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post Jul 25 2013, 09:27 AM
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Ares light fire 75: A light pistol with low damage (6) and average base accuracy, this gun costs a packet but has several good points that might be argued to make it worth it. First and foremost, it comes with an integral smartgun system. Nice, but hardly unique and lets face it if you want a smartgun pistol then the Predator V is a far superior choice most of the time. This weapon's main strength is that it also includes an integral silencer, meaning that (by a straight reading of the rules) it can also take a gas vent system as the integral upgrade doesn't use up its barrel slot. If you want a silent light pistol with a gas vent then this is your gun, but with it's price tag I can't really say that most people will favor it.

Ares light fire 70: The bare bones version of the 75, this gun sacrifices all the automatic upgrades to give you the cheapest light pistol in the game. once again it's damage isn't great, but it's base accuracy is top-tier and its endurance is solid with a 16 round clip. Though the special silencer isn't standard on this model you can still buy it as an extra, and it's 25% more effective than an ordinary silencer at +50% of the price. Personally, it's a solid all-rounder and a good throw-away due to its price.

Beretta 201T: Low damage, average accuracy, and a price tag barely higher than the light fire 70, this gun's stand-out features are a larger 21 round clip, a detachable stock and, the big one, burst fire capacity. If you want a concealable carry weapon but aren't really that skilled with pistols, this gun is a solid choice for you.

Colt America L36: High damage, high accuracy, classic. If this gun has a flaw it's the weapons endurance, with a measly 11 round clip. If that doesn't matter to you then this is arguably a contender for top light pistol for you.

Fichetti Security 600: High damage, average accuracy. This is a badass pistol that comes standard with a laser sight and a folding stock, along with a staggering 30 round clip! A less accurate design and marginally more expensive than the Colt America, this weapon compensates with the largest clip capacity of any light pistol and a highly useful folding stock to help with recoil. Good gun.

Taurus Omni-6: This is a gun with a split personality, so I'll give it two reviews. The common factors are the worst accuracy of any light pistol, lousy ammunition capacity, and a laser sight included in the package. Most wounding is that it cannot mount a silencer due to it being a revolver, so it'll probably be gas vented if you're in the mood to mod such a pistol.
It's first personality is a semi-automatic pistol with low damage, no internal compensation for recoil, and as mentioned before lousy ammunition. add a gas vent, and it can lay down two semi-auto bursts before you reload.
The second personality is a SS pistol with the best damage (ok, technically best AP. either way it's the hardest hitting) of any light pistol. Not bad at all due to the rules for SS weapon. Might be worth it if you don't care about stealth but for whatever reason have to use a light pistol.

to sum up, they're all fairly well rounded and each has their own niche. have fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 25 2013, 12:16 PM
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One thing to note about the Fichetti (in my opinion the best of the Light Pistols if you must use them) is that it comes with a detachable laser sight (actual wording is The Fichetti Security 600 comes with a detachable folding stock and laser sight.) As worded the laser sight is removable, not integral. Any other gun with a laser sight list it either as integral or built-in, so due to the wording you can remove this one and put it on another gun if you want.
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post Jul 25 2013, 01:32 PM
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I love light pistols and I hope that they see a bit more play now. For the longest time, it's been "Well, you have a Predator on your hip and a hold-out tucked away ... somewhere. Good to go." A little variety is the spice of life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 25 2013, 04:19 PM
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Well lights have their own conceal rating, fit on those rather cool bracer holsters and will still sting when they hit someone. They're a nice sidearm for someone who doesn't necessarily want to be seen carrying heat.
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post Jul 25 2013, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Samoth @ Jul 25 2013, 06:16 AM) *
One thing to note about the Fichetti (in my opinion the best of the Light Pistols if you must use them) is that it comes with a detachable laser sight (actual wording is The Fichetti Security 600 comes with a detachable folding stock and laser sight.) As worded the laser sight is removable, not integral. Any other gun with a laser sight list it either as integral or built-in, so due to the wording you can remove this one and put it on another gun if you want.


