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[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

You miss understand what I'm saying. It's the total of all the seperate foci u use. Power is addictive.

Yes, as it should be. But that total should be because of simultaneous useage. Not because I use one focus today, and a differnet focus (of the same power level) on Thursday. It should be because I used them BOTH at the same time, and the power is calling to me. :wobble)

[Cain]

And that's why the addiction rules are borked. Someone who binges is less likely to be addicted than a regular user, not the other way around.

Under the current rules, someone who overloads on foci just once every week for three weeks is at risk for addiction, while someone who overloads 24/7 for two weeks then takes a week off is at no risk at all.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

And that's why the addiction rules are borked. Someone who binges is less likely to be addicted than a regular user, not the other way around.

Under the current rules, someone who overloads on foci just once every week for three weeks is at risk for addiction, while someone who overloads 24/7 for two weeks then takes a week off is at no risk at all.

Yep... Not surprised, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Shinobi Killfist]

Addiction is quirky in real life as well.

I think the idea is under the magic limit you are a at the drink a day kind of guy. Sure yeah that sometimes addicts people, on the other hand usually no it doesn't. Under a certain threshold you are probably not getting the magic high that would be addictive.

[Slide]

Addiction is quirky in real life as well.

I think the idea is under the magic limit you are a at the drink a day kind of guy. Sure yeah that sometimes addicts people, on the other hand usually no it doesn't. Under a certain threshold you are probably not getting the magic high that would be addictive.

That depends, do you feel that you need that beer after work every day to take the edge off? Are you slightly annoyed when you don't get it? Welcome to mild addiction. Almost like people who have to have a cup of coffee every day to get by. Addiction doesn't allways mean detrimental to your life, thats just the truely bad cases of it.

Now on the same point would most mages feel aprehensive if they don't have their foci with them? would they be a bit jumpy, edgey , irritable? would they act in a diffrent manner without them? If the character isn't addicted to the foci, maybe the player is.

[Wulffyre]

That depends, do you feel that you need that beer after work every day to take the edge off? Are you slightly annoyed when you don't get it? Welcome to mild addiction. Almost like people who have to have a cup of coffee every day to get by. Addiction doesn't allways mean detrimental to your life, thats just the truely bad cases of it.

Now on the same point would most mages feel aprehensive if they don't have their foci with them? would they be a bit jumpy, edgey , irritable? would they act in a diffrent manner without them? If the character isn't addicted to the foci, maybe the player is.

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[Dolanar]

as far as Qi Foci...I would use some of the lesser used Adept powers coming in more here...or things that have highly situational use. Or for basic every day stuff if you have a hard time getting the extra points for more PP.

[RHat]

as far as Qi Foci...I would use some of the lesser used Adept powers coming in more here...or things that have highly situational use. Or for basic every day stuff if you have a hard time getting the extra points for more PP.

See: Improved Sense, Wall Running...

[Fatum]

Foci addiction is imo as much bulldrek as hotsim addiction. Punishing a character for doing his job is just backwards.

[RHat]

Foci addiction is imo as much bulldrek as hotsim addiction. Punishing a character for doing his job is just backwards.

Now I'm reminded of TF2's Heavy and his relationship with his guns...

[phlapjack77]

Foci addiction is imo as much bulldrek as hotsim addiction. Punishing a character for doing his job is just backwards.

I never saw it in this light, but I really like your point. It seems like a shoe-horned way to try to curtail players using a lot of foci, even though there are already other rules in place for that.

[Fatum]

Yeah, there are ways to limit foci abuse without addiction. The foci addiction is like making machineguns or chameleon suits addictive.
Oh, here's a better example: implantation addiction is canon. Should using the implants also be made addictive? "Addiction to power" and all that.

[Sendaz]

Oh, here's a better example: implantation addiction is canon. Should using the implants also be made addictive? "Addiction to power" and all that.

Wait, isn't THIS how an addiction to implants could end up?

[phlapjack77]

Wait, isn't THIS how an addiction to implants could end up?

Interesting that you seem to have saved this link... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[quentra]

I nearly always take Aug Addiction for my sams. I mean, that chrome, it's just so shiny...

[Slide]

Ofcoarse sams are addicted to augmentation, less than .25 ess? how is that not addiction, you are barely a human being at that point. And saying that they are being punished for "doing their job" is a bull shit argument. Thats like saying that steroids used by major league athleats, or methanphetamines used by seals to stay awake aren't harmful and/or addictive. I mean they are just trying to do their job right? Or wait, maybe your saying that if I build a supper tank tin man sam I shouldn't become addicted to the Kamakazi I use to boost my inititive. I'm just doing my job right? But I guess that it comes down to the concept of player agency, where nothing should actually stand in the players way.

Welcome to the cyberpunk dystopian future, where becoming the top 1% in the food chain cost you something.

[Fatum]

Ofcoarse sams are addicted to augmentation, less than .25 ess? how is that not addiction, you are barely a human being at that point.

Not all sams are .25 essence; but sure, as soon as it's in the rules, you can say that focus addiction is par for the course.

And saying that they are being punished for "doing their job" is a bull shit argument.

I can hardly offer anything to argue such a strongly presented point.

[Slide]

Yes, thank you for taking one sentence of what I said, calling it a "strong argument" in an attempt to be a sarcastic ass while ignoring what else I've written. You have a future in politics my friend. About as effective as saying that adiction is bulldreck and backwards.

[Dolanar]

actually I find Improved Senses can be worthwhile if you take some of the more exotic ones, I recently took thermo (the most capacity expensive of the eyewear options) for a small expenditure of PP, also when we get more options that means we can get Xray or other exotic types through it

[Fatum]

Yes, thank you for taking one sentence of what I said

So you just skipped the first half of my comment, then?

[Slide]

No, just didn't feel the need to respond to it. Thanks for the partial quote again. I feel almost famous.

[Fatum]

No, just didn't feel the need to respond to it.

So, you read it, but despite it addressing your argument, you still felt the need to claim your argument was being ignored? I am sorry that not all that is read is understood.

[Slide]

because it didn't address anything. It takes into acount none of the penalties associated with low ess.

[Fatum]

Okay, I see I'll have to handwalk you through this, as you appear sadly overwhelmed.

(1) You claim that focus addiction is a reasonable rule, because sams with 0.25 essence are equally addicted to implantation.
(2) I point out that this implantation addiction is not in the rules, and thus changes the sensibleness of focus addiction in no way.
(3) Now you counter that "the penalties associated with low ess" are taken "into no acount" (whatever that might be), as if it somehow contradicts the point (2).

[Slide]

ok, so how would implementation of augmentation addiction look?

And I will ask you one time only to stop making personal attacks on the public forum. If you feel the need to private message me that's fine.