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[Stormdrake]

See its that kinda thing (which they would so do) that has me wondering what is going to crawl out of Bogata and head north like Godzilla for Tokyo.

[Slithery D]

I have a hard time seeing those two F15 shadow spirits in Bogata being killed by anything but a great dragon at this point.

[FuelDrop]

I have a hard time seeing those two F15 shadow spirits in Bogata being killed by anything but a great dragon at this point.

Direct hit with a howitzer anti-tank round. 52P damage, -10 AP. Be immune to that, M*****F******!

[Slithery D]

Back in 13 days.

[FuelDrop]

Back in 13 days.

Hit 'em again. IIRC don't they lose one force every time we pop them? In that case, just keep pummeling them until they learn their lesson. If not, introduce them to the technological wonder that is FAB III.

[Slithery D]

By SR4 rules they keep coming back until you banish/disrupt them at the same time as destroying a copy of their spirit formula and winning a Willpower + Banishing vs. Force + Edge test.

Good luck.

Or an appropriately difficult astral quest followed by a fight against them at the end of the quest after you've been weakened.

Good luck.

[Jaid]

not to mention you have to actually hit said spirits, which means they first have to materialize in a location that you have your artillery aimed at, and then prevent them from becoming aware at any point that said artillery fire is on it's way (otherwise they just pop back into the astral and enjoy the fact that they just made you shoot a howitzer at an orphanage or something like that).

[Nath]

I have a hard time seeing those two F15 shadow spirits in Bogata being killed by anything but a great dragon at this point.

According to Storm Front, page 111, Maelstrom and Oblivion moved to Denver (how they could represent a big enough threat for Ghostwalker and Harlequin to end their fight, when Harlequin and almost all the great dragons stated so far had a Force 20 spirits at hand, except for Lofwyr, and Ghostwalker is supposed to a greatest summoner than any of them, and Zebulon itself used to be Force 18, is beyond me).

[Stormdrake]

The explanation given was that Ghostwalker could have kicked the Azzie's butt's right out of Denver but if he did that he would have let the shadow spirits free to disrupt and twist the free spirits of Dwnver. If he had attacked the Shadow spirits the Azzie's could have then "possibly" slipt in a strike against him or his allies in Denver that would have been very destructive. I don't buy it as Ghostwalker when he originally showed up handed all five sectors their collective hats against military and magical assets at least the equal of what the Azzie's showed up with at the end of Stormfront. Probablly a lot less as the Azzie's just came out of multi year war that really put them through the grinder.

Anyway that was the explanation given. The best explanation of the explanation I have heard is that this was an attempt to undo cannon history that they did not agree with. Hope I am wrong but that is the"best" explanation so far.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

The explanation given was that Ghostwalker could have kicked the Azzie's butt's right out of Denver but if he did that he would have let the shadow spirits free to disrupt and twist the free spirits of Dwnver. If he had attacked the Shadow spirits the Azzie's could have then "possibly" slipt in a strike against him or his allies in Denver that would have been very destructive. I don't buy it as Ghostwalker when he originally showed up handed all five sectors their collective hats against military and magical assets at least the equal of what the Azzie's showed up with at the end of Stormfront. Probablly a lot less as the Azzie's just came out of multi year war that really put them through the grinder.

Anyway that was the explanation given. The best explanation of the explanation I have heard is that this was an attempt to undo cannon history that they did not agree with. Hope I am wrong but that is the"best" explanation so far.

There is a huge Difference between Surprise achieved (Ghostwalker when he took Denver the first time) and a protracted fight with the Military Might of a AAA Corporation that is ready, willing and able to prosecute a war with a Dragon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Angelone]

Yes, but why go back? What's so special about Denver that you'd provoke not only Ghostwalker but the other treaty nations? Who haven't just come out of a long tough war.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Yes, but why go back? What's so special about Denver that you'd provoke not only Ghostwalker but the other treaty nations? Who haven't just come out of a long tough war.

