 Chainsaws in 5th edition. |
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  Feb 7 2014, 08:59 AM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300  |
As we all know there's always someone in the group entertaining the idea of grabbing a mono-filament chainsaw and going to town on everything in their paths. Lets face it, it's not really that different from the melee adept who's got a thing for katanas, and they're arguably the coolest if least versatile cyberhand available. In other words, they're groovy.
In spite of all this the rules for using chainsaws as a weapon in 5th are either obscure or simply non-existent. Reading the description gives us a base damage rating of 8P and requiring an exotic weapon skill, but that still leaves us with the question of Accuracy, Reach, and Armour Penetration. If I had to houserule it I'd go with something along the lines of 3 acc (It's unwieldy), 1 reach (Same as a sword), -4/-8 ap (First against people, second against drones and vehicles. It is designed to destroy stuff and breach barriers after all, and squidgy people would give it less consistent resistance which makes things harder.) Thoughts and suggestions? |
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Feb 7 2014, 11:46 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 16-September 09 From: Portland OR Member No.: 17,644 |
I'd also say if the wielding character stops and says "gibe me some sugar!" He gets +2 acc (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Feb 7 2014, 12:25 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 7 2014, 03:59 AM)  As we all know there's always someone in the group entertaining the idea of grabbing a mono-filament chainsaw and going to town on everything in their paths. Lets face it, it's not really that different from the melee adept who's got a thing for katanas, and they're arguably the coolest if least versatile cyberhand available. In other words, they're groovy. In spite of all this the rules for using chainsaws as a weapon in 5th are either obscure or simply non-existent. Reading the description gives us a base damage rating of 8P and requiring an exotic weapon skill, but that still leaves us with the question of Accuracy, Reach, and Armour Penetration. If I had to houserule it I'd go with something along the lines of 3 acc (It's unwieldy), 1 reach (Same as a sword), -4/-8 ap (First against people, second against drones and vehicles. It is designed to destroy stuff and breach barriers after all, and squidgy people would give it less consistent resistance which makes things harder.) Thoughts and suggestions? Um It gives the exact stats on page 448 Accuracy 3 Reach 1 Damage 8P - doubled against barriers to 16P Armor penetration -6 - against everything |
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Feb 7 2014, 12:35 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 7 2014, 08:25 PM) Um It gives the exact stats on page 448 Accuracy 3 Reach 1 Damage 8P - doubled against barriers to 16P Armor penetration -6 - against everything Well now I know, and knowing is half the battle. Gotta say I am impressed at how close my guess was. Any word on when we get stats for chainsaw hands? Those things are going to eat essence like there's no tomorrow but will be SO worth it! Edit: Huh. I'm not at all sure how I could have missed that, particularly as I was looking at that exact page when I wrote the OP. I'm calling it a critical glitch on my reading comprehension check. |
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Feb 7 2014, 12:44 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE Well now I know, and knowing is half the battle. The other Half is glorious Violence in all it's incarnations. |
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Feb 7 2014, 08:43 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 504 Joined: 8-November 05 From: North Vancouver, BC Member No.: 7,936 |
Is it bad I just imagined a Horizon action-Comedy-horror sim where a character has a cyber arm with a mono chainsaw attachment and a shotgun who hunts down shedim?
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Feb 7 2014, 09:00 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 |
QUOTE (Drace @ Feb 7 2014, 04:43 PM) Is it bad I just imagined a Horizon action-Comedy-horror sim where a character has a cyber arm with a mono chainsaw attachment and a shotgun who hunts down shedim? Have to ask Bull, I think he had a guest appearance in that one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Feb 8 2014, 05:46 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 7 2014, 05:35 AM) ... Any word on when we get stats for chainsaw hands? Those things are going to eat essence like there's no tomorrow but will be SO worth it! In an SR4a.5 campaign I'm running the team rigger has one of those. He has a modular obvious lower cyber arm, and one of the attachments has the monofilament chainsaw built into it, taking the entire capacity of the lower arm and hand, and is retractable like a cyber spur. Can't remember right off hand how much nuyen he paid for it. Maybe double the normal chainsaw cost.
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Feb 8 2014, 09:37 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Feb 8 2014, 01:46 PM) In an SR4a.5 campaign I'm running the team rigger has one of those. He has a modular obvious lower cyber arm, and one of the attachments has the monofilament chainsaw built into it, taking the entire capacity of the lower arm and hand, and is retractable like a cyber spur. Can't remember right off hand how much nuyen he paid for it. Maybe double the normal chainsaw cost. interesting. on a scale of 1 to 10 how awesome is it? |
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Feb 9 2014, 05:20 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
He's only used it twice thus far, and once to cleave a ghoul diagonally. A little hard to gauge right now.
