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[Cain]

I wonder if it is possible to have enough shares in multiple AAAs, enough to have a board seat but not having a controlling interest.

Sure it is. I bet the Corporate Court has that, at the very least.

[Sendaz]

Depends on the policies of the corp in how the members of the board are selected.

The big issue is non-competition, to ensure you are not sitting on two or more different boards and playing these against each other or leaking information back and forth.

It could be done, but expect a lot closer scrutiny on any actions done with the slightest whiff of acting not in the company interest triggering a review.

[toturi]

Depends on the policies of the corp in how the members of the board are selected.

The big issue is non-competition, to ensure you are not sitting on two or more different boards and playing these against each other or leaking information back and forth.

It could be done, but expect a lot closer scrutiny on any actions done with the slightest whiff of acting not in the company interest triggering a review.

It occurs to me that the Big D must have had enough stock in both Ares and Fuchi for Vogel and Lanier to get board seats. Did Dunkie have any stock in Aztech?

[ShadowDragon8685]

It occurs to me that the Big D must have had enough stock in both Ares and Fuchi for Vogel and Lanier to get board seats. Did Dunkie have any stock in Aztech?

Yep. He left that to someone else, too.

But the rules are different when you're someone who could knock, like, all the orbital weapon platforms out of the entire visible sky at once with your mind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[toturi]

Yep. He left that to someone else, too.

But the rules are different when you're someone who could knock, like, all the orbital weapon platforms out of the entire visible sky at once with your mind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I would really like to see "Portfolio of Another Dragon: Some other GD's Secrets".

[FuelDrop]

Great dragons have nothing on humanity. We have been killing stuff since before we even evolved, and over all that time we've been getting pretty damned good at it. We are THE dominant power on this planet (thanks, thumbs), and they can get with the program or GTF off our rock. We walked on the moon, we invented television, we colonized the harshest environments on this planet, and all without their precious magic.

Seriously, what do they contribute? Staggering greed and hubris? We've already got that. Being a flying death machine? Apache AH64 Longhorn outbadasses them any day. Magic? Yeah, lets go with that.

They bring magic, and they aren't sharing. How much longer are we apes really going to put up with these leaches?

[Sendaz]

Great dragons have nothing on humanity. We have been killing stuff since before we even evolved, and over all that time we've been getting pretty damned good at it. We are THE dominant power on this planet (thanks, thumbs), and they can get with the program or GTF off our rock. We walked on the moon, we invented television, we colonized the harshest environments on this planet, and all without their precious magic.

Seriously, what do they contribute? Staggering greed and hubris? We've already got that. Being a flying death machine? Apache AH64 Longhorn outbadasses them any day. Magic? Yeah, lets go with that.

They bring magic, and they aren't sharing. How much longer are we apes really going to put up with these leaches?

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[FuelDrop]

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Yeah. For anyone who hasn't worked it out yet, I'm not a fan of either GDs or IEs.

So join us, buy the dragonskin jacket. We rock, and those freeloaders can shape up or GTFO.

[ShadowDragon8685]

That's why I like Big D and Hestaby.

They're with the program. They grok that, like it or not, this time the apes have advanced technologically past the point where they need magic at all. If the Seventh Age was to begin immediately, it would greatly simplify humanity's lives, not smash them back to the stone age. They, as a consequence, are with the program that, mighty and huge or not, they're the ones who needed to adapt and become citizens of this new world, not attempt to subjugate the new world, old-school style.

Lofwyr's sort-of with the program. He still wants to be in charge, but he didn't get to be in charge by being large and scaly, he got to be in charge by using vast sums of money. So he subjugated, but new-school style.

