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> Reinventing the Bumblebee, tiny death from the skies
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post May 4 2004, 08:32 PM
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In Renraku Arcology: Shutdown there are many extremely nasty drones to make any player's life a living Hell. Few, however, inspire as much abject terror as the Bumblebee drone. Tiny, extremely difficult to detect, utterly lethal.

Back it up four years to 2055. If an enterprising Rigger (or rather, some company that said Rigger would then do business with) wanted to create a Body 0 UAV designed to fly to targets and then inject them with some nasty substance (nothing near the beautiful lethality of the heat-generating nanites, of course), how would one best simulate this with the vehicle-creation rules? How would one handle the actual injection? What would be a good compound to inject?

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post May 4 2004, 08:35 PM
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Assuming Rigger 3 chassis were available in 2055, it'd just be a Micro Rotor UAV with a syringe mounted on it (which shouldn't even take up a firmpoint). Drone/Piloting Skill would be used to deliver the toxin by "ramming" the target, though it would most likely leave the drone in bad shape.

In essence it would just be a "smart" Narcojet round.
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post May 4 2004, 08:57 PM
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I'm not sure 2055 SOTA allowed the creation of micro-drones. I believe they only really took off during the shutdown period, specifically because Deus was able to push the SOTA and create what was previously impossible (or greatly impracticle)
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post May 4 2004, 09:19 PM
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So there weren't any microdrones listed in the previous Rigger books?

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post May 4 2004, 09:19 PM
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Eh, we have "Body 0" RC rotorcraft today. I can't imagine it requiring much space to add a little extra circuitry (the drone pilot) and ducttape a syringe to it.
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post May 4 2004, 09:25 PM
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My thinking is that there just won't be anything quite as tiny and insect-like 'till Deus starts playing.

Any thoughts on cost or compound?

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post May 5 2004, 02:15 AM
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There are hints that these kinds of drones were made possible my Deus' advanced nanotechnology breakthroughs. M&M says that nanotech was kinda of a sleeping field until Deus shook it up good. So nanotech compounds would be very, very expensive to make, since you gotta make the nanites to make the compounds...
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post May 5 2004, 02:23 AM
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Sure, for the nanites the Bumblebees delivered. But the drone itself wasn't anything fantastic; just a little smaller and quieter than what most anyone else could've done if they really wanted to.
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post May 5 2004, 04:43 AM
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All the finicky bits of drones are made by nanites, according to M&M. Microcircuitry and such. So you'd have to have one hell of a magnifying lens to make your standard cebot...
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post May 5 2004, 04:49 AM
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New Flaw: Super-microvision (-4)
You're vision is focused to the level of nanotechnology. +2 to work with nanotechnology. +6 to do anything else.
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post May 5 2004, 05:07 AM
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You either mean -2 or +2 dice, I am not sure which.
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post May 5 2004, 06:51 AM
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Just as a side note, didn't the substance that the bubblebees inject you with change from heat generating to cutters? Also could they like only fly for 5 minutes or something?
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post May 5 2004, 08:44 AM
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I think Brainscan kept them as heat generating but suggested the GM treat them like Cutters.

IRL I'd think it would be quite hard to find a suitable heat source - heat is actually a pretty inefficient way of damaging the human body, energy wise, and I don't know that a nano scale machine could generate enough to do much harm unless it was packing a very unusual compound...
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post May 5 2004, 03:02 PM
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just remeber that a 41c fever will kill you and you will see that they dont need to generate that mutch heat to kill...
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post May 5 2004, 04:22 PM
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They heat a human from normal body temperature to about 108f. I'll do the math when I get back to see exactly how much transfer that probably is.

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post May 5 2004, 04:39 PM
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I figured it's in the order of 1 Megajoule (250 kcal), perhaps slightly more, for a 70kg human (5 kelvin temperature raise for 50kg of water).

So, uhh, to get that heat in under 100 seconds, you'd need an electric heater of at least 10,000 Watts @ 100% efficiency. Which would be about a cubic meter in size with current technology?

Physics is fun when you don't understand it.
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post May 5 2004, 04:52 PM
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I always thought they forced the body to overheat itself... not that they actually did the heating.

Much more insidious that way anyway.
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post May 5 2004, 05:05 PM
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I thought there was a revision of the way those worked and they were retoriacively changed to be cutter nanites, as the raising a body temperature thing was expressly forbidden for nanites to do in a later book.
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post May 5 2004, 05:34 PM
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What later book?

The heat increase thing is altogether too cool, so if all else fails the nanites in my game will deliver some chemical, carcerand-style, that reacts exothermically to cause the same effect. Perhaps no more possible, but at least more plausible.

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post May 5 2004, 05:42 PM
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I was pretty sure it was explicitly listed under things in Man and Machine that nanite flat out cannot do. I'm at work now, I cna check it when I get home...
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post May 5 2004, 06:02 PM
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Stop the sweat glands and start twitching all the muscles. Internal body temp will increase quickly.
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post May 5 2004, 06:08 PM
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If they can twitch muscles, just get them to the heart, diaphragm, or simply the guy's back muscles, and turn on Full Seizure Mode. Death through heart failure, asphyxiation, or breaking your own spine into bits.

In the heart, even twitching could easily result in death.
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post May 5 2004, 06:15 PM
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Identifying the heart, though, would take more work than causing general twitching.

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post May 5 2004, 06:17 PM
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If it soaks itself to muscles through the walls of veins, it will automatically find its way into the heart -- or at least part of it will. And when the nanobots start twitching everything, your heart is in on the action. Excruciating pain, insane pulse, followed by flatlining and loss of consciousness in short order.
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post May 5 2004, 06:42 PM
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That seems consistent with Eagle's final moments in RA:S after getting stung.

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