 Shadows of Europe - Not Out Yet |
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 Oct 8 2003, 12:34 AM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 31-July 03 Member No.: 5,185  |
The Balkans are missing from SoE too. Any idea when or if we will see some material for Eastern Europe and the Balkans?
Any dates set yet for the release? |
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Oct 8 2003, 08:09 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
We're considering some possibilities regarding the Balkans, I'll be posting when I know more.
It was a conscious decision to leave out most of Greece, Eastern Europe and Russia from SoE simply because there would not have been enough space to do the region justice. However there should be a section giving a (very brief) rundown of areas neighboring the new NEEC. |
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Oct 8 2003, 11:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
Not mentioning the map of Europe.
Even if some areas don't have a written part in the book, most of them will have canon borders and some "name droppings" on the main map. |
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Oct 8 2003, 11:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Still no word yet Hot Wheels. Talk about tension huh? But we reckon that the wait will be worth it. But then I would say that 'cos I'm bias. The biggest pity was that due to wordcount limitations we couldn't squeeze everything we wanted into the book - like Greece for instance. But then there's plans for that in the future and it'll likely get a bigger and better place than we could have given it in SoE.
There goes my optimist chip again... ;) But don't just take my word for how great this book is - preorder your copy today and don't forget to tell Rob how great he is for getting it out there. |
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Oct 8 2003, 11:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Psst Synner, that should help our next project proposal - you think they bought it?
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Oct 8 2003, 11:58 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Gentlemen, enough with the teasers. Let's try to withhold any further comments until SoE gets a final date.
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Oct 8 2003, 12:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
I thought it had a final date- but it was some time last summer?
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Oct 8 2003, 12:56 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
No. There was no final date, especially not last summer.
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Oct 8 2003, 04:10 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
Actually, I do believe it was advertised in the cons that SoE would be released for GenCon 2003 (something like end of july, I'm sorry I don't remember the date).
But, I'm far from lots of things here in Asia, so I may be wrong. |
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Oct 10 2003, 05:23 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
As I remember, the intent had been to release SoE by GenCon this year. That's still not a final date, however. "Final dates," as I would understand them personally, would be an announcement that it's gone to print, and should be in stores by [general week of x month].
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Oct 10 2003, 08:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
That would be the actual date, after the endless delays and foul-ups have made the original release date into a Dilbert strip about professionalism and efficiency.
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Oct 11 2003, 03:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
I can't let that pass without reacting.
The final drafts have been delivered to Rob in august IIRC, but until the beginning of july, we were all working very hard on it, until everyone saw that we were not going to make it, and that it was better not rush things and have a good book. After that, I have to remind everyone that FanPro US is a one-man-office. And the honest thing to say is that most texts we delivered were over wordcount allowances (an average of 15% more than planned) and, as no native writers, the editing work seems to be very tricky, a long process (which is not finished at the time I write this) involving lots of rewriting. If you want to blame someone about the delays, blame me, not Rob. |
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Oct 11 2003, 04:33 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Goettingen Member No.: 1,094 |
Last thing I heard was end of November/early December...
:nuyen: |
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Oct 12 2003, 05:44 PM
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the Coke in the Machine Group: Retired Admins Posts: 128 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Cascadia Member No.: 46 |
Sorry, I forgot. WHat are YOUR qualifications about coordinating a multinational writing effort with more than 10 writers, delivering a 80,000 words book, editing it, making sure that the sections are consistent in tone, structure and language, providing the art (oh yeah, I always forget the dozen of artists involved) and managing the whole operation from the administrative side? Just send your updated resume to FanPro and I'm sure Rob will take exactly 2 seconds to give you a call and hire you on the spot. |
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 Oct 12 2003, 05:59 PM
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The Sewer Jockey Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 857 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kent, United Kingdom Member No.: 1,197 |
you forgot - [/sarcasm] ;)
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Oct 13 2003, 04:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 1-September 02 From: France Member No.: 3,208 |
We wait for quality, not rush. If SoE has to be delayed to get it straight, so be it. I only hope it won't delay the others sourcebooks, but ...
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Oct 14 2003, 12:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
When it goes on too long, after a while the anticipation stops feeling good, gets boring, then starts to hurt! |
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Oct 14 2003, 01:07 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Believe me, this is clearly a case of it hurts me more than it does you...
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Oct 15 2003, 03:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Gosh, you guys sure can get cranky with me about the things you screw up.
