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post Oct 30 2013, 06:41 AM
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...as the game I've known since it's original release nearly a quarter century ago has apparently entered it's fifth incarnation it leads me to wonder if there is anyone out there like myself who still use 3rd ed. No "Ed Wars" here (I read the sticky), lets just say I have my reasons for sticking with 3rd, a good part of which revolves around the heavy investment I have in the various expansions and sourcebooks (as well as a huge pile of 6-siders sitting around collecting dust) and now meager income which precludes purchasing a whole new Shadowrun library .

That said just trying to see if there is anyone else out there from the pre-Crash2 era? Or have they all gone to the "Old Runners' Home" where they sit and reminisce about the days of The Corp Wars, SURGE, The Renraku Shutdown, and Shakeup in the TT while listening to recordings of some young Balkan refugee girl turned classical Novastar?
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post Oct 30 2013, 07:56 AM
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I play 3rd and 4th both. Not technically pre-crash though, but on a not entirely canonic timeline. I prefer 3rd too, but made my peace with 4th. Will stay off 5th, as it looks, because the rules have a couple more dealbreakers than I can tolerate. Pity really, there are some very good ideas in there, and then they ruin it because of a mix of ignorance, personal hate boners and dyscalculia.

And wasn't she an Aztlaner refugee?
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post Oct 30 2013, 10:50 AM
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Still running 3rd Ed here. Went through Legacy, Brainscan, had fun with YOTC, ran around in Cal-free lesson with Saito, and now going through Survival of the fittest. All very good times but, in a few months we will be jumping into 5th Ed.
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:07 AM
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Sorry, no. SR4A but we will start a short and timely limited SR3 session until the SR5-books will be published in german.
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:15 AM
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I wrapped up a long running SR3 game late last year with Harlequin's Back, could have kept going but with only 2 players left, and one of them leaving the state it seemed time to wrap it up. Once my brain edits out the fumbles and missteps, I'm probably going to remember it as the greatest game ever. Lot's of fun over the course of that game.

There are just things I like about SR3, some of them aren't even good things mechanically, just crazy psuedo-philosophical things. Attributes not adding to skill tests, because no ammount of 'natural ability' is making up for study, practice and training? Yeah, that's how it should be! Rigger3. I spent so much time with that book and hate it as much as I love it. LMSD damage, oh how I miss you and the time a strung out junkie in a cheap motel took down the street sam who thought she didn't need her armour to deal with him because he rolled well enough to inflict a deadly wound, that's right, not X HP worth, just DEADLY. I could play this edition forever. Mind you I'm probably in that position of having played enough and having enough houserules etc that my SR3 is different to everybody else's SR3, which has it's own appeal.

It's a pity I'll probably never get to play or even run it again, I think I've got a good handle on things now, lots of books, and more importantly I still have a character I never got to play. Never played 4th, but picked up 5th hoping I might be able to use the new shiny to get my new group to play Shadowrun, and there are some things I like in there. We'll see how that goes.
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post Oct 30 2013, 11:23 AM
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I used to play 3rd.
Now can only find people playing 4th and now 5th.
Currently playing 4th and 5th editions.
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post Oct 30 2013, 01:25 PM
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I used to play SR3 until SR4 was released, when our group moved. The standardization of target numbers in SR4 was MUCH better.

I currently play in a tabletop SR5 game, and I run an online PBP SR4 game. I would never go back to SR3.
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post Oct 30 2013, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Oct 30 2013, 01:41 AM) *
...as the game I've known since it's original release nearly a quarter century ago has apparently entered it's fifth incarnation it leads me to wonder if there is anyone out there like myself who still use 3rd ed. No "Ed Wars" here (I read the sticky), lets just say I have my reasons for sticking with 3rd, a good part of which revolves around the heavy investment I have in the various expansions and sourcebooks (as well as a huge pile of 6-siders sitting around collecting dust) and now meager income which precludes purchasing a whole new Shadowrun library .

That said just trying to see if there is anyone else out there from the pre-Crash2 era? Or have they all gone to the "Old Runners' Home" where they sit and reminisce about the days of The Corp Wars, SURGE, The Renraku Shutdown, and Shakeup in the TT while listening to recordings of some young Balkan refugee girl turned classical Novastar?


I still GM 3rd with houserules that've been brought in from 2e. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

4th pissed me off enough that I decided I was done buying SR books until 5e came out, and the 5e core book is damn near unplayable until the errata come out.
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post Oct 30 2013, 02:44 PM
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Which leads me back to my question in a related topic: does anybody know when the updated book will be released? The german version will not be published until the errata is done, because our books always include these updates. The release date should have been "middle of october", which is...as you see by yourself, is over.
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post Oct 30 2013, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Oct 30 2013, 09:44 AM) *
Which leads me back to my question in a related topic: does anybody know when the updated book will be released? The german version will not be published until the errata is done, because our books always include these updates. The release date should have been "middle of october", which is...as you see by yourself, is over.


The german version, from what I've heard in the Errata thread, is basically just getting the Missions hotfixes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

The second printing of the English SR5 is identical to the first, and the PDF. In theory, they -may- put errata in 3rd printing, but nobody official's talking about it.
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post Oct 30 2013, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Oct 30 2013, 08:41 AM) *
That said just trying to see if there is anyone else out there from the pre-Crash2 era?


