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[CardboardArmor]

Hehehe. That's a pretty cool take on a character. I approve of the lack of katana.

[LoseAsDirected]

I'm of the opinion that there is no such thing as 'good anime'..

And I've seen it all.. I've got a bunch of otaku friends, and they've forced me to watch all the 'good stuff'.. I wanted to vomitted the whole time I was subjected to Battle Royal. Evanglion? It made me want to stab my ears out..

[FXcalibur]

If I may, those seem like pretty mainstream ones. I won't recommend any animes, but like all forms of media, there's always the silent wonders and cult hits, which might more fit your idea of good animation.

Anime is quite diverse. Some never gets brought over from Japan, those that do tend to be on the mainstream side, which might not be your cup of tea.

Incidentally, sometimes when I read cyberpunk and people tell me the world is japanified, I seriously can't see any japanese influence. Not a drip of manga culture anywhere, just mohawks and yen.

[Abstruse]

Gunbunnies generally don't pull huge guns from nowhere, they just have dozens upon dozens of handguns and reloads stashed everywhere...or if you're Minnie Mae, grenades and plastique. Magical Girls rarely use guns, just their magical powers. Sometimes they'll use a single melee-type weapon or bow and arrow though (Chinese-style sword or katana, large axe, etc).

It's the heroines of Shonen action/romance manga/anime who pull huge crap out of nowhere...usually microphones/bullhorns when yelling insults or large mallots when the hero does/says something stupid and/or gets into a compromising position of some sort.

BTW, Battle Royale isn't anime, it's a live-action movie. The book is much better, sort of a Lord of the Flies meets 1984 And you might like stuff like Cowboy Bebop, Battle Angel Alita, and Ghost in the Shell as they're all at least marginally cyberpunk and are generally serious in tone. And I DARE you to watch Grave of the Fireflies without crying by the end. Anytime I take shit from someone for watching anime, I get them to watch that. Sure, it won't turn you into an instant anime fan, but I've yet to find anyone who wasn't moved enough by that film to not bother me the next time I spend $30 on a DVD of a "cartoon".

The Abstruse One

[LoseAsDirected]

[Abstruse]

Watch Subtitled anime. Don't even bother with dubs. With only a few minor exceptions, dubs are all horrible.

The Abstruse One

[LoseAsDirected]

Meh.. Even the subs I've watched didn't impress me.. And, again, my friends are some pretty big freakin' otaku.. I've been sujected to tons of this garbage.. I didn't like any of it.. I will admit, the subs didn't suffer from the horrible dialogue, but I still wanted to stab my eyes out while I was watching it, making it difficult to be bothered to read the subtitles.

Believe me, I've tried.. I've really tried to get into anime.. The closest thing to a decent anime that I've seen so far was Akira. I actually liked that one.. But the style of it wasn't as bad as most anime.. Apart from that exception, I've never been able to enjoy anime.. I just loathe it. Sorry, but that's a fact.

[FXcalibur]

[Cray74]

[FXcalibur]

Yep. They're called Shojo Mallets. It's a cliche.

[Thistledown]

Ech. Akira's got to be one of the worst animes I've seen. And I've probably seen about 30 series all the way through, another dozen or so movies, and parts of another 20 series at least.

[hobgoblin]

anime comes in all shapes and sizes, thats true. and the simple lines and big eyes are part of the style mostly (alltho there are some manga (ie comics) that have a more realistic drawing style). personaly when im watching anime (or action movies for that matter) i just disconnect my sense of realism. they are made to be an escape form real life, nothing more nothing less...

[Raptor1033]

mmm planescape: torment, one of the best games of all time. and anachronox, used a dated graphics engine so almost everyone dismissed it but was a fantastic game. also one of my top 10.

[Garland]

Please allow me to suggest Jin-Roh. It's considerably more "realistic" in artistic style than most, so that may assuage at least one of your complaints. The plot is pretty down-to-earth, and deadly serious. And the music is great.

[Fahr]

I have liked, Ruroni kenshin, though sometimes ridiculous, it is a good story, Gasaraki if you want a near future that can be startelingly like out own I liked that... Cowboy Bebop is good, though I have yet to see all of it. I really like myazaki, Mononoke Hime, Spirited away, Castle in the sky... good films.

the truth is if your freinds are watching only the super-deformed anime, I could understand not liking it, but there is good thought provoking anime out there, if you look.

-mike R.