Pride? Hubris? Embarrassment for having been kicked out? Revenge? Probably other reasons out there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Slithery D]

Yeah, Ghostwalker clearly had a huge advantage of surprise in his 2061 attack. It takes quite a while to mobilize and coordinate the armored and air forces that would have been able to do anything.

I'm less convinced the Azzies have really good reasons to spend a whole lot of resources on a return to Denver. I guess some of it is to avoid a precedent, and theoretically being in Denver makes them part of the North American political scene in a bigger way. Valuable, but is it valuable enough? It doesn't rank in the top 20 most ridiculous geopolitical things in SR, at least.

[Voran]

Obviously Ghostwalker didn't have wireless enabled.

[Jaid]

keeping the azzies out would actually be a big enough wireless bonus that i might consider turning on wireless for once (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

edit: and would also go a long ways towards explaining why all the other megacorps are willing to put all of their incredibly valuable stuff on the matrix, given there really aren't a lot of other plausible reasons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[shonen_mask]

keeping the azzies out would actually be a big enough wireless bonus that i might consider turning on wireless for once (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

edit: and would also go a long ways towards explaining why all the other megacorps are willing to put all of their incredibly valuable stuff on the matrix, given there really aren't a lot of other plausible reasons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Where else would they put it is a better question.....

The matrix looks as if its powered by the sheer uncountable user base. and they never bothered to seperate the technology into a developmemt base and user base too...
so...

Just touching the matrix is dangerous but its impossible to live without.

[Draco18s]

The matrix looks as if its powered by the sheer uncountable user base.

"I drive a car powered by my own sense of self satisfaction."
Sorry. XD

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Where else would they put it is a better question.....

The matrix looks as if its powered by the sheer uncountable user base. and they never bothered to seperate the technology into a developmemt base and user base too...
so...

Just touching the matrix is dangerous but its impossible to live without.

Not impossible, just difficult.

[FuelDrop]

"I drive a car powered by my own sense of self satisfaction."

If it were powered by my ego it'd be the most powerful vehicle in the world (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Neraph]

I have a hard time seeing those two F15 shadow spirits in Bogata being killed by anything but a great dragon at this point.

By SR4 rules they keep coming back until you banish/disrupt them at the same time as destroying a copy of their spirit formula and winning a Willpower + Banishing vs. Force + Edge test.

Good luck.

Or an appropriately difficult astral quest followed by a fight against them at the end of the quest after you've been weakened.

Good luck.

I could do it.

[Slithery D]

From what I remember of your game rules you could win against every statted GD and IE at once.

[Rubic]

From what I remember of your game rules you could win against every statted GD and IE at once.

If you stat it, the players will kill it.

Edit:
Apparently, sometimes you don't even need to do that...

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/That_Guy_Destroys_All_Psions

[FuelDrop]

MRSI and AV howitzer rounds should do the job.

[ShadowDragon8685]

And really, it should be that way. At the end of the day, a Great Dragon is made of meat, not adamantine with neutronium armor.

Sure, they have a hell of a lot of magic, and if they're smart, a lot of technology, in their corner, but at the end of it all, they're still made of meat, and if they have stats, some player will find a creative way to kill them, assuming they're stupid enough to engage at all.

And really, why would you? Are you really so confident that you're willing to go claw-to-cannon with these nigh-suicidal lunatics? Even if you think you know what they're up to, they may surprise you, and if they surprise you in a manner to which you are unprepared, they might actually be dangerous. If they're really good and/or lucky, they could hit you with something you never thought to prepare yourself for, like sixteen rating 10 cutter/sutr nanite colonies. Or that round that hits you and doesn't do anything may actually be a tracking beacon guiding the THOR shot/cruise missile.

Even if your name begins with "The Great Dragon ...", do the smart thing: don't be anywhere near the fighting yourself. Just because you're ten tons and scaly doesn't make you immune to assassination. If you think it does, perhaps you should consult with The Great Dragon Dunkelzahn about the topic of draconic immunity to assassination.

[Slithery D]

Sorry, you can't talk to him because he's tied up with the suicide hotline. But what would he know about assassination, anyway?