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[Prime Mover]

Iirc two dragons mentioned In Augmentation connected to Aztec and at least one other mentioned in 4thEd.
Big D it seems also had serious holdings in Aztec. Mr Darke and his horror servants seemed to serve interests in the company, but didnt seem controled by it.

[kirtimlak]

Now, the real question would be who taught Howling Coyote magic, and if the CIA had that someone assassinated in revenge.

Manitu? Had an idea of crossing SR and Deadlands long ago. Didn't work out.

[kirtimlak]

Blood Wood immortal elves for instance, or...

The "or..." part. Dzitbalchén set by Pobre not only for political, influence and national Mayan vs. Aztec reasons. That's too simple.
I like the idea of an unknown Great One)) The shadow inspirer of Mr. Darke, a two Ages old adversary of Dunk, maybe...

Thanks for the opinion and quote!

[Nath]

Now, the real question would be who taught Howling Coyote magic, and if the CIA had that someone assassinated in revenge.

The novel World Without End mentionned Thais, the supernatural, demi-Horror "son" of Aina, was in South Dakota in 1890 and met Wovoka, the shaman of the original Ghost Dance.

This suggests the author's intention either was that Thais taught Wovoka of the Paiute tribe a working magical techniques that somehow passed on to Daniel Coleman of the Ute tribe (while no one involved in its transmission could actually test it), or that Thais may have returned to find a new pupil.

Coleman evaded from Abilene in December 2011 only using "standard" magic. The first use of big magic attributed to the SAIM is Redondo Peak eruption in June 2014, followed by a communique in which Coleman mentions the Ghost Dance. IMO, it is a likely scenario that Coleman awakened as a shaman and learned spells from his Coyote totem at first, evaded and took the head of the SAIM, and only then someone, supposedly Thais, saw the opportunity and came to teach him blood magic and the Ghost Dance.

[hermit]

Now, the real question would be who taught Howling Coyote magic, and if the CIA had that someone assassinated in revenge.

The CIA didn't assassinate them. It was the Free Marine Corps.

I'm pretty sure there was a corrupted great in Earthdawn already...

The Despoiler was killed in a Red Brick supplement though.

[kirtimlak]

The Despoiler was killed in a Red Brick supplement though.

that sort of spoils my theory((

[kirtimlak]

The CIA didn't assassinate them. It was the Free Marine Corps.

Ah! That's wgat they are talking about in Aztlan 2nd! But what IS this Corp? In a few words, if you please.

[kirtimlak]

The novel World Without End mentionned Thais, the supernatural, demi-Horror "son" of Aina, was in South Dakota in 1890 and met Wovoka, the shaman of the original Ghost Dance.

This suggests the author's intention either was that Thais taught Wovoka of the Paiute tribe a working magical techniques that somehow passed on to Daniel Coleman of the Ute tribe (while no one involved in its transmission could actually test it), or that Thais may have returned to find a new pupil.

Coleman evaded from Abilene in December 2011 only using "standard" magic. The first use of big magic attributed to the SAIM is Redondo Peak eruption in June 2014, followed by a communique in which Coleman mentions the Ghost Dance. IMO, it is a likely scenario that Coleman awakened as a shaman and learned spells from his Coyote totem at first, evaded and took the head of the SAIM, and only then someone, supposedly Thais, saw the opportunity and came to teach him blood magic and the Ghost Dance.

Weekend of revelations! Thanks. It didn't make any sense to me: the GGD was held by Howling Coyote but Frosty wished they had killed Coleman.

[Beaumis]

The CIA didn't assassinate them. It was the Free Marine Corps.


The Despoiler was killed in a Red Brick supplement though.

Barsaive at War was published in 2000. Atzlan was published in 1995. The original comments could in fact refer to Vestrivan. At that point, he was, supposedly, alive.

I do agree that Thais seems a more likely culprit though. He is part horror, matches the description and should be off the radar of most people involved in that discussion, with the exception of Harlequin.

[Demonseed Elite]

Vestrivian the Despoiler's body was never recovered though, so proof of his demise is elusive. He flew into a Horror Cloud in Barsaive at War and vanished.

The Aztlan chapter of Shadows of Latin America (which I wrote and can be found in the link in my signature) made some references along this line of discussion.

[kirtimlak]

Vestrivian the Despoiler's body was never recovered though, so proof of his demise is elusive. He flew into a Horror Cloud in Barsaive at War and vanished.

The Aztlan chapter of Shadows of Latin America (which I wrote and can be found in the link in my signature) made some references along this line of discussion.

Makes sense.

I have not read SoLA thoroughly, now i'll deffinitely will. It's a pity it was left to be an "apocryph".

[bannockburn]

Vestrivian the Despoiler's body was never recovered though, so proof of his demise is elusive. He flew into a Horror Cloud in Barsaive at War and vanished.

