots are still open. Ask your GM but I lean toward the latter interpretation.
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Jul 22 2013, 08:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 13-July 13 Member No.: 127,501 |
QUOTE (Gear ratings glossary, p.417) Mounts: There are several places where a weapon accessory can be attached to a firearm: underbarrel, barrel, or top-mount. Only one accessory can be attached to a particular mount. Integral accessories (those that come with the weapon) don’t take up mount locations. (Emphasis mine) Plus ca change,... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Haven't found any entry yet, which prevents the Ingram Smartgun X from simultaneously using the gas-vent and the suppressor. |
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Jul 22 2013, 10:59 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Columbus, OH Member No.: 875 |
Logically a gas vent and suppressor can not be used on the same gun, but the Ingram Smartgun has been that way for 20 years now so I think we just have to accept it.
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Jul 22 2013, 02:13 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Samoth @ Jul 22 2013, 03:59 AM) Logically a gas vent and suppressor can not be used on the same gun, but the Ingram Smartgun has been that way for 20 years now so I think we just have to accept it. There is a reason that the Ingram Smartgun X is the "Street Samurai's Sidekick". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jul 22 2013, 05:11 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Skynet @ Jul 22 2013, 11:19 AM) Haven't found any entry yet, which prevents the Ingram Smartgun X from simultaneously using the gas-vent and the suppressor. Most likely comes back with the the gun modding rules in Run and Gun. It was same in SR4 until Arsenal came out. |
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