Disagree with this... It has a Detachable Folding Stock, and a Laser Sight.
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post Jul 25 2013, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE (Wakshaani @ Jul 25 2013, 07:32 AM) *
I love light pistols and I hope that they see a bit more play now. For the longest time, it's been "Well, you have a Predator on your hip and a hold-out tucked away ... somewhere. Good to go." A little variety is the spice of life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Interesting... I tended to use a Light Pistol over a Heavy Pistol, more often than not. I particularly like the Hammerli, but there are a few others I really like to.
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post Jul 26 2013, 02:24 AM
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I'd love to design a few new ones for the game. Heavies too, and hold outs, and... well, I wanna design a lot of stuff. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 26 2013, 06:24 AM
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I usually had a backup of sorts on hand. Depends on the character, of course, as well. In SR2-3 I used them a bit more than 4. I remember my favorite-the Walther PB-120. If you used the short-clip version, that thing had a concealability of 8, which in a lined coat or concealable holster was near impossible to spot, and loaded with APDS ammo, it didn't matter it had a lower damage code, as APDS halved all Ballistic armor in the old days. Easily one of my favorite of the small arms. I remember seeing it in the Fields of Fire book and thinking 'Okay, this thing could be fun.' Other lights I liked were the Hammerli, the Colt American and the Taurus Multi-6. They were never a primary firearm, but it was rare that I wouldn't have at least one for a backup.

SR4 I found I didn't use them so much. SR5 I'm finding myself wanting to use them again.

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post Jul 26 2013, 07:36 AM
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All depends on the character, but I find that Light Pistols work great as an "Everyday Carry" like going grocery shopping or doing basic running around. Stuff of life.

Light Pistols likely make up the majority of legal concealed carry pieces, and won't get a second glance if your SIN shows you have a permit for it (Which, in the UCAS, is probably pretty easy to get. And, in some neighborhoods, counts as a "Proof of Intelligence" test!).

Let's face it, if you need to carry a Ruger Super Warhawk to pick up some Soymilk and Dunkie-Pop ("The Popcorn that pops on your stovetop!"), you're either a Troll, a paranoid, or really need to get the surgery so you don't have to overcompensate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 26 2013, 07:40 AM
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Or you live in the barrens.
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post Jul 26 2013, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 25 2013, 11:36 PM) *
Let's face it, if you need to carry a Ruger Super Warhawk to pick up some Soymilk and Dunkie-Pop ("The Popcorn that pops on your stovetop!"), you're either a Troll, a paranoid, or really need to get the surgery so you don't have to overcompensate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I carry a Light Pistol today to buy milk and popcorn, and that's before somebody went ahead and made some of the random yahoos you might bump into on the street 9 feet tall and a quarter ton of extra bone and muscle. Light pistols are roughly comparable to 9mm/.40 semiautos, maybe on a compact frame but mostly aimed at being midpower, not overly heavy and not too big for some hands. Heavy pistols I've always figured as starting in the 10mm+ range, and built as combat weapons... they're not intended to be concealed, they're supposed to be strapped to your thigh or to the front of your body armor, and they're intended as backups for a fight where your primary is an assault rifle and your targets also wear armor. Before they did away with variable concealment ratings, the Browning Ultra-Power was one of my go-to heavy pistols... nearly as concealable as most Lights, still had 10 rounds in the mag.
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post Jul 26 2013, 09:35 AM
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One of the first things I hollered for once we introduced the Accuracy rating was to increase that stat on Light Pistols, so that folks would have some reason to take 'em over their big brothers. It's one of the little changes I'm really glad to have fought for, and really glad the contracted writers were gracious enough to indulge me.
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post Jul 26 2013, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE (Critias @ Jul 26 2013, 05:35 AM) *
One of the first things I hollered for once we introduced the Accuracy rating was to increase that stat on Light Pistols, so that folks would have some reason to take 'em over their big brothers. It's one of the little changes I'm really glad to have fought for, and really glad the contracted writers were gracious enough to indulge me.


Yeah, that sounds nice for game balance except its the opposite of reality. You won't have a snubnose .38 be more accurate than a long barrel .44. Fired by the same shooter of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jul 26 2013, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (Slide @ Jul 26 2013, 12:50 PM) *
Yeah, that sounds nice for game balance except its the opposite of reality. You won't have a snubnose .38 be more accurate than a long barrel .44. Fired by the same shooter of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

On the otherhands most target pistols would go under the light pistol class and those are build first and foremost for accuracy.
Also quite pointless to compare accuracy of a snubnose revolver and long barrel revolver.
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post Jul 26 2013, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (Slide @ Jul 26 2013, 03:50 AM) *
Yeah, that sounds nice for game balance except its the opposite of reality. You won't have a snubnose .38 be more accurate than a long barrel .44. Fired by the same shooter of course (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

No, but you do have Olympic shooters firing .22's instead of .50 hand cannons or even full-sized combat handguns (and I'd also argue that a snubby is closer to a hold-out in SR terms, or a gun modified under some Arsenal-esque rules that sacrifice range/accuracy for concealability). Light pistols are smaller guns, shooter-friendly, with more of an eye towards accuracy and ergonomics, less recoil, yadda yadda yadda -- which is, in my opinion at least, enough of "realism" to go with it for the game balance reason.
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post Jul 26 2013, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE (Critias @ Jul 26 2013, 04:08 AM) *
No, but you do have Olympic shooters firing .22's instead of .50 hand cannons or even full-sized combat handguns (and I'd also argue that a snubby is closer to a hold-out in SR terms, or a gun modified under some Arsenal-esque rules that sacrifice range/accuracy for concealability). Light pistols are smaller guns, shooter-friendly, with more of an eye towards accuracy and ergonomics, less recoil, yadda yadda yadda -- which is, in my opinion at least, enough of "realism" to go with it for the game balance reason.