He's also (possibly) mentioned in SoA, 2005:

> I was the only survivor of a smuggling ship that wandered into a mana storm’s path. We were offshore from the Crimea when it engulfed us. I saw many terrors that drove my shipmates insane, but the worst of it was the thing that came at me before I blacked out. I don’t know if it was a dragon, a monster or a demon from the depths of Hell, but it spoke incomprehensible words to me that are seared—seared!—into my memory.
> Boatswift

> Surely it’s not the Despoiler he sees?
> Miss Tick

> If it is, then let Sunset Blossom take care of him. Her mess, her responsibility.
> Feng Xiansheng

On the topic of Aztlan's supposed great corrupted dragon:
It's been alluded to there being different kinds of blood magic, some horrifically evil, others less so (such as the Amazonia and possibly Tír Tairngire reforestation), though not without debate about it. I seem to remember from somewhere that feathered serpents are the foremost (or only) users among dragonkind, but I can't for the life cite a source.
A corrupted dragon could simply mean a dragon who is using blood magic, because it carries a stigma. As Vestrivan is a western dragon, I would doubt that he is who Dunkelzahn is alluding to.
Instead it could be an as yet unnamed great dragon who's in cahoots with the evil parts of Aztlan's government.

Unfortunately, I'm also pretty convinced that this particular storyline is wholly abandoned.

[Sendaz]

You know for all the power and wisdom these ancients possess, they sure do love to pass the buck whenever possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Fatum]

You know for all the power and wisdom these ancients possess, they sure do love to pass the buck whenever possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

this is how we know they possess the wisdom and the power. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Sengir]

The Despoiler was killed in a Red Brick supplement though.

I'll take your word for it, but since this was after ED stopped being with FASA, it would no longer have been Shadowrun's 4th world at that point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

But what IS this Corp? In a few words, if you please.

An amalgamation of fanwankery describing soldiers who are so invincible and patriotic and well-endowed and pure of heart and [...] that reading anything related to it causes severe cerebral damage from head-to-desk syndrome.

[Sendaz]

An amalgamation of fanwankery describing soldiers who are so invincible and patriotic and well-endowed and pure of heart and [...] that reading anything related to it causes severe cerebral damage from head-to-desk syndrome.

When any organization gets a glowing review from Kane, you know you should be reaching for the salt shaker. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[hermit]

When any organization gets a glowing review from Kane, you know you should be reaching for the salt shaker..

You have forgotten stormfront, have you? Not that I blame you. It's easier that way.

> If it is, then let Sunset Blossom take care of him. Her mess, her responsibility.
> Feng Xiansheng

Ah right, I wondered about that when I read SoLA. So no body was found, and he is still alive (possibly). Anyone got an idea who this Sunset Blossom is, and why is this her mess?

[bannockburn]

I'm more interested in who Feng Xiansheng is, TBH. Miss Tick is pretty clear.

And it's ambiguous enough so that (s)he may be talking not about the despoiler, but rather this Boatswift person.
After all, the incomprehensible words are seared into their memory. Horror mark anyone? This may be a call to liquidate Boatswift. And in this light, one could surmise that Sunset Blossom may be Arleesh, since she's known to destroy things connected to the Horrors.

[hermit]

Hm. Arleesh makes sense in that context. Miss Tick is one of Alachia's troll the mortals accounts. Isn't Feng soneone from Shaanxi?

[Nath]

I'll take your word for it, but since this was after ED stopped being with FASA, it would no longer have been Shadowrun's 4th world at that point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I don't care, SR stopped being with FASA since Year of the Comet, so it's no longer Earthdawn's Sixth World at that point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Ryu]

I'm more interested in who Feng Xiansheng is, TBH. Miss Tick is pretty clear.

And it's ambiguous enough so that (s)he may be talking not about the despoiler, but rather this Boatswift person.
After all, the incomprehensible words are seared into their memory. Horror mark anyone? This may be a call to liquidate Boatswift. And in this light, one could surmise that Sunset Blossom may be Arleesh, since she's known to destroy things connected to the Horrors.

Feng Xiansheng seems to point to Lung: Crimsondudes Post

[bannockburn]

Would have been my guess, too, considering the general subject.

[Demonseed Elite]

Anyone got an idea who this Sunset Blossom is, and why is this her mess?

Mmhm, I have an idea who Sunset Blossom is. It touches on Earthdawn references I made in writing I did for Shadowrun that I don't think the Dumpshock conspiracy theorists have ever connected. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Demonseed Elite]

Let me be less of a tease. Here's a hint to get the ball rolling.

She towers over other Tibetan women and is strikingly beautiful, with her black hair tied back in a single long braid and unusual eyes that are the color of the bronze monastery bells.

She's tall for a human, larger than most of us--a giant compared to the little Cathay folk. She's got hair as black as jet and strange yellow-bronze eyes that don't blink more than once a minute. Unsettling.

There are many more connections and hints, mostly found in Shadows of Asia, The Ork Nation of Cara Fahd, Barsaive at War, and the revised release of Earthdawn's Dragons sourcebook.

[bannockburn]

Dvilgaynon, then?