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Kakkaraun
post May 1 2004, 05:12 PM
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"Magic is reduced by the character's Bio Index divided by 2 (round down)."

Uhm. So, my reading of this is that a mage with 1.9999999999999 bio index doesn't take any magic loss. Now, I think this makes more sense, personally, but...I can't be reading this right, can I?

No, I can't, not quite. But the rules here are...much much nicer than they were before. Have people houseruled it back, or anything?
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post May 1 2004, 05:14 PM
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You are, IIRC. On the other hand, there's no way to get that partcular fraction of Essence :)

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post May 1 2004, 05:25 PM
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I think it's worded badly in the first paragraph
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Magic has a starting value equal to the character's Essence minus (Bio Index 2), rounded down.

There you go, the "rounded down" phrase was just in the perfect spot to be read wrong in the first paragraph. The rounding happens to the Magic rating, not the loss from Bio Index.
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So a starting magician with Essence 5.8 and a Bio Index of 1 begins with a Magic rating of 5 (5.8 - 0.5 = 5.3, rounded down to 5).

Checking the example to make sure, it looks as though it IS the magic rating that is rounded down. Otherwise, the 0.5 in the example would've been rounded down to 0 before subtracting. Therefore you can have a Bio Index of 1.999999999 and only lose 1 magic point, but once you hit 2.0000000000001, you're losing 2 magic points. Same as always. And still much nicer than the old rules

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post May 1 2004, 05:43 PM
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I did the same "what the hell" doubletake when I read that too. Luckily the rest of the section and the example make it clear that you round Magic Rating.
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post May 1 2004, 09:10 PM
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Yeah...but the nice thing...unless I'm double-reading-it-wrong, is that now essence and bio index combine to determine magic loss. Before, you could have a datajack and a sleep regulator and be down 2 points of magic.
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post May 1 2004, 09:44 PM
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That's true. Also you no longer have that wierd lost-for-all-mechanical-purposes-but-isn't-quite-the-same "virtual magic loss" with bioware, which really sucked when MitS let you take geasea for Essence-loss but bioware "virtual loss".
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post May 1 2004, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE (Kakkaraun)
Yeah...but the nice thing...unless I'm double-reading-it-wrong, is that now essence and bio index combine to determine magic loss. Before, you could have a datajack and a sleep regulator and be down 2 points of magic.

Yeah, plus the thing with halving BI. Altogether it's a good time to be a mage :)
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post May 2 2004, 12:02 AM
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it's a better time to be a physad.
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post May 2 2004, 12:35 AM
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No kiddin' :). I'm thinking about making my next char a physad.
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post May 2 2004, 12:37 AM
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all my chars start out as physads. halfway through the chargen process, i'll think "hm, this'd work better as a sam/rigger/decker/whatever". me likey the physads.
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post May 2 2004, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE (mfb)
it's a better time to be a physad.

I loooove me some physads. I find the character has more potential growth.
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post May 2 2004, 08:48 AM
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*sigh* yeah, mainly because they have so far to go.
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post May 2 2004, 08:58 AM
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Gimme gimme Gun Adept. 12 dice before combat pool...

Shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii... <cocks gun> ...et spiritus sancti...

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post May 3 2004, 10:20 AM
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So, to confim in a nice easy formula that I'll be sticking in an excel sheet used for chargen it's : INT(ESS-(BI/2)) - correct?

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post May 3 2004, 11:14 AM
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Not familiar with Excel anymore (haven't used it in years), but that looks about right...unless INT = integer = rounding to the nearest whole number, instead of automatically rounding down all fractions...

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post May 3 2004, 11:26 AM
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The INT function in excel just truncates the number, or always rounds down. Same difference in the end.
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post May 3 2004, 05:08 PM
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@Xirces, yes, your formula is correct except for Shapeshifters (Starting Essence 8, Magic 6).
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post May 3 2004, 05:50 PM
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But yo can't do bioware for shapeshifters
non-sentient being = shoot on sight dangerous animal (bounty on body)
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post May 3 2004, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Nikoli @ May 3 2004, 12:50 PM)
But yo can't do bioware for shapeshifters

I thought you couldn't do bioware on shapeshifters because of regeneration. Like, they just absorb it into their body because they 'heal' it. Or am I just sleepdepped and thinking of ghouls?
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post May 3 2004, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Abstruse)
Gimme gimme Gun Adept. 12 dice before combat pool...

Shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii... <cocks gun> ...et spiritus sancti...

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Abtruse, you are totally a god among men. One o'the best movies ever.
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post May 3 2004, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (OurTeam)
@Xirces, yes, your formula is correct except for Shapeshifters (Starting Essence 8, Magic 6).

Given that I think the notion of shapeshifter PCs is a bit silly, but it should be pretty easy to change with an extra IF when hell freezes over :)
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post May 3 2004, 08:49 PM
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Personally as a GM I don't allow shapeshifters to get bioware so for me it would be a moot point. I've allowed a shapeshifter to have cyberware once, but that's only because I had a player who really, really, really wanted to be Wolverine.
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post May 4 2004, 05:10 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse)
Gimme gimme Gun Adept. 12 dice before combat pool...

Shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii... <cocks gun> ...et spiritus sancti...

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Yeah.
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post May 4 2004, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (Abstruse)
Gimme gimme Gun Adept. 12 dice before combat pool...

Shepherds we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, Power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be. In nomine patris, et filii... <cocks gun> ...et spiritus sancti...

The Abstruse One

The Boondock Saints is one of the best movies ever made!
Overall I've bought five copies of it, two to lend out to friends and aquaintences who haven't seen it, one to keep for me to watch anytime I want, and two as christmas gifts for a friend and my Dad.

LOL. My brother (who loved the movie) likes to tease me about how I'm gonna pimp that movie 'till the day I die. :D
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post May 4 2004, 10:43 AM
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Too bad the sequel will never be made because the writer/director is a dick and pissed off the whole of Hollywood...but it's a very Shadowrun-styled film and the brothers are DEFINATELY gun adepts...

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