Agreed... My target pistol is chambered in the Fearsome Caliber of .22. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 26 2013, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 26 2013, 09:35 AM) *
Agreed... My target pistol is chambered in the Fearsome Caliber of .22. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Indeed. I don't know how anyone can afford to go to the range regularly with anything else.
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post Jul 26 2013, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Jul 26 2013, 02:40 AM) *
Or you live in the barrens.


If you live in the Barrens, you carry a Predator to the shitter. If you're going outside, it's SMG time at the least. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)
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post Jul 26 2013, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE (Critias @ Jul 26 2013, 05:08 AM) *
No, but you do have Olympic shooters firing .22's instead of .50 hand cannons or even full-sized combat handguns (and I'd also argue that a snubby is closer to a hold-out in SR terms, or a gun modified under some Arsenal-esque rules that sacrifice range/accuracy for concealability). Light pistols are smaller guns, shooter-friendly, with more of an eye towards accuracy and ergonomics, less recoil, yadda yadda yadda -- which is, in my opinion at least, enough of "realism" to go with it for the game balance reason.


Olympic shooters use .22 for several reasons, none of them to do with accuracy. Mostly it's because full-bore rifle rounds need very, very long ranges for safety, and are punishing on the body to shoot a lot. Heck, most of the Olympic sports are shooting air rifles these days, except for the shotgun sports.
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post Jul 26 2013, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (thorya @ Jul 26 2013, 10:08 AM) *
Indeed. I don't know how anyone can afford to go to the range regularly with anything else.


When I was in the Marine Corps, on the weekends, I would burn about 1 Box of .44 Magnum (50 Rounds), and another 5 boxes of 9mm (250 Rounds). About 2-3 times per month. Really cannot afford to do that now. Of course, I don't own either of those guns anymore. Though I DO love my Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Long Colt. Still too expensive to shoot regularly, though.

.22 is the way to go to maintain proficiency. Now if I could only get to the Range more often than I do. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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post Jul 26 2013, 04:23 PM
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I can't even -find- .22LR out here lately, and the places that don't have it tell me the price has tripled. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif)

Glad I've still got a couple cases of com-bloc 7.62 stashed away for range time.
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post Jul 26 2013, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jul 26 2013, 10:23 AM) *
I can't even -find- .22LR out here lately, and the places that don't have it tell me the price has tripled. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif)

Glad I've still got a couple cases of com-bloc 7.62 stashed away for range time.


THAT is very true... Really depressing, that is...
Might have my relatives bring me some from Texas when they visit this Thanksgiving. A couple of Bricks would be nice.
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post Jul 26 2013, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 26 2013, 11:49 AM) *
THAT is very true... Really depressing, that is...
Might have my relatives bring me some from Texas when they visit this Thanksgiving. A couple of Bricks would be nice.


I've got a half-brick of .22 left, but I'm saving that for small game season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)
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QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jul 26 2013, 11:15 AM) *
I've got a half-brick of .22 left, but I'm saving that for small game season. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)


Don't even get to do that anymore... Well, no hunting at all, really, anymore. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
Got a couple of boxes of Swedish 6.5mm, 10 rounds of .45 Long Colt, a box of 30-06, and about 2/3 of a Brick of .22 in case the Zombie Hordes attack (or the neighbors get roudy), though. Sadly my shotgun is still in Texas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

EDIT: Can't forgot about the Hawken... got about 100 .54 Caliber Slugs (and an additional 100 or so .429 Caliber Sabot Rounds) for the Hawken.
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post Jul 26 2013, 05:39 PM
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My little, isolated, rural town has probably some of the most ammo in all of Alaska, and I've pretty much bought the town out of 9mm to feed my Ruger. Had to move to a .40 just to keep shooting (don't even ask how freaking expensive .45 is out here.... AAHHHHHH. I have a new Kimber that needs to be broken in). I recently picked up a 10mm Rock Island 1911 for a deal, but can't actually find ANY 10 mm yet. Sad but true.

I missed the great .22 shortage (though I have a few boxes of federal laying around) since I switched to .17 HMR for small game. And wow, that is one freaking accurate round.
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