Sirrug and the Sea Dragon and Alamais are not with the program. They're the loners and the sulkers, the ones desperately clinging to the old ways in the face of all reality flying at them. They simply do not grok how powerful, how prolific, and how dangerous metahumanity has become; they think that flying apes in jet fighters can be no more dangerous to them than flying apes levitating with magic were in the Fourth World. They are wrong. Supersonic jet fighters capable of spamming air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions, attack choppers capable of super-spamming hellfire rockets, orbital weapons platforms capable of launching their choice of kinetic penetrators or directed energy weapons, attack submarines and surface vessels capable of launching cruise missiles with ranges of hundreds, if not thousands, of miles, ABCN (Atomic, Bilogical, Chemical, Nanoscale) weaponry... Mass drivers, heavy machine guns spamming left and right, combat laser weapons...

The list is practically inexhaustible, as are the enemy's reserves, and they should count their lucky stars they're only going up against Aztechnology. If the old-school United States of America's military were still in existence, it wouldn't even be a close fucking contest.



There is a dominant species on the planet earth. And that species is Homo Sapiens *, where * is a wildcard standing for any form of metahumanity. Dragons individually may be on top of the food chain, but humanity collectively dines on Great Dragonsteaks if it comes down to a tooth-and-claw fight for survival.

[binarywraith]

And yet, if a dragon is at all smart, he'll never have to worry about it. For all that humans are very effective in groups, they are also very easily controlled. Money, societal pressure, fear, or just plain mind control magic eases the odds very quickly.

[Nath]

It occurs to me that the Big D must have had enough stock in both Ares and Fuchi for Vogel and Lanier to get board seats. Did Dunkie have any stock in Aztech?

The text of Dunkelzahn's will only mentions giving Arthur Vogel "his" seat on Ares Macrotechnology board (which suggest Dunkelzahn did take part in Ares board meeting, or at least could), and does not mention any number of shares. However, based on the numbers given in Corporate Shadowfiles and Corporate Download, he may have only have had 1 or 2% of Ares stock before buying Leonard Aurelius' shares. Another 12% were owned by Dunkelzahn through Gavilan Ventures, which was the only asset actually bequeathed to Nadja Daviar (she only got to manage the rest as chairman of the Draco Foundation).

Miles Lanier inherited 4 million shares in Renraku Computer Systems, not Fuchi, and a seat that the share "entitles" him to. The books suggest it represents less than 10%.

Dunkelzahn also owned some shares in Fuchi Industrial Electronics, which he let to Richard Villiers. Based on Corporate Shadowfiles, that would have been less than 3% (3% being the grand total of what wasn't already owned by Villiers, Nakatomi and Yamana).

Finally, Dunkelzahn left Oliver McLure shares and a board seat to which they entitles to.

In real life, the only threshold that can guarantee a seat on the board of directors is half the stock, which actually guarantees you in most case all the seats. However, corporate management is also more complicated and require more diplomacy in real life that Shadowrun makes it to be (especially because the shareholders of large corporations rarely own slice as large they do in SR).
In most RL corporations, only the board of directors itself that can propose or validate candidates for the board (establishing a de facto lockdown). In some cases, the company and one or several shareholders pass a "shareholder agreement" that give the shareholder the power to "pre-propose" candidate that the board must validate. But only the general assembly of shareholders retains the power to elect those candidates to the board. So usually the major shareholders also agree beforehand to vote for each other candidates.
In real life, board seats are also physically nominal. You actually cannot give or bequeath them (unlike shareholder agreement, which has contract can possibly be transmitted to someone else). It also means that corporations cannot get a seat by themselves: they must designate a physical person. Having a proxy elected can be risky: the shareholder who supported him cannot "fire" him once he's elected to the board, he has to wait for his term to end (or pressure him into resigning, or the board into altering the election schedule to his term earlier, indeed).

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

And yet, if a dragon is at all smart, he'll never have to worry about it. For all that humans are very effective in groups, they are also very easily controlled. Money, societal pressure, fear, or just plain mind control magic eases the odds very quickly.

Sad but True... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Lantzer]

Yeah. For anyone who hasn't worked it out yet, I'm not a fan of either GDs or IEs.

So join us, buy the dragonskin jacket. We rock, and those freeloaders can shape up or GTFO.

I'm sure Human Nation is hiring. They could use a good runner with compatible ethos.