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Feb 10 2014, 09:41 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 21-July 13 Member No.: 130,272 |
So, now we're just waiting for the cyberware book so we can plug it into a modular cyberarm or six, right?
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Feb 11 2014, 05:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 504 Joined: 8-November 05 From: North Vancouver, BC Member No.: 7,936 |
QUOTE (Supine @ Feb 10 2014, 05:41 AM) So, now we're just waiting for the cyberware book so we can plug it into a modular cyberarm or six, right? Chainsaw Goro? |
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Feb 11 2014, 05:15 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Supine @ Feb 11 2014, 10:06 AM) So, now we're just waiting for the cyberware book so we can plug it into a modular cyberarm or six, right? AS long as it is not a Chainsaw Winky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif) |
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Feb 11 2014, 06:32 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 7 2014, 07:44 AM) The other Half is glorious Violence in all it's incarnations. Actually its 25% red lasers and 25% blue lasers. |
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Feb 11 2014, 06:55 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Draco18s @ Feb 11 2014, 11:32 AM) Actually its 25% red lasers and 25% blue lasers. I far prefer the "Light Clear" variety. It is my favorite color after all... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Feb 11 2014, 10:25 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
Now that's sorted, I want to design a gun that shoots rabid polar bears with jetpacks at people. Why? Science!
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Feb 11 2014, 10:43 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 11 2014, 03:25 PM) Now that's sorted, I want to design a gun that shoots rabid polar bears with jetpacks at people. Why? Science! Rabid Polar Bears with Jetpacks... Can they have frickin' Laser Beams on their heads too? I'd buy that for a Dollar... |
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Feb 11 2014, 10:46 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 12 2014, 06:43 AM) Rabid Polar Bears with Jetpacks... Can they have frickin' Laser Beams on their heads too? I'd buy that for a Dollar... That works. I was going for multi-barreled flamethrowers implanted in their mouths, but laser beams work too. |
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Feb 11 2014, 11:06 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 11 2014, 03:46 PM) That works. I was going for multi-barreled flamethrowers implanted in their mouths, but laser beams work too. So... when can we have the Plushies? |
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Feb 11 2014, 11:10 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 12 2014, 07:06 AM) So... when can we have the Plushies? Soon, my friend... Soon... |
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Feb 11 2014, 11:14 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 11 2014, 04:10 PM) Soon, my friend... Soon... Oh... waiting for the Errata I bet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) |
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Feb 11 2014, 11:16 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Feb 12 2014, 07:14 AM) Oh... waiting for the Errata I bet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) 'Fraid so. |
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Feb 11 2014, 11:21 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 |
QUOTE (FuelDrop @ Feb 11 2014, 05:25 PM) Now that's sorted, I want to design a gun that shoots rabid polar bears with jetpacks at people. Why? Science! *cough* Panther Cannon II *cough* and of course the inevitable spin-off Chuck Shot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Granted not as heavy duty as your design... Send over a prototype when you need some field testing.. |
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Feb 12 2014, 03:53 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,192 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Texas - The RGV Member No.: 11,613 |
Remember hearing from one of the Murder Inc. killers from New York in the 70s talking about the one, and only, time they tried a chainsaw on someone. First off, it throws blood and bits of the body everywhere. Second, a chainsaw is a specially designed tool with a specific medium for use in mind. Flesh was not the medium of intent so you quickly get a ton of flesh chunks jammed into the teeth of the saw which quickly means that...Third, you're basically smacking people with a loud, unbalanced, whirling flesh sprayer as a blunt impact weapon for the three or so seconds of fun you get before it jams up tight. Similar stories abound when other criminals have tried other purpose-designed cutting power tools (circular saws, etc) are involved. They whir a bit, they cut a bit, they spray viscera all over the place, and promptly jam up tight until you fish the gook out of them. The one exception, since I know some wiseass will mention it, is a band saw (common in butchers shops) since the force of the blade rotating in the drum tends to fling the vicera free of the blade, but that meat is also drained of blood and typically refrigerated which makes it easier to cut.
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Feb 12 2014, 10:24 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 |
QUOTE (Sendaz @ Feb 12 2014, 07:21 AM) *cough* Panther Cannon II *cough* and of course the inevitable spin-off Chuck Shot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Granted not as heavy duty as your design... Send over a prototype when you need some field testing.. no can do. Customs has a thing about rabid fire-breathing flying polar bears. Can't think why. |
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