~kinda raises hand~ I don't play that often these days, but whenever I do it's always a 3rd Edition game. Although I have a good deal of the 4(A)th Ed material I have never made the actual transition because neither I as GM (most of the time) nor my players could come to like the changes 4th Ed brought about in terms of fluff and world feeling despite the fact that overall the dice mechanics are in fact better in 4th.

And thanks to the behavior of certain people - one person in particular - that are involved with the current production of 5th Ed I have decided not to buy any of the new products of this particular line ... and so far I had no reason to doubt that decision - particularly after having had the opportunity to skim through the core rules and reading various threads on various different boards like this.
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post Oct 30 2013, 08:29 PM
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Loved 3e. Never switched to 4e because of the complete change in the mechanics.

Have moved to 5e because the old 3e Matrix is too unmanageable, and one of my new players really wanted to play a decker.

I have found that in general I like it - there are a few nuances that I don't like (grenades being one of them) - but those I just house rule (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 30 2013, 09:52 PM
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3 rd ED and still playing it. Lots of house rules and new stuff from play and 4th ED for colour,
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post Oct 30 2013, 10:17 PM
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3rd edition for me. Love it warts and all. It does what I want for Shadowrun better than the latest incarnations. Really tried hard to make SR4 work for me but after continuously having problems with it realized that the problem was the system not me.

If I'm not playing Sixth World (SR with the Dungeon World system) then I'm playing it with 3rd ed.
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post Nov 3 2013, 07:29 AM
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Well, you know this old fogey loves 3rd. Tried 4e but opted out of that entirely. We're making 5e characters now, and are a bit more impressed, but it's difficult for us to accept a non-modification of TNs mechanic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

All in all though, I'm thinking 5e is an improvement, and even though we still play 3e, I think our GM is working towards retiring the game (400ish karma each, personally at 510) and moving on to 5e as we play pupils from our current characters.
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post Nov 3 2013, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Oct 30 2013, 03:44 PM) *
The german version will not be published until the errata is done, because our books always include these updates.

Hate to break it to you, but the German book has been out since the Spiel Essen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

And keep in mind that what binarywraith heard in the errata thread (from me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) was based on maybe a dozen samples...they could have rewritten the entire magic chapter and I wouldn't have noticed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Anyway, back to topic: I still have a semi-regular 3rd Ed round. It's clunky, overdetailed and our GM insisted on priority gen, but like all clunky, overcomplicated oldies it has its charms.
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post Nov 3 2013, 06:22 PM
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Prefer 3e here myself(with a mix of all the old sourcebooks, since most of the gear books were well compatible.) Might actually be getting a 3e game going again soon!

I've nothing against the new ones(I think 5 is an improvement over 4), but 2e-3e will always remain the closest to my heart in terms of games I love.

(FWIW, we usually run around the 2050-2060 mark.)
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post Nov 3 2013, 08:18 PM
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I ran SR3 for a while. It was okay. The players were a good bunch and made it fun, despite the fact that most of them had never played. Otherwise, I was kind of meh about SR3. I didn't care much for the art, hated the explosive rules proliferation, and ultimately, it didn't fix the problems that caused me to burn out on SR2 (which were due in large part to rules proliferation... hmm.). I'd play SR3 again, but it wouldn't be my first choice, and I wouldn't want to run it.

If I got to choose, I'd either go back to SR2 (for nostalgia) or just play SR4/SR4A (which I actually enjoy). I'm grudgingly playing SR5, but only because it seems to be the only way I'm going to get to play a game in the foreseeable future.

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post Nov 4 2013, 03:46 PM
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3rd Edition forever! I've taken a few year hiatus for a new job and Eclipse Phase, but I still have the game 'open'. I run on RPoL, so finding players is easy. There are a ton of 3rd edition players looking for games.
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post Nov 5 2013, 08:57 AM
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I play 3rd ed. Not because I don't like 4th or 5th (didn't even read them yet) but because I bought nigh every shadowrun book existing and hence play the 2nd-ed 3rd ed storyplots with 3rd ed, and will move 4th when reaching that point, and move 5th when reaching 5th ed plots.
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post Nov 5 2013, 11:24 AM
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We just moved to 5th, i'm still stuck in 3rd in my head, mainly because I've played it for damn long i can't get out a 3rd ed dice brain.

missed 4th entirely, never once played a game or even started a character.

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post Nov 5 2013, 11:56 PM
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I like 3rd the best, and I'm in an on-again off-again game. Between the storyline, the mechanics, and the general feel, 2nd and 3rd appeal to me the most.
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post Nov 6 2013, 10:39 PM
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The SR3 matrix is why I'm never able to leave. SR4 has rules so bad my group laughs. We're looking at 5 now.
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post Nov 6 2013, 11:33 PM
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3rd is my prefrence. The emergence of 4th lost me and pushed me away from Shadowrun for a few years. 5th looks like it might be OK, but I'd most rather just go back and play 3rd.
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post Nov 8 2013, 03:01 PM
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It is still third for me. There wasn't anything I liked about the setting reboot to 4th and the rules system was way to abstract and quirky for my group. 5th is a lot better, but needs to get issues ironed out and I want to see where they're going with it before I commit much more money to it (I bought the .pdf and pre-ordered the intro box set). I never bought anything 4th edition.

For now when I get to play, 3rd edition is still what we play and what we own.
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