The fact remains. DotSW was late by months. SOE is late by months. SONA was late by a month if I remember correctly. T:AW was late. Was SSG on time? I don't remember. The fact remains that FanPro misses most of its release dates by a wide margin. Go ahead and complain about the complexity of the operation. Go ahead and complain about the number of people working for you. Go ahead and complain about the pressure. Your dog is sick, you've got swimmer's ear. But you're still late. After the first two or three books missed their release dates, why didn't you say to yourselves, "Selves, it looks like a book takes longer to complete than we thought...so, next time, instead of giving ourselves six months, we'll give ourselves nine." You see, I'm not asking for a rush job, I'm just asking for the release date to match the day (the month!) the book arrives at my local shop. A large number of writers each tackling a different section, should make it go faster through parallel effort. Smith writes chapter 1 while Jones writes chapter 2 while Doe writes chapter 3, and primary writing gets finished quicker. Then an editor or two goes over the book to make sure everything fits together, a few small revisions are made, and the book is done. How do *you* organize it? If you're writers can't put together fifteen or twenty pages inside of two months, they're incompetent and should be replaced. If your printer takes three months to get their job done, they're incompetent and should be replaced. I love the game! I buy the books! I'm standing here, money in my hand, eager to buy! Here's the demand! Make with the supply! Act like real company that wants to do real business! |
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Oct 15 2003, 03:42 PM
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The Sewer Jockey Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 857 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Kent, United Kingdom Member No.: 1,197 |
Why can't you just accept it and shut the f**k up?
Edit: Re-worked expletive... This post has been edited by Drain Brain: Oct 15 2003, 03:43 PM |
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Oct 15 2003, 03:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 26-February 02 From: The freelancer crackhouse Member No.: 119 |
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Oct 15 2003, 08:46 PM
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Not Cameron Diaz Group: Retired Admins Posts: 472 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Newark, Delaware Member No.: 188 |
So, what would be your recommendation regarding primadonnas? In your professional opinion, that is. |
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Oct 15 2003, 09:32 PM
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Token Antipodean Geek Chick Group: Retired Admins Posts: 37 Joined: 26-February 02 From: BNE/.au Member No.: 65 |
Why are you not saying this to FanPro? We're not FanPro. Dumpshock is not FanPro; the Forum moderating team is not FanPro; the freelancers here are not FanPro. The closest to "FanPro" we come are Adam and Pistons, who coordinate the website and magazine content respectively, and both of those are limited positions with no scope to affect anything else within FanPro. Simply put: we can't do anything about the release dates, short of turning our drafts in on time. Everyone here knows your position and opinions on FanPro's timeliness, so restating them probably won't earn you anything except higher blood pressure. |
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Oct 16 2003, 03:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 379 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Earth Member No.: 1,274 |
Hey. Hold the flame there Zen Shooter01. You're upset that the book's late on the offered release dates. Fine. But don't go slagging off he guys and gals who're working to keep your favourite game alive. Sure that its annoying. But its no reason to give such verbal out on a public board. Take a look over on the Louge thread and see what happened there. Wnat the same to happen here? Or to the whole SR line? No. Neither do I. Now, take a deep calming breath and take a look at the situation from the writer's, editor's and publisher's perspective. They've got a hard enough job to do without added presure like this. Take it from me - it ain't an easy thing to get a book written and published. At least not to the high standards we all expect from Shadowrun products. (Especially when many of SoE's writers are not native English speakers and need more time in the editing processes) So, please have patience. These people have been releasing SR products regularly for several years since FASA's demise and the line is still going strong. That says something about their dedication to the hobby and competence if nothing else. Have faith, it'll be there and be worthy of the efforts so many of us have laboured long and hard to put into our hobby. - BIG BAD BEESTE. (Being a professional as an ameteur writer can be) |
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Oct 17 2003, 08:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 138 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Paris, France Member No.: 639 |
It seems that you think that Fanpro has plenty of money to employ a full time editor just for SoE. You're wrong. The people in Fanpro involved in SoE are simultaneously involved in other activities like GenCon, RatCon, other products, administrative stuff and so on. You want Fanpro to make quality products in time? You're talking about a real company that wants to make real business. Then would you agree to pay for that? I don't think so. Or if you do, most people won't. So accept the fact that Fanpro is only a small company dedicated to make your favorite game alive and kicking, not a multinational company that swims in money. And be thankful of the number of products delivered, because all countries can't have this luck (in France, this year only 2 SR books will probably be translated into French, non-English speaking French people lack something like 10 3rd Ed. books). |
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