[Kagetenshi]

Battle Angel, Grave of the Fireflies, Memories, Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Kite… I definitely think you're just not watching the right stuff.

Rurouni Kenshin was good in the first season, amazing in the second season, and lame descending into bad in the third season. The OVAs, on the other hand, were awe-inspiring.

At some point I need to finish making that Battle Angel/Shadowrun conversion that I'd been toying with the idea of for a while…

~J

[Garland]

Oh, Gasaraki, absolutely! A more-realistic mecha anime. A little too close to reality, actually, what with the US invasion of a mid-east country over suspected WMD, corporate manipulation, and resurgent Japanese nationalism. The whole thing was really kind of subversive on that last matter. Pretty interesting, considering it predates certain real-world events.

[Large Mike]

Well, since the subject is already completely off-topic, I might as well throw in my two cents before it gets shut down. Speaking as an anti-otaku, I can appreciate that you guys think anime is the be all and end all, or very awesome at least, but seriously, some people, like myself and, apparently, Lose, just hate it. Forcing us to watch more and more and more in order to try and change our minds is not only aggrevating, but doesn't work. As a matter of fact, it merely confirms that we don't like anime.

I, also, have been subjected to lots and lots of anime, and the only thing I've ever even remotly enjoyed wasn't even anime, it was Blade of the Immortal. And yes, I'm quite aware that you can name ten anime I would 'obviously' enjoy if Blade didn't make me vomit, but it ain't happening. So please, stop with the attempted conversions. You'd think it was a religion you guys were trying to force on us or something.

[Erebus]

To keep this to Shadowrun styled cyberpunk esque discussion:

I second the Jin-Roh suggestion. And lets not forget Ghost in the Shell, Blood, Metropolis, X, Lain, or Helsing.

On a lighter note: Dragon-Half (sorta half modern/half fantasy) but funny as hell.

I honestly don't think any of them count as Magical Girl though... maybe Lain?

[A Clockwork Lime]

I'm not a big fan of anime, either. At least not the "real" anime most people rave on about. I find most of it largely pretentious and boring, which for some reason translates as "cool" to some people. I feel exactly the same way about the Goth genre, too.

Now I can handle movies like Spirited Away, mostly because I'm a big fan of mythologies. But flicks like Ghost in the Shell and stuff like that? Major snoozefest.

[Fahr]

no, I just hate any "all (insert category) are bad" comments, I would defend Rap the same way I do anime, even though I personally don't like most rap. it's an aversion to extreme categorization that I don't like.

Alita is awesome Kagetenshi... though I liked the Manga more than the adaption.

for it's right twisted nature, I also love Vapmire Princess Miyu. it's pretty strange, and has some pretty magical girl influence in a very warped way...

and for one no one has probably ever heard of but I really enjoyed (even though the animation was not that good, the story was very good) Rose of Versaille.

not trying to convert anyone, just sharing suggestions.

I too have tried to adapt alita like stuff to SR, it is not too far fetched. the manga even has pchycometry and stuff like that too (bolt soldiers are just a scary concept!)

-Mike R.

[Garland]

I don't recall busting down anyone's door (or reaching through the computer screen) to "force" anime on them. I merely made a suggestion. Anyone who doesn't like anime (and is on this thread anyway, strangely enough) can take it or leave it. I respect your biases on the subject, you respect mine.

[FXcalibur]

I don't believe anyone is forcing you to do anything. We simply think you've been watching the wrong stuff and trying to suggest what you might like.

Of course, anime doesn't appeal to everyone, so if you're so dead set on not liking it, you're not going to listen to us anyway :D

There are many subjects which people hate even though they've only scratched the surface. Take furries for example, there are people who immediately scream ZOMG FURRY when an RPG has a logical reason for including them as races (I dunno, historical and mythical intepretations?). It's true that there are many furry-things that exist for the sake of nothing else but being cute and/or immoral, and unfortunately, this 'bad side' gets more attention, so anything involving animal humanoids such people see after that is gonna get the shun tag because they're already seen the bad side and really don't like what they see, and aren't open to anything else because they think the bad side traits will be prevalent in every furry.

And then there are those who simply don't like the idea, bad side or not. Could be a belief thing, or just personal disgust for whatever reason. Unfortunately that's because all of us have an opinion on things, one man's trash may be another man's lunch and all that.

I suppose the former is what we think you guys are, which is why we're trying to show you the good side (remember, we're still not forcing you :) ). If you're the latter, then, well, can't be helped, hmm? 8)

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