 Bioware and the Awakened Errata, omg wtf rofl shoot me |
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 May 1 2004, 05:12 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 309 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,548  |
"Magic is reduced by the character's Bio Index divided by 2 (round down)."
Uhm. So, my reading of this is that a mage with 1.9999999999999 bio index doesn't take any magic loss. Now, I think this makes more sense, personally, but...I can't be reading this right, can I? No, I can't, not quite. But the rules here are...much much nicer than they were before. Have people houseruled it back, or anything? |
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May 1 2004, 05:14 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,999 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
You are, IIRC. On the other hand, there's no way to get that partcular fraction of Essence :)
~J |
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May 1 2004, 05:25 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
I think it's worded badly in the first paragraph
There you go, the "rounded down" phrase was just in the perfect spot to be read wrong in the first paragraph. The rounding happens to the Magic rating, not the loss from Bio Index.
Checking the example to make sure, it looks as though it IS the magic rating that is rounded down. Otherwise, the 0.5 in the example would've been rounded down to 0 before subtracting. Therefore you can have a Bio Index of 1.999999999 and only lose 1 magic point, but once you hit 2.0000000000001, you're losing 2 magic points. Same as always. And still much nicer than the old rules The Abstruse One |
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May 1 2004, 05:43 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
I did the same "what the hell" doubletake when I read that too. Luckily the rest of the section and the example make it clear that you round Magic Rating.
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May 1 2004, 09:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 309 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,548 |
Yeah...but the nice thing...unless I'm double-reading-it-wrong, is that now essence and bio index combine to determine magic loss. Before, you could have a datajack and a sleep regulator and be down 2 points of magic.
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May 1 2004, 09:44 PM
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Decker on the Threshold Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,922 Joined: 14-March 04 Member No.: 6,156 |
That's true. Also you no longer have that wierd lost-for-all-mechanical-purposes-but-isn't-quite-the-same "virtual magic loss" with bioware, which really sucked when MitS let you take geasea for Essence-loss but bioware "virtual loss".
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May 1 2004, 10:28 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Yeah, plus the thing with halving BI. Altogether it's a good time to be a mage :) |
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May 2 2004, 12:02 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
it's a better time to be a physad.
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May 2 2004, 12:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 309 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,548 |
No kiddin' :). I'm thinking about making my next char a physad.
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May 2 2004, 12:37 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
all my chars start out as physads. halfway through the chargen process, i'll think "hm, this'd work better as a sam/rigger/decker/whatever". me likey the physads.
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May 2 2004, 07:57 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,102 Joined: 23-March 04 From: The Grizzly Grunion, in a VIP room. Member No.: 6,191 |
I loooove me some physads. I find the character has more potential growth. |
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May 2 2004, 08:48 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
*sigh* yeah, mainly because they have so far to go.
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May 2 2004, 08:58 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Gimme gimme Gun Adept. 12 dice before combat pool...
Shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii... <cocks gun> ...et spiritus sancti... The Abstruse One |
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May 3 2004, 10:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
So, to confim in a nice easy formula that I'll be sticking in an excel sheet used for chargen it's : INT(ESS-(BI/2)) - correct?
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May 3 2004, 11:14 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Not familiar with Excel anymore (haven't used it in years), but that looks about right...unless INT = integer = rounding to the nearest whole number, instead of automatically rounding down all fractions...
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May 3 2004, 11:26 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 28-October 03 From: End of Earth 2mi. Home 4mi Member No.: 5,764 |
The INT function in excel just truncates the number, or always rounds down. Same difference in the end.
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May 3 2004, 05:08 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
@Xirces, yes, your formula is correct except for Shapeshifters (Starting Essence 8, Magic 6).
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May 3 2004, 05:50 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
But yo can't do bioware for shapeshifters
non-sentient being = shoot on sight dangerous animal (bounty on body) |
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May 3 2004, 06:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 19-January 04 Member No.: 5,992 |
I thought you couldn't do bioware on shapeshifters because of regeneration. Like, they just absorb it into their body because they 'heal' it. Or am I just sleepdepped and thinking of ghouls? |
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May 3 2004, 07:21 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 51 Joined: 9-January 04 From: Chicago Member No.: 5,967 |
Abtruse, you are totally a god among men. One o'the best movies ever. |
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May 3 2004, 07:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 345 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Leeds, UK Member No.: 4,046 |
Given that I think the notion of shapeshifter PCs is a bit silly, but it should be pretty easy to change with an extra IF when hell freezes over :) |
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May 3 2004, 08:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 |
Personally as a GM I don't allow shapeshifters to get bioware so for me it would be a moot point. I've allowed a shapeshifter to have cyberware once, but that's only because I had a player who really, really, really wanted to be Wolverine.
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May 4 2004, 05:10 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Yeah. |
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May 4 2004, 06:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 481 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 90 |
The Boondock Saints is one of the best movies ever made! Overall I've bought five copies of it, two to lend out to friends and aquaintences who haven't seen it, one to keep for me to watch anytime I want, and two as christmas gifts for a friend and my Dad. LOL. My brother (who loved the movie) likes to tease me about how I'm gonna pimp that movie 'till the day I die. :D |
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May 4 2004, 10:43 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488 |
Too bad the sequel will never be made because the writer/director is a dick and pissed off the whole of Hollywood...but it's a very Shadowrun-styled film and the brothers are DEFINATELY gun adepts...
The Abstruse One |
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